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    Quote Originally Posted by Grei View Post
    I personally don't think Zekrom and Reshiram will be available for capture if this is a sequel. Canonically, N owns one dragon and the player character owns the other. GameFreak can't just be like "Oh derp here's another Zekrom for you who is N what" because them catching the dragons is a part of the story.
    Maybe they release them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    Maybe they release them.
    That could be possible, based on N's beliefs, or the such. There would need to be a considerable explanation as to why, though.

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    One for the player in bw. He/she has no use for reshiram/zekrom anymore so they release it. N will see what he did was wrong and he'd release his to try and fix what he did. But you'd need to throw ghetsis in there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icy Meteor View Post
    Areas would be quite simple to combine, as Mistralton could have both greenhouses and fields and Opelucid City could easily have futuristic and natural estates. And if it was Grey instead of B2/W2 then it would obviously be the player that obtains Kyurem whilst N would obtain Reshiram or Zekrom. So I do think it would be quite easy if it was one version.
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    Considering that both games are treated as alternate realities (or timelines?), that wouldn't work. Now that I think about it, BW2 would have been the only logical way to continue.
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    Who says that there couldn't have possibly been a third alternate reality or timeline as you put it if there was a Grey version released?
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    Because that would defeat the whole purpose of Black and White. So I guess to answer your question: GameFreak.
    A "Gray" version could simply present the player with a question at the beginning, maybe even in the first confrontation with N, regarding what he/she believes more in: ideals or truth?
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    So Black/White Kyurem will be available in White/Black, right? Since it's coded in or whatever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebevan91 View Post
    So Black/White Kyurem will be available in White/Black, right? Since it's coded in or whatever...
    No. Was giratina-o in dp? Was skymin? Or any of the rotom formes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    No. Was giratina-o in dp? Was skymin? Or any of the rotom formes?
    Well, I have no idea since I never played DP. Only Platinum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebevan91 View Post
    Well, I have no idea since I never played DP. Only Platinum.
    Theres no such thing as Origin Forme Giratina, Sky Forme Shaymin, and there was no Heat/Frost/Cut/whatever Rotom in Diamond/Pearl. Those forms was only in games after Diamond/Pearl.

    Black/White Kyurem does not exist in Black/White or else we would know about it as soon as the games were out.

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    I love how the new kyurim forms look. I hope that you can catch both zekrom and reshiram in both games. I also hope there will be another event to catch victini because I never really used it D=

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceBreaker View Post
    This is just my first observation from just seeing the Kyurem/Reshiram and Kyurem/Zekrom promos is that i thought it had looked like Kyurem had split into two parts and joined with the current legendaries to make them stronger maybe?
    Just look though for example, Kyurem is mostly grey but featuring the blue/grey body parts like the wings and the head. However the new legendaries only have the blue/grey aspects added onto them.
    If you use the head of Kyurem it seems to have split up between the two, Zekrom has seen to have the top half of its head whereas Reshiram seems to have the lower half.
    Any thoughts?
    Looks more like a left/ right split to me but I agree. Reshiram has its right side Kyurem'd and Zekrom has Kyurem fused to its left side. Which kinda seems to add up what with reshiram and zekrom meant to have split from one dragon. Maybe we will see this one dragon.

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    with all the commotion about the new kyurem forms.i completely forgot about victini. it might play a bigger role this game
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    I'm sorry if this has been mentioned, but oh well.

    Is it possible that when Masuda mentioned Black Kyurem and White Kyurem as seperate pokemon, he actually meant that they would be their own pokemon in the Pokedex and not just forms of Kyurem?

    Instead, could the form placeholder that Kyurem has, be the 'Ultimate Dragon' from the legend and not the new forms?

    Also, could these 2 new pokemon be alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom and not Kyurem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CakeMixXIII View Post
    I'm sorry if this has been mentioned, but oh well.

    Is it possible that when Masuda mentioned Black Kyurem and White Kyurem as seperate pokemon, he actually meant that they would be their own pokemon in the Pokedex and not just forms of Kyurem?

    Instead, could the form placeholder that Kyurem has, be the 'Ultimate Dragon' from the legend and not the new forms?

    Also, could these 2 new pokemon be alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom and not Kyurem?
    How many times, do we have to say this? They are not separate Pokemon.
    They are Kyurem Formes. They are still numbered 646. Why call them "Kyurem" to begin with?

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    I know many are confused over Masuda's comments about these beign Legendary Pokémon to the point that people think they are new, I just received the assets from NOE

    They are named

    646_BlackKyurem
    646_WhiteKyurem

    This proves that they are forms and not seperate Pokémon. Obvious, I know, but still...worth noting
    So, people, please stop this "Black/White Kyurem are not formes" discussion.

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    I'm sorry, but this could be true about them being new Pokemon. Masuda could have just called them B/W Kyurem because of the movie. Maybe in the movie B/W Kyurem are actually Zekrom/Reshiram things, I don't know how to explain that. I think they're forms, but I'm not taking one side, I look into both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grei View Post
    I personally don't think Zekrom and Reshiram will be available for capture if this is a sequel. Canonically, N owns one dragon and the player character owns the other. GameFreak can't just be like "Oh derp here's another Zekrom for you who is N what" because them catching the dragons is a part of the story.
    Haven't they pretty much already done that with previous games? Platinum allowed us to catch the Legendaries already caught in D/P, HGSS allowed us to catch the Legendaries already caught in FRLG in addition to granting us one of the Legendaries from Hoenn and Sinnoh. Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Kyogre, Groudon, Zapdos, Articuno, and Rayquaza were all caught as part of the story and we were still allowed to catch them again later on. So it doesn't seem like it wold be strange for them to do it again this time around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TsukiMirage View Post
    Haven't they pretty much already done that with previous games? Platinum allowed us to catch the Legendaries already caught in D/P, HGSS allowed us to catch the Legendaries already caught in FRLG in addition to granting us one of the Legendaries from Hoenn and Sinnoh. Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Kyogre, Groudon, Zapdos, Articuno, and Rayquaza were all caught as part of the story and we were still allowed to catch them again later on. So it doesn't seem like it wold be strange for them to do it again this time around.
    I would like to point out that Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum are closer to remakes then sequels. Black 2 and White 2 could very well be actual sequels. Also: in other games, the legendaries were never explicitly caught. This was the case in Black and White. If Black/White 2 are sequels, it would go against established canon.

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    I know this probably won't sit well with everyone else, but I'm going to say it anyway: I dislike Kyurem's new forms. I had always thought of Kyurem as a decent Legendary Pokemon; maybe a little misshapen, but still interesting. However, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have actually made me hate the species. The new forms are essentially Reshiram and Zekrom with parts of Kyurem attached; when I saw them, I was immediately reminded of the Pokemon fusions that Northern Lights used to do. Kyurem notwithstanding, I am looking forward to a possible new form for Keldeo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarro57 View Post
    I'm sorry, but this could be true about them being new Pokemon. Masuda could have just called them B/W Kyurem because of the movie. Maybe in the movie B/W Kyurem are actually Zekrom/Reshiram things, I don't know how to explain that. I think they're forms, but I'm not taking one side, I look into both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th KIRA View Post
    I know this probably won't sit well with everyone else, but I'm going to say it anyway: I dislike Kyurem's new forms. I had always thought of Kyurem as a decent Legendary Pokemon; maybe a little misshapen, but still interesting. However, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have actually made me hate the species. The new forms are essentially Reshiram and Zekrom with parts of Kyurem attached; when I saw them, I was immediately reminded of the Pokemon fusions that Northern Lights used to do. Kyurem notwithstanding, I am looking forward to a possible new form for Keldeo.
    Everyone's entitled to their opinions, I like Kyurem's new forms I think they look pretty creative I actually like them more than Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know about Keldeo getting a new form it would be interesting to say the least but I don't think any data for a new form was found in the coding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarro57 View Post
    I'm sorry, but this could be true about them being new Pokemon. Masuda could have just called them B/W Kyurem because of the movie. Maybe in the movie B/W Kyurem are actually Zekrom/Reshiram things, I don't know how to explain that. I think they're forms, but I'm not taking one side, I look into both sides.
    They are FORMS. I don't see why people are having such a hard time understanding that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th KIRA View Post
    Kyurem notwithstanding, I am looking forward to a possible new form for Keldeo.
    Keldeo's not getting a new forme. In DP, there was forme code for Rotom, Shaymin and Giratina. In BW, the same type of code existed for Kyurem, but not any others. There aren't going to be any new formes this generation, unless they make a fourth one for Kyurem (which I really doubt.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th KIRA View Post
    I know this probably won't sit well with everyone else, but I'm going to say it anyway: I dislike Kyurem's new forms. I had always thought of Kyurem as a decent Legendary Pokemon; maybe a little misshapen, but still interesting. However, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have actually made me hate the species. The new forms are essentially Reshiram and Zekrom with parts of Kyurem attached; when I saw them, I was immediately reminded of the Pokemon fusions that Northern Lights used to do. Kyurem notwithstanding, I am looking forward to a possible new form for Keldeo.
    I'm with you here. When I first saw the forms, I though they were okay, until I noticed it really looked like someone had decided to glue on Kyurem parts to the right & left halves. I especially dislike black Kyurem now taking the hunched stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th KIRA View Post
    I know this probably won't sit well with everyone else, but I'm going to say it anyway: I dislike Kyurem's new forms. I had always thought of Kyurem as a decent Legendary Pokemon; maybe a little misshapen, but still interesting. However, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have actually made me hate the species. The new forms are essentially Reshiram and Zekrom with parts of Kyurem attached; when I saw them, I was immediately reminded of the Pokemon fusions that Northern Lights used to do. Kyurem notwithstanding, I am looking forward to a possible new form for Keldeo.
    You're not the only one who dislikes them. It really seems as if Game Freak, and Nintendo, jumped the shark. It was evident that design ingenuity has declined. With these new "forms", however, it's become blatantly obvious. They look like some 12-year-old learned how to use Photoshop.

    I really hope these are just incomplete forms. If they are, though, it just raises more questions. I hope for more info soon. I'm curious as to where this goes. Hopefully this goes to a pleasant surprise, and not a let down.

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    Does anyone know exactly how the coding for shiny Pokemon works? Meaning, based on Black & White's coding, it's not possible to obtain a shiny Reshiram or Zekrom, correct? If that's the case isn't it possible that we could be given the opportunity to catch them again with them having the possibility of being shiny? They do have shiny formes. Or could we expect an event?

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    Meh, Only reason there was speculation of forms or not is because it was posted on the sight originally as two new pokemon.
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    I'm guess the formes aren't the original dragon which I was wasn't expecting darn these games are so mysterious
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