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    Not to mention Starmie has access to Ice Beam and Thunderbolt, whereas Keldeo doesn't. However, I'd imagine they'd be pretty potent together, working together in a similar way as Mence and Rayquaza used to in G4 Ubers, basically just overwhelming checks and counters with Rain boosted Hydro Pumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe View Post
    Not to mention Starmie has access to Ice Beam and Thunderbolt, whereas Keldeo doesn't. However, I'd imagine they'd be pretty potent together, working together in a similar way as Mence and Rayquaza used to in G4 Ubers, basically just overwhelming checks and counters with Rain boosted Hydro Pumps.
    i didn't even realize that possibility. There is pretty good coverage between the two of them and checking most counters common to each one such as chansey/blissey, grass and dragon types as well as bulky water types

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    What about a specs set?
    Wow. WOW. Did we really get 3 pages into this thread before someone mentioned the Specs set?

    The CM set is nice, very powerful, but the Specs set doesn't even have to set up. It just waltzes in and spams Rain boosted Hydro Pumps and destroys pretty much everything that isn't immune or resistant, with things that are resistant dying to Secret Sword. Throw HP Ghost on the last slot for Jellicent and you're all set. Nothing switches into that safely at all; it's like CB Terrakion but worse (in the Rain at least). For the last slot, just run Aqua Jet. Even with just 4 EVs, you're 3HKOing Terrakion, 4HKOing 4/0 Tyranitar, and 3-4HKOing 4/0 Heatran in the Rain, just to name a few. Great for emergencies, and you really don't need that extra moveslot for much else anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe View Post
    Not to mention Starmie has access to Ice Beam and Thunderbolt, whereas Keldeo doesn't. However, I'd imagine they'd be pretty potent together, working together in a similar way as Mence and Rayquaza used to in G4 Ubers, basically just overwhelming checks and counters with Rain boosted Hydro Pumps.
    Keldeo + Starmie + SpecsToed = Czar Bomb of Hydro Pumps

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    Quote Originally Posted by overlordmewtwo View Post
    There's no way Keldeo will make Ubers. Despite the fact that it has a huge physical movepool, its attack is very lacking and is in almost every way outclassed by Terrakion in that department.
    Think about this: Keldeo/d'Artagnan has Secret Sword. She can hit from both sides of the attacking spectrum, something that Terrakion/Porthos can't even dream of doing. If a Prankster Sableye walked in with Will-O-Wisp, it will turn Terrakion's offenses into worse-than-crud IN A SECOND. Keldeo, on the other hand, could care less about being burned. Her actual Physical Attack is worse than Serperior's, which is really saying something. Secret Sword, however, can still hit on the physical Defence from Keldeo's excellent Special Attack, if need be.
    Who do you think has the advantage: Terrakion, or Keldeo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by assassinsceptile View Post
    Keldeo + Starmie + SpecsToed = Czar Bomb of Hydro Pumps
    so true on so many levels. and with the occassional boltbeam, secret sword, toxic/perish song on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark View Post
    Think about this: Keldeo/d'Artagnan has Secret Sword. She can hit from both sides of the attacking spectrum, something that Terrakion/Porthos can't even dream of doing. If a Prankster Sableye walked in with Will-O-Wisp, it will turn Terrakion's offenses into worse-than-crud IN A SECOND. Keldeo, on the other hand, could care less about being burned. Her actual Physical Attack is worse than Serperior's, which is really saying something. Secret Sword, however, can still hit on the physical Defence from Keldeo's excellent Special Attack, if need be.
    Who do you think has the advantage: Terrakion, or Keldeo?
    Why would Terrakion even need to hit on the special side?

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    Oh, I don't know. To kill Skarmory. To kill Cloyster. To kill Gliscor. To kill Hippowdon. To kill Groudon A MILLION TIMES FASTER. To find a way to continue functioning after getting burned. Just that stuff, I guess.

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    Terrakion has 72 SpA, and 129 Atk.

    So yeah.

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    Fun Fact: Specs Terrakion can OHKO Skarm with Focus Blast after Stealth Rock, always OHKOs Cloyster, always OHKOs Gliscor with HP Ice, and 2HKOs Hippowdon and Groudon with Focus Blast.

    It's still a terrible idea, but there's hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Keldeo is the specially based terrakion. GG
    thats what i thought but then i dont think he has the coverage
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    Keldeo is a better virizion.
    i think its unlikely people will use physical keldeos but virision has the ability to go either way
    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    I think the only set decision you should be making when using Keldeo is Surf / Hydro Pump. Its movepool is too tiny to use anything else. It literally has no other viable options besides Hidden Power / Calm Mind / Water move / Secret Sword.
    yh i agree, i see it being passed up for options like starmie who have more vesatility and better coverage
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonuser View Post
    Keldeo is going to be a monster, and make rain that much more dangerous.

    I could easily see him going uber because of his speed/power/stabs/rain boost
    He could go uber but i think that'll be dependant on how devastating his specs set is + even with HP ghost i can see jellicent making a decent job of walling him, non specsthat is + forretress & scizor dont exactly have much to fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak94 View Post
    Fun Fact: Specs Terrakion can OHKO Skarm with Focus Blast after Stealth Rock, always OHKOs Cloyster, always OHKOs Gliscor with HP Ice, and 2HKOs Hippowdon and Groudon with Focus Blast.

    It's still a terrible idea, but there's hope!
    Thinking seriously, though... no. Nobody's going to be running Terrakion with Choice Specs.

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    Then you lose essentially lose your Rock stab, since it doesn't learn any special Rock moves.

    Besides, doesn't a +2 Swords boosted CC or SE accomplish more or less the same things, while being more threatening?

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    He could go uber but im not sure he will + even with HP ghost i can see jellicent making a decent job of walling him + forretress & scizor dont exactly have much to fear
    Last time I checked Scizor or Forretress weren't exactly great at taking +1 Rain boosted Hydro Pumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe View Post
    Then you lose essentially lose your Rock stab, since it doesn't learn any special Rock moves.

    Besides, doesn't a +2 Swords boosted CC or SE accomplish more or less the same things, while being more threatening?

    Last time I checked Scizor or Forretress weren't exactly great at taking +1 Rain boosted Hydro Pumps.
    HP Rock, my friend?

    Forretress can take Rain boosted Hydro Pumps last time I checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark View Post
    HP Rock, my friend?

    Forretress can take Rain boosted Hydro Pumps last time I checked.
    252 SpAtk Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Forretress: 162.15% - 190.96%

    252 SpAtk Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Forretress: 105.08% - 123.73%

    without any boosts

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    HP Rock cannot even 2HKO the standard Gliscor. You'd be better off running HP Ice to get past the things that will otherwise wall physical Terrakion. And all this in light of the fact that special Terrakion is terrible. Seriously, HP Ice is viable to get past Gliscor on a physical set, but that's it.

    And even specially defensive Forretress dies easily to a +1 Rain-boosted Hydro Pump. Heck, even Ferrothorn has a shot at being 2HKOd, and it's destroyed by Secret Sword anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
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    Even more reason for everyone to use it. Now what cute nickname containing 2 words should we give it?

    On topic, it's a great special sweeper but nothing too unique bar hard hitting moves. Its Water typing and the ever so common rain will make that STAB Hydro Pump (coming off 129 Special Attack) hurt a lot. 108 Speed helps it in the meta-game. As for me, I doubt I'll use it unless I get my hands on a Drizzle Politoed as bar that, I find Keldo doesn't have enough to differentiate itself from other sweepers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParaChomp View Post
    Even more reason for everyone to use it. Now what cute nickname containing 2 words should we give it?

    On topic, it's a great special sweeper but nothing too unique bar hard hitting moves. Its Water typing and the ever so common rain will make that STAB Hydro Pump (coming off 129 Special Attack) hurt a lot. 108 Speed helps it in the meta-game. As for me, I doubt I'll use it unless I get my hands on a Drizzle Politoed as bar that, I find Keldo doesn't have enough to differentiate itself from other sweepers.
    STAB Fighting type Psyshock and the ability to break everything that can come close to countering it puts it in the same tier of sweepers as Terrakion and Dragonite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by assassinsceptile View Post
    STAB Fighting type Psyshock and the ability to break everything that can come close to countering it puts it in the same tier of sweepers as Terrakion and Dragonite.
    I'm fully aware of that, I just find incredibly powerful sweeper has been done to death and I prefer playing with more unique strategies. None the less, it is a force to be reckoned with.

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    Heck, even Ferrothorn has a shot at being 2HKOd, and it's destroyed by Secret Sword anyways.
    You know, I take back what I said earlier. That thing sounds deadly now. It would at least deserve Uber testing.

    Keldeo's Rain Boosted Hydro Pumps.
    Tornadus's Hurricanes.
    Ferrothorn not losing to random HP fires anymore.
    Banned, but Swift Swim.

    I'm not sure if any of those other then SS are Uber worthy....but it would still make a nice excuse to ban drizzle.
    Now what cute nickname containing 2 words should we give it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParaChomp View Post
    I'm fully aware of that, I just find incredibly powerful sweeper has been done to death and I prefer playing with more unique strategies. None the less, it is a force to be reckoned with.

    Now, despite the fact that I have no strong emotion towards the show, help me come up with a nickname that sounds like it's from My Little Pony! Requires 2 words.
    Don't tell me what to do.

    The fact that you play with "more unique" strategies means nothing. Keldeo is still a great pokemon and how you personally play doesn't change that.

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    Keldeo looks... horrible (sprite) yet godly (stats, typing, etc).

    If it runs HP Ghost, you've got Dragon/Flying, Gyarados, and Grass/Poison standing a decent shot. Dragonite (Hello Hurricane variants), Gyarados, Amoongus, Venusaur, and Roserade probably being the best answers. Though none are particularly suited to Sand teams.
    If it runs HP Ice (trolol no Ice Beam, welcome to the Seismitoad club), you have the Water/Psychics, Gyarados again, Jellicent, and Shedinja (it could almost work. Almost) and Tentacruel again.

    The coverage won't be perfect, even though Fighting+Ghost is obviously unresisted an un-STABed HP Ghost doesn't seem... scary. Gyarados and Tentacruel wall it either way, but seriously if you don't have Gyarados or Tentacruel good luck. Or maybe Jellicent's Troll Body will disable HP Ghost. Other than that, I can't see a very big list of things to counter it. But who knows, a Rain+STAB+LO Hydro Pump coming from 129 Base Sp. Atk could maybe 2HKO, I don't have damage calcs on hand.

    So yeah... I think it'll be a bad day for OU, but I think it'll go Uber.
    Either way, I'll have a Magic Guard+Sash Alakazam waiting. Because that freak horse is going down. Even though it'd require death fodder to get in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectTitan313 View Post
    Keldeo looks... horrible (sprite) yet godly (stats, typing, etc).

    If it runs HP Ghost, you've got Dragon/Flying, Gyarados, and Grass/Poison standing a decent shot. Dragonite (Hello Hurricane variants), Gyarados, Amoongus, Venusaur, and Roserade probably being the best answers. Though none are particularly suited to Sand teams.
    If it runs HP Ice (trolol no Ice Beam, welcome to the Seismitoad club), you have the Water/Psychics, Gyarados again, Jellicent, and Shedinja (it could almost work. Almost) and Tentacruel again.

    The coverage won't be perfect, even though Fighting+Ghost is obviously unresisted an un-STABed HP Ghost doesn't seem... scary. Gyarados and Tentacruel wall it either way, but seriously if you don't have Gyarados or Tentacruel good luck. Or maybe Jellicent's Troll Body will disable HP Ghost. Other than that, I can't see a very big list of things to counter it. But who knows, a Rain+STAB+LO Hydro Pump coming from 129 Base Sp. Atk could maybe 2HKO, I don't have damage calcs on hand.

    So yeah... I think it'll be a bad day for OU, but I think it'll go Uber.
    Either way, I'll have a Magic Guard+Sash Alakazam waiting. Because that freak horse is going down. Even though it'd require death fodder to get in.
    Roserade is hardly seen in OU, as is Amoongus, and if Starmie is paired with Keldeo (which may be more prominent when everyone realises how good it may be), Dragonite isn't going to stick around long, and neither will Gyara,
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    Quote Originally Posted by assassinsceptile View Post
    252 SpAtk Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Forretress: 162.15% - 190.96%

    252 SpAtk Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Forretress: 105.08% - 123.73%

    without any boosts
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParaChomp View Post
    Now, despite the fact that I have no strong emotion towards the show, help me come up with a nickname that sounds like it's from My Little Pony! Requires 2 words.
    lol, i was thinking about naming mine Bronie when i get it :P
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