RU Metagame Discussion Thread

[thatjeremykid]

A dedicated lead is nowhere near as effective as it was last gen, and it's sweeping abilities are sub-par, making it limited to revenge killing for offensive power. Whimsicott... I use it for support, and it really is effective. It's way too good for RU, and if smogon put it to a vote, I bet it would be banned.

Even still, a Power Herb Dactyl can wreck a lot of pokemon. I use one, but not as a lead. After i KO something with Sky Attack, i can use tailwind while the opponent revenge kills it (as it is pretty frail). i just never expected it to drop that low.

[complete legitimacy]

Yeah, Whimsicott will never be banned. It can't do anything to any Grass-types, like Ludicolo, Ferroseed, and Lilligant. It's still incredibly annoying, but it's barely even good enough to even be in RU. It's getting close to NU usage now.

Of the two, Durant is definitely the bigger issue. I've heard that Durant is getting its fair share of yesses, and I know of one for sure. I doubt anybody is voting yes for Sharpedo. It's not even suspect-worthy imo.

[Eaglehawk]

As one of the main members participating in the creation of the RU tier over the last five rounds of the RU suspect process I'd just like to say that we're never going to ban Whimsicott. Ever.

Also Unaware Quagsire hard counters DD Crawdaunt even at +6 why would you ever try and set up on it with it. .-.

And uh, on other stuff, Archeops isn't that great, tbh. It's basically going to be always firing off Acrobatics turn one, and after that initial flare of power (where it still gets wrecked by any Steel-type that switches in, and don't give me **** about predicting and using Earthquake) it's basically worthless, since there are tons of things that can check or counter it easily at that point. Stealth Rocks are on literally every decent team, and they totally cripple Archeops. Pretty much every team runs priority, and all the anti meta trick room running around also messes with it pretty badly.

I'd also like to say that Sharpedo is significantly less broken than Durant is. Even though this seems ridiculous to all of you that have never played RU and are posting in this thread to pretend to look smart anyways, it's true. The only reason that Sharpedo is OU viable is because the OU metagame is ridiculously kind to it. The only priority running around OU is Scizor's bullet Punch, the most common bulky waters are easily weakened, or outright blown through by Sharpedo, and in general a lot of OU teams are just really vulnerable to it. In RU, that's flat out not true. Many of the bulky waters are really hard to weaken effectively, there are at least five common users of priority moves which all take a huge chunk out of Sharpedo, and there are things like Tangrowth and Slowking, a core which it can't even effectively break or weaken.


edit: seriously if you're just going to be just ****ing theorymonning then get out of this thread. the metagame's existed for more than six months at this point, and the fact that you think you're at all qualified to post here with zero knowledge of it is ridiculously dumb

Bravo, boy. Bravo.

Even still, a Power Herb Dactyl can wreck a lot of pokemon. I use one, but not as a lead. After i KO something with Sky Attack, i can use tailwind while the opponent revenge kills it (as it is pretty frail). i just never expected it to drop that low.

That's just called poor use of a Aerodactyl.

[Zachmac]

Even still, a Power Herb Dactyl can wreck a lot of pokemon. I use one, but not as a lead. After i KO something with Sky Attack, i can use tailwind while the opponent revenge kills it (as it is pretty frail). i just never expected it to drop that low.

Specs Draco Meteor can wreck even more, then all it needs to do is swap out for another one.

I'm not surprised it dropped that far below at all, even though I no nothing about lower tiers.

the metagame's existed for more than six months at this point, and the fact that you think you're at all qualified to post here with zero knowledge of it is ridiculously dumb

I'm surprised with myself for even reading this thread, I never even touched an RU team.

[thatjeremykid]

Bravo, boy. Bravo.

That's just called poor use of a Aerodactyl.

A kamikaze lead is better than a suicide lead. what would you do, stealth rock? almost everything else does that better.

[complete legitimacy]

I'm surprised with myself for even reading this thread, I never even touched an RU team.

Then I think you might wanna take the hint.

[windsong]

Even still, a Power Herb Dactyl can wreck a lot of pokemon. I use one, but not as a lead. After i KO something with Sky Attack, i can use tailwind while the opponent revenge kills it (as it is pretty frail). i just never expected it to drop that low.

can we remove the 10char rule this post would be so much better if it were just me bolding that

[Ilan]

Played RU a few times and sharpedo misses a little power there never defeated more than 2 pokemons...
but primeape is pretty good there... I also succeeded using muk effectively
RU is like a lite UU 4gen tier it gives even NU pokemon a chance there so no pokemon is forgotten...

[Vandslaux]

Am I the only person who notices Scolipede's usage? That thing is an amazing Spiker, though it's stopped cold by Sandslash.

[Eaglehawk]

A kamikaze lead is better than a suicide lead. what would you do, stealth rock? almost everything else does that better.

A suicide lead is a kamekaze lead...
And you're telling me that Taunt/Stealth Rock is not superior to Sky Attack/Tailwind?

[complete legitimacy]

So yeah, Durant's been banned. The OP's been updated to reflect this. I also added DrizzleSwim which I forgot the first time.

[jstinftw!]

So yeah, Durant's been banned. The OP's been updated to reflect this. I also added DrizzleSwim which I forgot the first time.

Which kind of sucks, since I was about to build an RU team with Durant as one of the main focuses. ): I guess I'll have to go Crustle, or something.

As I said earlier, I'm going to be creating an RU team really soon (after the 2012 International Tournament), so this thread's going to be very important.

What are the primary threats of the RU tier?

[bugcatchersdream]

Linoone's got it's swag on now.

[The Imposter]

Try Pinsir or Feraligatr over your Durants. They're both devastating physical sweepers that could fill Durant's void.

[complete legitimacy]

Yeah, Feraligatr is amazing right now. It's cool in a number of ways, from great bulk, great power, and good coverage. It hits everything in RU neutrally except for Ferroseed with Return and Waterfall. Aqua Jet is cool since after a Swords Dance you can hit most faster threats except for Sceptile. It also sets up on Qwilfish, which is really common and is most teams answer to a lot of physical threats. I wish I had a chance to use it with Durant since most of their counters are dealt with by the other.

[jstinftw!]

hm. Feraligatr. Never thought of that. That works! Especially since Feraligatr was my first Pokemon ever, so. Nostalgia ftw!

So, a Luxray, Beheeyem/Mushaarna, and Feraligatr team good so far?

[ashsinnoh]

hm. Feraligatr. Never thought of that. That works! Especially since Feraligatr was my first Pokemon ever, so. Nostalgia ftw!

So, a Luxray, Beheeyem/Mushaarna, and Feraligatr team good so far?

As much as I love Luxray, what does it have against Manetric or Electivire? While Intimidate is good, I think that the mentioned two would do job on team better. That aside, what is your opinion on Crawdaunt? As for me I love it. It's slow and frail, but 2xSTABs is something. Access to Dragon Dance is something too, but it is hard to set up. Will it be The Sea Terror of RU or will it be the left out crab in front of Sharpedo? Discuss! What do you think? What sets have you been running successfully? What team support does it need and everything else RU related!

[The Imposter]

hm. Feraligatr. Never thought of that. That works! Especially since Feraligatr was my first Pokemon ever, so. Nostalgia ftw!

So, a Luxray, Beheeyem/Mushaarna, and Feraligatr team good so far?

Luxray is outclassed extremely by Manectric or Electivire. Both have better offensive stats and Speed, and useful niches that Luxray lacks. Uxie is better as a bulky Psychic.


Also, Crawdaunt is too slow even after a DD. As such, it needs two to do ****, which means it needs a ton of support to do anything. Sharpedo >>>>>>>>>>>>> Crawdaunt.

[complete legitimacy]

A wild Tier Shift appeared!
You used Bump Thread!
It's super effective!

Anyways, the OP has been updated. Claydol, Gligar, Honchkrow, and Sharpedo have all moved on to bigger and better things, while we received nothing new. On the other end, Charizard, Ludicolo, and Sawsbuck have dropped to NU while Mesprit has joined the ranks of RU.

This is gonna spice up the metagame dramatically. Claydol was a great Pokemon for stall teams, providing both Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin while resisting EdgeQuake and Fighting. Gligar was a top physical wall, one of the few that had reliable recovery. A lot of things ran things such as Ice Punch or HP Ice just to beat it. Honchkrow was the tier's top wallbreaker, and also ran a deadly SubRoost set that required you to have a Steel on every team. And last but not least, Sharpedo was the best late-game cleaner in the metagame, and even though it was deemed not broken it still left the tier by way of UU usage.

As for changes that I've seen while playing, you should probably run ThunderPunch on all your Medichams and Hitmonchans, as the two major reasons to use Ice Punch are gone. This instead opens you up to hit things like Qwilfish and Slowking, although hitting Moltres on the switch is also cool. SubPunch Aggron is good right now, since Tangrowth doesn't switch in as CB Head Smash 2HKOes guaranteed with Stealth Rock. The things that can take CB Head Smash don't like taking Focus Punches, and vice versa. One last thing, is that a lot of things around 80 base speed tended to run just enough to beat Adamant Honchkrow (Hitmonchan, Feraligatr, Kabutops), so now they''ll need to find something else to want to outspeed. I've been basing my EVs around max speed Omastar, since you never want that setting up and it can hit pretty hard right off the bat. Anyways, discuss your experiences in the new metagame. Please stay away from theorymonning in this thread, although this is Serebii.

[bugcatchersdream]

Stupid RU taking one of our best mons and not giving us Crustle.