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    I recently got into competitive battling - well, if you count July as "recent." I really wanted to use a Baton Pass lead, since they seem to work pretty well. Unfortunately, I ran into a problem.

    I found that, when looking for a Baton Passer, my options were quite limited. The only Baton Passers I could find that were relatively fast were Ninjask, Ambipom, and Jolteon - everything else I tried to use got outsped by a lot of common sweepers.

    So here's what I want to know:

    1. How many people actually use Baton Pass leads in 5th Gen Competitive?

    2. What are some good Baton Passers (besides the aforementioned ones)?

    3. Are Baton Pass strategies still useful by today's standards?

    Discuss.
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    I'm just going to bump this since it took so long to approve and its not fair to let it fall to the bottom of the page without having a chance.

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    the fact that it passes confusion cost me my masterclass battle in the semi finals so i hate it

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    Vaporeon can pass some massive substitutes, aqua ring, and acid armor (FTW!) it can actually be pretty deadly if i can actually pull it off. thing is.. it's really hard to pull off.
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    baton pass when used by the right player is one of the stratagues that i fear the most so yes it is good but it takes alot of work toi pull off


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatjeremykid View Post
    Vaporeon can pass some massive substitutes, aqua ring, and acid armor (FTW!) it can actually be pretty deadly if i can actually pull it off. thing is.. it's really hard to pull off.
    I actually do that. Physically defensive Scizor FTW!
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    Hmm, try Ninjask, with substitute. That way,
    1) Substitute. Speed raises.
    2) Sword dance - attack raises by 2. Speed rises.
    3) Baton pass.

    This way, two speed and two attack points are passed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaldaver View Post
    Hmm, try Ninjask, with substitute. That way,
    1) Substitute. Speed raises.
    2) Sword dance - attack raises by 2. Speed rises.
    3) Baton pass.

    This way, two speed and two attack points are passed!
    Focus Sash would probably be better, as it's sub would most likely be broken the same turn it's used.
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    I've seen a baton pass chain where half the pokemon could double as sweepers. There was no specific baton pass target, and if the sweeper comes across a pokemon it couldn't handle, it would baton pass to a teammate who could. I phazed one of the pokemon before, and unlike most players, they still didn't give up, and just set up again. Now that I think about it, it was a little like volt turn with stat boosting moves. I don't think they had Espeon either, but I can't really remember that part.
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    Do not forget that you can not baton pass shell smash, it is illegal, so I guess that smeargle set is not so good; that also takes Huntail and Gorebyss out of the question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fracktail View Post
    Do not forget that you can not baton pass shell smash, it is illegal, so I guess that smeargle set is not so good; that also takes Huntail and Gorebyss out of the question
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    surely, your problem is not only that most Baton passers are slow, and only ninjask is a good baton pass leader, your main problem is skarmory. even if you reach +6 atk/sp atk it's sturdy will make it survive and whirlwind you out.
    Yet again, baton passers don't always work good as leaders, i suggest you try gorebyss shell smash+White herb so you can recover the lowered stats and conserve the stat rises, i usually Baton pass to mixed salamence.
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    Ninjask/Vaporeon/Espeon/Mr. Mime/Filler/Filler

    Gratz you've just made both the strongest and cheapest team this game has to offer. Pass around, get every buff ever, immune to Perish Song and phazing due to espy and mime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeHill005 View Post

    2. What are some good Baton Passers (besides the aforementioned ones)? .
    Smeargle and Gorebyss for SmashPassing (passing Shell Smashes).

    There's advantages and disadvantages for the two. Smeargle has the crippling Spore to abuse, along with other useful support moves but, thanks to its poor defences, has to run a Focus Sash, meaning it can't use a White Herb to negate the defence drop. Gorebyss is natural faster, and resists Bullet Punch, meaning it's not knocked out by Scizor, the most common priority abuser, it can also manage a sweep itself
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    I usually run Baton Pass with Pokemon that are very scarcely seen with it.

    Scizor and Gliscor are usually my main BP'ers when I just feel like killing stuff. Most of the others are just much 2 predictable and are undeniably easy 2 use.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Prince View Post
    surely, your problem is not only that most Baton passers are slow, and only ninjask is a good baton pass leader, your main problem is skarmory. even if you reach +6 atk/sp atk it's sturdy will make it survive and whirlwind you out.
    Yet again, baton passers don't always work good as leaders, i suggest you try gorebyss shell smash+White herb so you can recover the lowered stats and conserve the stat rises, i usually Baton pass to mixed salamence.
    When you see a Skarmory, that's when you pass to Espeon.
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    DW Volbeat has Prankster. Which means that, with a focus sash, it can pass a Tail Glow (+3 Special Attack).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellsterCartier View Post
    DW Volbeat has Prankster. Which means that, with a focus sash, it can pass a Tail Glow (+3 Special Attack).
    Tail Glow is just +2, isn't it?

    I'd rather use a calm mind passer like Celebi anyway.
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    B/W changed Tail Glow to a +3 boost instead of +2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellsterCartier View Post
    DW Volbeat has Prankster. Which means that, with a focus sash, it can pass a Tail Glow (+3 Special Attack).
    Definitely a decent gimmick, but running it is actually hard. Considering its terrible defenses, it's going to be killed off pretty easily, especially Stealth Rock. I feel this would become slightly more usable once Keldeo comes out, as Secret Sword allows it to forgo a Physical move and has great coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk View Post
    Definitely a decent gimmick, but running it is actually hard. Considering its terrible defenses, it's going to be killed off pretty easily, especially Stealth Rock. I feel this would become slightly more usable once Keldeo comes out, as Secret Sword allows it to forgo a Physical move and has great coverage.
    However, if this is used as a lead (what the op asked for) you wont have to worry about stealth rocks. If it has a focus sash the only thing volbeat will have to worry about is priority.


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    For BP teams, you need espeon. It can basically prevent the chain from breaking. Well, the pokemon could be defeated, but if used successfully it isn't likely.


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