Legendary Pokemon Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Poetry]

The map description of the Cave of Being states that it's said that "the deepest part of the cave leads to the Sinnoh region". Even if you take this as myth (which it probably is), it would imply some sort of connection between Unova and Sinnoh.

And yet Sinnoh already has some sort of connection with Johto, as shown by the Sinjoh Ruins. There are a lot of connections.

[pokedigijedi]

point taken ladies and gentlemen thanks

[Kanethedragon]

And yet Sinnoh already has some sort of connection with Johto, as shown by the Sinjoh Ruins. There are a lot of connections.

Well if you think about it, Sinnoh is one of the oldest regions (possibly one of the first) in PokeEarth history compared to say, Orre or Kanto (there's not that many relics in Kanto and the Sevii Isles lean more towards a history with Johto than Kanto.) As for Unova, it seems more new than Hoenn which also mainly stems back before it was established. As for the Genesect distribution, I say, the more the merrier cause then in about 5 years I'll be sitting with like 5 and getting some good bargains off them.

[Poetry]

Well if you think about it, Sinnoh is one of the oldest regions (possibly one of the first) in PokeEarth history compared to say, Orre or Kanto (there's not that many relics in Kanto and the Sevii Isles lean more towards a history with Johto than Kanto.) As for Unova, it seems more new than Hoenn which also mainly stems back before it was established.

If all the myths concerning the Pokemon world are to be believed, Sinnoh was the first to be created, with Arceus, the Creation Trio and the Lake Trio being the first Pokemon to come into existence. I think this is actually the only point in the timeline where it states that a region was specifically "created" - most of the time it just talks about the creation of legendaries, but I think we can attribute the creation of main legendaries to the creation of their respective region i.e. when the Weather Trio were created and they "created land and filled seas", we can pretty much safely assume they they're talking about Hoenn.

But a lot of legendaries have connections with other regions. Lugia is the trio master of the Legendary Birds, Arceus and the Ruins of Alph, not to mention all the legendaries congregating in B2/W2.

[ParaChomp]

Who else is a major Zekrom fan? I bought this Zekrom figure thing at Toysrus (Not the tiny 2-3 inch one) and it's awesome.

Bought a model kit of it by Bandai at the last animé convention I went to (you pull back its arms, and its mouth opens and that's all that moves). A shame it has such poor coverage.

Caught Regigigas with an Adamant nature and its got everything going for it with the EVs I gave it (even numbered Speed, even defences, 400 Attack, and 405 HP).

[Taodragon]

Bought a model kit of it by Bandai at the last animé convention I went to (you pull back its arms, and its mouth opens and that's all that moves). A shame it has such poor coverage.

That sounds pretty cool, do you mind me asking what the name of the model is?

And agreed on the coverage issue, it's really a wonder why Zekrom, Kyurem and Reshiram (though it really doesn't need it) got such a weirdly shallow movepool.

[rocky505]

That sounds like one of the Pokepla model kits. I've seen reviews of them on youtube.

[silver_phoenix]

does anyone know what the pupose is of legendary Pokemon being traded without being trained?

[Kanethedragon]

If all the myths concerning the Pokemon world are to be believed, Sinnoh was the first to be created, with Arceus, the Creation Trio and the Lake Trio being the first Pokemon to come into existence. I think this is actually the only point in the timeline where it states that a region was specifically "created" - most of the time it just talks about the creation of legendaries, but I think we can attribute the creation of main legendaries to the creation of their respective region i.e. when the Weather Trio were created and they "created land and filled seas", we can pretty much safely assume they they're talking about Hoenn.

But a lot of legendaries have connections with other regions. Lugia is the trio master of the Legendary Birds, Arceus and the Ruins of Alph, not to mention all the legendaries congregating in B2/W2.

True as well. Kyogre and Groudon in two different timelines (if you take the Ranger games into account) went to other regions (being Fiore and Johto) after their battle in Hoenn. Speaking of which, the way things have been going in the franchise is starting to get pretty confusing now. Especially if you played the original ranger game before HG and SS as then you get confused as to which one you should take as the canon timeline. It'd be nice to have some more explanation on that. Whether there exists multiple timelines and occurrences in this supposedly alternate world of ours. It'd be even more nice to tie in a Celebi event with that as well.

does anyone know what the pupose is of legendary Pokemon being traded without being trained?

Bragging rights, Personalizing their stat growth to how you want it to be, Pokedex number etc.

[Aurath8]

True as well. Kyogre and Groudon in two different timelines (if you take the Ranger games into account) went to other regions (being Fiore and Johto) after their battle in Hoenn. Speaking of which, the way things have been going in the franchise is starting to get pretty confusing now. Especially if you played the original ranger game before HG and SS as then you get confused as to which one you should take as the canon timeline. It'd be nice to have some more explanation on that. Whether there exists multiple timelines and occurrences in this supposedly alternate world of ours. It'd be even more nice to tie in a Celebi event with that as well.

As far as I know the Ranger series and the main series never reference eachother anyway. But yes, the pokemon world certainly has so much left unexplained and all the various plots are almost entirely self-contained, to the point that we can't be 100% sue of their order. Even BW2 has limited connections with BW not drawing much attention the events following N's departure and the effects of Team Plasma on the region.

[HRRlion]

Gamefreak dug themselves into a small hole with B2W2. Normally, the timeline would have treated the 3rd games as canon i.e .
yellow->crystal->emerald(?)->platinum->"grey"

But now theres a split:

platinum->White->white2
or
platinum->black->black2

[Excitable Boy]

and Pokemon is Zelda, and Eiji Aonuma will say that Gens I and II only occur if Team Magma defeated Brendan/May, and Gen VI will have the characters abandoning the Pokemon world to colonize spin-offs

meanwhile, prequels, prequels everywhere

[Aurath8]

and Pokemon is Zelda, and Eiji Aonuma will say that Gens I and II only occur if Team Magma defeated Brendan/May, and Gen VI will have the characters abandoning the Pokemon world to colonize spin-offs

meanwhile, prequels, prequels everywhere

Do this for another 9 years and then release the official timeline for the 25th anniversary subverting everyone's expectations.

In all seriousness, it's implied that BW/BW2 are parallel universes of eachother. I expect that after this the timeline should converge quite simply because only geography is affected and each universe tells a similar history.

[HRRlion]

Do this for another 9 years and then release the official timeline for the 25th anniversary subverting everyone's expectations.

In all seriousness, it's implied that BW/BW2 are parallel universes of eachother. I expect that after this the timeline should converge quite simply because only geography is affected and each universe tells a similar history.

A Gray version with a fusion of the white and black timelines would be pretty badass. Come to think about it:

2013 6th Gen duo
2014 3rd Game that fuses the two timelines but set in the 6th gen region

One can dream

[Trainer Yusuf]

As far as I know the Ranger series and the main series never reference eachother anyway.

Every Ranger event ever? Most specifically Manaphy? They outright told in the first Ranger game that it needs to hatch in Sinnoh.

Main series referencing the Ranger series, on the other hand... yeah you're right about that one.

[Reshiram44]

A Gray version with a fusion of the white and black timelines would be pretty badass. Come to think about it:

2013 6th Gen duo
2014 3rd Game that fuses the two timelines but set in the 6th gen region

One can dream

Oh no... not the 6th Generation talk again. TROLL AlERT!!!
Anyways... Have they even started selling The Kyurem forme figures in America yet? It's been forever.

[Taodragon]

That sounds like one of the Pokepla model kits. I've seen reviews of them on youtube.

Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it.

Do this for another 9 years and then release the official timeline for the 25th anniversary subverting everyone's expectations.

In all seriousness, it's implied that BW/BW2 are parallel universes of eachother. I expect that after this the timeline should converge quite simply because only geography is affected and each universe tells a similar history.

Agreed, they'll probably do that, though there's still Reshiram/Zekrom to consider since they're escorted by the protagonists (or N depending on how you percieve the postgame events) and will need to be reobtainable somewhere down the road.

[HRRlion]

Oh no... not the 6th Generation talk again. TROLL AlERT!!!
Anyways... Have they even started selling The Kyurem forme figures in America yet? It's been forever.

Lol, naah i'm just saying that they don't HAVE to reveal the Original Dragon, but in the future they should. I don't know why, but seeing the 2 Kyurem formes still feels incomplete (which they are). Perhaps not right now but in the future it would be cool if they finally dealt with the OD to tie up the whole story of Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.

[Chaos Rush]

Lugia is the trio master of the Legendary Birds

wtf? There is no evidence of this in any main series Pokémon game whatsoever.

what im wondering is why in the heck are the lake trio in unova anyway isnt there some kind of plot reason for them to stay in sinnoh? unless ofcourse their trainer took them there and even then if their trainer were to release them in unova wouldnt they instinctivly try head back to sinnoh for the same plot reason?

Legendaries aren't singularly unique Pokémon. The only Pokémon that are 100% confirmed to be the only of of their kind is Mewtwo, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, and Genesect (in the games, I don't care about the anime). Platinum and HG/SS proved that there's multiple sets of Legendary Birds, I don't see any problem with having multiple Lake Trios.

[*~Silver*~]

Legendaries aren't singularly unique Pokémon. The only Pokémon that are 100% confirmed to be the only of of their kind is Mewtwo, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, and Genesect (in the games, I don't care about the anime). Platinum and HG/SS proved that there's multiple sets of Legendary Birds, I don't see any problem with having multiple Lake Trios.

Yeah. I've always thought of there to be only one Mew though. I don't understand why, but I just feel like there's one and only one Mew...
I don't think that's actually true though, because you're right, it hasn't been confirmed.

[rocky505]

wtf? There is no evidence of this in any main series Pokémon game whatsoever.

It's been shown in other games that it is though like in MD, where you have to befriend the birds to get Lugia.

[R_N]

It's been shown in other games that it is though like in MD, where you have to befriend the birds to get Lugia.

Only the spin-offs do this, if only so Lugia doesn't get left out of the fun of "Hey encounter these three so you can find this other thing." Spin-offs take enough liberties as is

And, thinking on it, PMD1 is the only spin off to do anything with it. PMD2 had Lugia just be one of the things that can show up with the Enigma part, PMD3 doesn't have the legendary birds at all, Guardian Signs never made the connection (requiring all 300, not specifically the birds), and so on.

[Aurath8]

wtf? There is no evidence of this in any main series Pokémon game whatsoever.

Aside form the spin-offs it was also shown quite vividly in the 2nd movie that Lugia was the trio master.

Legendaries aren't singularly unique Pokémon. The only Pokémon that are 100% confirmed to be the only of of their kind is Mewtwo, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, and Genesect (in the games, I don't care about the anime). Platinum and HG/SS proved that there's multiple sets of Legendary Birds, I don't see any problem with having multiple Lake Trios.

Is suppose you could add Arceus to that list and Giritina as it's the only inhabitant of the Distortion World and was specifically banished there according to its pokedex entry. Dilaga and Palkia are up in the air but I'd assume there's only one of them.

[Chaos Rush]

Aside form the spin-offs it was also shown quite vividly in the 2nd movie that Lugia was the trio master.

Read my original quote:

There is no evidence of this in any main series Pokémon game whatsoever.

main series Pokémon game

My point still stands, it is never mentioned at all in any main series Pokémon game that Lugia is the "master" of the Legendary Birds. Spinoffs and anime are handled by different companies, and are a separate canon from the main series games made by Game Freak.

Heck, it is generally believed that Ho-oh is the master of the Legendary Dogs, but one can interpret from in-game dialogue that within Pokémon Silver and Pokémon SoulSilver, Lugia is the master of the Legendary Dogs (NPC old man in Ecruteak City leaves the Pokémon he saw unnamed, Game Freak most likely intended for the player to interpret the Pokémon he's describing as the same one on your boxart, that is - Ho-oh for Pokémon Gold, and Lugia for Pokémon Silver) .

Is suppose you could add Arceus to that list and Giritina as it's the only inhabitant of the Distortion World and was specifically banished there according to its pokedex entry. Dilaga and Palkia are up in the air but I'd assume there's only one of them.

Well the thing is, the whole thing about Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina is that they're all just Sinnoh myths. Meaning only some Sinnoh-ians believe in that. Also HG/SS shows that there can be more than one Dialga/Palkia/Giratina, whether the Cynthia event is canon or not, that event is totally unnecessary when you think about it, so basically Game Freak went out of their way just to say there can be more than one Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.

[Excitable Boy]

Legendaries aren't singularly unique Pokémon. The only Pokémon that are 100% confirmed to be the only of of their kind is Mewtwo, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, and Genesect (in the games, I don't care about the anime). Platinum and HG/SS proved that there's multiple sets of Legendary Birds, I don't see any problem with having multiple Lake Trios.

Well the thing is, the whole thing about Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina is that they're all just Sinnoh myths. Meaning only some Sinnoh-ians believe in that. Also HG/SS shows that there can be more than one Dialga/Palkia/Giratina, whether the Cynthia event is canon or not, that event is totally unnecessary when you think about it, so basically Game Freak went out of their way just to say there can be more than one Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.

How do we know that there aren't multiple Tao trios running around, if they're just an Unovan myth?

There's no reason to suggest that there must be multiple Lake trios running around, considering that it's heavily implied the ones in Unova are the same as the ones in Sinnoh and no character owns their own member, not even in the Battle Subway.

IMO, while it's entirely possible that there are multiples of any non-Mewtwo/Genesect legendary, I would assume that there is only one of each legendary unless it is specifically shown that there are multiples. Right now, the only legendaries that we can confirm there are multiples of would be Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres, Raikou/Entei/Suicune, Ho-oh and Lugia, Regirock/Regice/Registeel, Lati@s, Cresselia, Heatran, Regigigas, Manaphy, Phione, Cobalion/Terrakion/Virizion, and Tornadus/Thundurus/Landorus. There's nothing to suggest so far that there are multiples of any other legendary.