I never noticed that, lol.
I guess I have too much money in the game
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The Dream World, on the other hand, is confirmed to be part of BW and BW2 canon, as shown by Amanita and Fennel's tinkering with the Dream World aspect in BW. But the minigames on Global Link aren't, since that is just for interactivity with other players.
I see that the events involving Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in Platinum trump the ones involving them in Diamond and Pearl. However, if it weren't for the fact that events that happen in Diamond and Pearl but don't happen in Platinum are also considered to be canon, then what evidence would there be that DPP takes place at roughly the same time as HG/SS?As for all that other stuff, Diamond and Pearl are confirmed to be non-canon, meaning that what really happened was the event in Platinum where Cyrus summoned both dragons and Giratina interfered.
In the same vein as the DPP canon question, I believe Emerald's events involving Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza trump those of Ruby and Sapphire, and that Kyogre appears in Sapphire and Groudon appears in Ruby solely for interactivity promotion. Same thing with the Kyogre and Groudon that appear in HG/SS.Ruby and Sapphire, while not necessarily non-canon, are generally presumed to be so due to Emerald's improved storyline, though I prefer to think that RS are the canonical installments and that Ruby ties into the Black timeline while Sapphire ties into the White timeline, hence why Kyogre appears in HG (which also corresponds to the Black timeline) because the Groudon in that reality has already been dealt with; also, the differences alone (Groudon appearing at the Cave in the Black timeline and Kyogre appearing at the Cave in the White timeline) can be attributed to the divergence in history (i.e. which brother had more influence).
I agree that the concept itself isn't too difficult to comprehend, but the difficulty of believing the concept is another thing entirely. On one end, what you propose explains most version-exclusive events, but on the other end, accepting that there are multiple "dimensions" of Pokémon and that each game is a part of only one of the two dimensions is hard.It's not that difficult of a concept.
In one timeline (FR -> HG -> Platinum -> Black -> B2; whenever Ruby takes place), the Zekrom brother has more influence which causes certain things to happen one way, while in the other timeline (LG -> SS -> Platinum -> White -> W2; whenever Sapphire takes place), the Reshiram brother's influence causes things to happen another way. It's just two branches of a timeline; differences in their respective histories.
Regarding player character choice in DPP and HG/SS, wouldn't that mean what you say are the two timelines actually split into two more realities? In DPP, the unpicked player character is Prof. Rowan's assistant, whereas in HG/SS, the unpicked player character is the one with the Marill. Though these are much less significant than the difference between Reshiram and Zekrom's influences, they are still differences nonetheless.
Wailord only weighs 800-900 lbs... A lot of the weights for Pokemon dont seem right. Ever. Like Steelix weighs only 881 lbs.... Anyone else find this odd?
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The question of whether or not the words of one person are as reliable as those of an entire TV program is irrelevant. But still, does Platinum's Red Gyarados mention say anything about it being the exact same Gyarados as the one that the HG/SS player character encounters?I assume you're talking about the Red Gyarados and I'm tempted not to go there since I know you've brought up the "what if it's not the same Gyarados" point in the other thread, but regardless, the Red Gyarados is mentioned in Platinum as well, just later on in the game. So we can still assume it takes place concurrently with HGSS.
Part of the fun of determining what is canon comes from the fact that not everything is explicitly stated. :PIf you want to believe that, then cool. I don't. I like to think that it's part of the story.
Another part of the fun of determining what is canon is trying to balance between credibility and the end result. In my opinion, what you propose with the alternate-reality thing isn't that credible, but what you get at the end is a pretty exciting story of what actually happens in the games; what I propose with the lack of alternate-reality seems more believable, but doesn't pack quite as much a punch as yours otherwise would. Can't have it both ways, I suppose, but these differences of interpretation also sparks good discussion and is just fun. (:Eh. It's really just a matter of preference. I think it adds depth, but that's just my opinion.
Also I just found a goldmine for this sort of timeline-of-the-games-and-references stuff: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...nal_references
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I'm going to make a guess that it's going to be a major plot point in the next generation, but that's for another time.
Actually, whether or not the broadcast was during or before the HG/SS player character's stay at the Lake of Rage isn't really enough to prove whether or not it's the same Gyarados. As you mentioned earlier, time may have passed for editing purposes, so we really can't tell.It's mentioned by the cameraman who filmed the Red Gyarados (which, interestingly, would imply that the Red Gyarados news report does still exist in the canon storyline, it's just that we never actually see it :P) Anyway, I don't recall the exact dialogue, but I'll try to track it down.
Ooh. While many of these don't seem to be significant at all, some do. I'm a bit confused on the part where it says "A Hiker in the Route 3 Pokémon Center states that the Pokémon Center didn't exist when he was climbing the mountain, which is only true in Generation II" (Generation IV, reference to generation II).Also I just found a goldmine for this sort of timeline-of-the-games-and-references stuff: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...nal_references
Haha, I can tell by your Colress avatar. (:I guess I just like to think on really big scales. Also I'm really sciencey so the prospect of alternate realities is greatly appealing to me.
I'm guessing it means that the Pokemon Center wasn't there in Gen 2 but the hiker still was. Then, come Gen 4, there's a Pokemon Center and he's still hiking around that area.
Aside from the fact that I'm simply in love with his designYes, that was part of why I liked it. :P
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What in the games or anime mentions that the Wailord is based off of a blimp? (I also mention the anime here, because even though the games and the anime are different continuities, Wailord is still Wailord in the anime.)You see, the thing about Wailord is that, while he is based off of a whale, he's also based off of a blimp.
A walking garbage Pokemon can use electricity
Hmm. This post is odd and ridiculous but...
From the pokemon world, you can travel to the Distortion world, the Dream world, and the PMD world, all of which (except the last one) the connectors are known.
yet, there are no known connectors to travel from one world to another, without going through the Pokemon World.
So is the Pokemon World some kind of dimensional hallway? Going through one door, you come in another world, but the other worlds only have one (known) door, which leads to the Pokemon World.
And if you add the Dimensions of Unown, Dialga, Palkia, and the Unown, you'll see all of them connecting to the Pokemon World.
EDIT: Rank Up! While this may be a tropical paradise... When am I going to get out of this traffic so I can get home and preorder the new PMD!?
Hitmonlee can use Sucker Punch while Hitmonchan can't WTF