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    Quote Originally Posted by Asbestospoison View Post
    Still hates Jelly though.
    As long as you run HP Ghost / Electric / Grass Jelly won't do anything besides die.

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    HP Ghost is the best option because it hits everything grass does+celebi and lati@s. I'm pretty sure gastrodon just gets murdered by secret sword.

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    This is like the only water pokemon that doesn't get ice beam. It would be nice if it also got something like Nasty Plot so at least it could be a good opposite of Terrakion. Not even agility or something, it then would be able to try a double dance set. It wouldn't work as well though since it's STABs aren't all that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floatzel98 View Post
    This is like the only water pokemon that doesn't get ice beam. It would be nice if it also got something like Nasty Plot so at least it could be a good opposite of Terrakion. Not even agility or something, it then would be able to try a double dance set. It wouldn't work as well though since it's STABs aren't all that good.
    ......What

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    Yeah. Keldeo is pretty broken.

    If you run the calcs, +1 Keldeo can pretty much OHKO - 2HKO the entire tier with rain. Other auto-weathers can't switch in because they're murdered by secret sword. BP from Scizor does jackshit to Keldeo while he KOs with Hydro Pump. The only checks I can come up with are fast things, Scarfers (Rotom), and Dragonite.
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    Not that physical attack isn't viable, but it could be better.
    It isn't viable. 72 base attack is just pathetic for a sweeper. Let's take a looks at boosting sweepers. Lucario is 110. Infernape is 104. Dragonite is 123.
    ^ But it's outclassed by so many Pokemon, even in the rain.
    Outclassed? By what?
    If you run the calcs, +1 Keldeo can pretty much OHKO - 2HKO the entire tier with rain. Other auto-weathers can't switch in because they're murdered by secret sword. BP from Scizor does jackshit to Keldeo while he KOs with Hydro Pump. The only checks I can come up with are fast things, Scarfers (Rotom), and Dragonite.
    Nah, not really broken. Well, we won't know until we try, but I don't think it will be. Mence, D-night, Latios, Latias, Celebi, Jellicent, and as you said, scarfers.

    At least it's not as broken as Terrakion, who is still OU....
    It wouldn't work as well though since it's STABs aren't all that good.
    My reaction:
    ......What
    Water is a pretty good STAB, which is also boosted by rain. Besides, why would Gyarados be OU in both fourth and fight gen? STAB bounce? Fighting...fighting STAB is amazing. Terrakion, Lucario, Infernape, Conkeldurr, Scrafty, ect. All of those are OU for a reason.
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    It isn't viable. 72 base attack is just pathetic for a sweeper. Let's take a looks at boosting sweepers. Lucario is 110. Infernape is 104. Dragonite is 123.
    Dragonite has 134...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe View Post
    Dragonite has 134...
    Oops. I was just doing it off memory. Though that just proves my point even further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachmac View Post
    At least it's not as broken as Terrakion, who is still OU....My reaction:Water is a pretty good STAB, which is also boosted by rain. Besides, why would Gyarados be OU in both fourth and fight gen? STAB bounce? Fighting...fighting STAB is amazing. Terrakion, Lucario, Infernape, Conkeldurr, Scrafty, ect. All of those are OU for a reason.
    it's far more broken than terrakion due to not being weak to every priority ever and having secret sword bypass the only thing that really stops special sweepers, blissey. It's weak to scarftom but after a CM it doesn't care. what's that, celebi? Lati@s? cm+ HP Ghost. this thing is a lot scarier than terrakion ever was.

    all i can think of to reliably stop keldeo is dragonite, and coming in on rocks and a rain-boosted CM'd STAB hydro pump, dnite wont live too long.

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    Super unlikely but choice band attack +ing nature 252 Atk EVs brave bird skarmory could possibly kill keldeo!



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    good luck getting it in unharmed

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe View Post
    good luck getting it in unharmed
    Keldeo uses one of his moves
    Sturdy activates
    Brave bird
    Keldeo takes damage!



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    Quote Originally Posted by cooloolcool View Post
    Keldeo uses one of his moves
    Sturdy activates
    Brave bird
    Keldeo takes damage!
    Any good team that wants to sweep with keldeo will have stealth rocks up. Regardless, skarmory can't switch in on anything as it's easily killed with a follow-up hydro pump

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerofield View Post
    Any good team that wants to sweep with keldeo will have stealth rocks up. Regardless, skarmory can't switch in on anything as it's easily killed with a follow-up hydro pump

    /Topic
    Actually, they could have an RSer, but that would basically mean the team was overspecialised and wouldn't do much except against Keldeo.

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    Keldeo has about as many checks and counters as Terrakion or Latios do. It hits super-hard but not really much worse than any other gen 5 attacker.

    It will give Rain offense a HUGE boost but it won't go to Ubers.

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    Why Sacred Sword > Focus Blast?

    Sacred Sword = 135 BP Coming off Base 72
    Focus Blast = 180 BP Coming off Base 129

    Are people that scared about Focus Blast's accuracy??! Live life on the edge, people.

    And before any of you say it hits Blissey, I doubt Blissey will appreciate a +1 Focus Blast from Keldeo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Dewott View Post
    Why Sacred Sword > Focus Blast?

    Sacred Sword = 135 BP Coming off Base 72
    Focus Blast = 180 BP Coming off Base 129

    Are people that scared about Focus Blast's accuracy??! Live life on the edge, people.

    And before any of you say it hits Blissey, I doubt Blissey will appreciate a +1 Focus Blast from Keldeo.
    Secret Sword, not Sacred. It's like a fighting psyshock, targets the defense instead of SpD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Dewott View Post
    Why Sacred Sword > Focus Blast?

    Sacred Sword = 135 BP Coming off Base 72
    Focus Blast = 180 BP Coming off Base 129

    Are people that scared about Focus Blast's accuracy??! Live life on the edge, people.

    And before any of you say it hits Blissey, I doubt Blissey will appreciate a +1 Focus Blast from Keldeo.
    It's not Blissey that's the real problem. Chansey can take it quite well, and would T-Wave you at least or something, and cripple you. 70 Accuracy on FB isn't that good either!

    Secret Sword would probably OHKO Chansey (and Blissey too), and has 100 accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overlordmewtwo View Post
    Like I said earlier, UU/BL at worst, OU at best. 'Nuff said.
    yea, that's my guess too. it just doesn't seem that threatening to me. i'll find out though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Dewott View Post
    Why Sacred Sword > Focus Blast?

    Sacred Sword = 135 BP Coming off Base 72
    Focus Blast = 180 BP Coming off Base 129

    Are people that scared about Focus Blast's accuracy??! Live life on the edge, people.

    And before any of you say it hits Blissey, I doubt Blissey will appreciate a +1 Focus Blast from Keldeo.
    Not Sacred Sword, Secret Sword. Its basically a Fighting Psyshock.

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    What about a specs set?

    keldeo @choice specs
    252 sp.attack, 252 speed, 4 hp
    modest/Timid
    Justified
    -Secret Sword
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Hidden Power Ghost/Electric/Ice
    -Aqua Jet/Toxic/Taunt/Rain Dance/Scald/Hyper Beam

    well this is a choice set I came up with the 3 first options are from the oppening but the forth slot is a total filler it doesn't got enough special moves to fill a 4th slot but oh well this set is still effective:
    the last slot: aqua jet hit a last hit from a 1 HP pokemon.. Toxic toxics and then you need to switch, Taunt stop setting and then you need to switch, rain dance ensures rain and then you need to switch.. Scald is an alternate water move when you want to burn something.. (useless you want hydro pump) and hyper beam is awesome it lets you lose a match.


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    Specs would be usable. Rain Dance is probably the best move in the last slot to I guess protect against weather in a pinch. In Rain Specs Hydro Pump is demolishing even Latios and Celebi.

    I wonder if a defensive Scald set would be usable. Calm Mind / Scald / Secret Sword / HP Ghost. Some HP EVs to let it switch in on Scizor or Tyranitarmand last long enough to wear down its counters. Probably vastly inferior to offensive CM but I guess its something different it can do.

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    You'd definitely run Timid on a Specs set, of course.

    Anyways, I'll go and test this in DW, see if it works as a Specs user.
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    It looks like Keldeo is a kind of boosted Starmie. i wouldn't be surprised with the special sets and having relatively good attack coverage. Plus unlike Starmie it has better access to physical and mixed sets though considering Rapid Spin I doubt it'll push the Starfish pokemon out of the spotlight completely

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