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    Quote Originally Posted by Ver-mont View Post
    Character design is important, as someone already said. Plus, some years have passed, and I don't think the characters have become immune to the effects of time or something. They aged. If they all changed a lot between FRLG and HGSS, it's only logical for them to change between HGSS and BW. It's understandable that we're disappointed they're just using the same designs, because it seems a little... lazy... to do it like that.

    Not to mention Giovanni's presence, that I will need a very good explanation to buy.

    But who knows, maybe the World Tournament ends up being awesome anyway.
    It's just a shame that some details could have made it better.
    It's entirely optional fanservice and chances are the vast majority of the characters wont be seen unless you download them. Why bother creating updated designs & entirely new sprites for what amounts to ~40 extremely brief cameos that will get maybe 2 lines each. 1 of which will probably be "Hey I'm _______ from _______. I like ______ types."

    The only character that should have an update is Giovanni's artwork and that's solely because he should have already have had one just by virtue of his updated HGSS appearance. He & Zen Mode Darmanitan are the only glaring ommisions from the artwork collection.

    I mean I guess they could have implemented these dozens of characters into the storyline, given them all new designs, given them all substantial dialog but why bother? It would take away from the rest of the actual Unova cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    Watch they are all 'simulated' holographs by Akchromeswirlyhair to give the illusion of them.
    That would be a good excuse for them having the same appearance after 6~7 years..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep View Post
    That would be a good excuse for them having the same appearance after 6~7 years..
    Or maybe people in the Pokemon world just age at a slower rate. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    Or maybe people in the Pokemon world just age at a slower rate. *shrug*
    Starting from HGSS, until then they at least changed clothes.

    Quote Originally Posted by R_N View Post
    It's entirely optional fanservice and chances are the vast majority of the characters wont be seen unless you download them. Why bother creating updated designs & entirely new sprites for what amounts to ~40 extremely brief cameos that will get maybe 2 lines each. 1 of which will probably be "Hey I'm _______ from _______. I like ______ types."
    I know it, that's what I said; it's not like the World Tournament is doomed, but it could have been way better than a fanservice gimmick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    Or maybe people in the Pokemon world just age at a slower rate. *shrug*
    That would be acceptable. Perhaps the people in the Pokémon world are like Japanese people.
    In the anime they eat only vegetables, what would support this "theory" haha.

    But the fact that they don't change clothes... is too much for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    Or maybe people in the Pokemon world just age at a slower rate. *shrug*
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    Ash doesn't age slowly, he ages backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep View Post
    That would be acceptable. Perhaps the people in the Pokémon world are like Japanese people.
    In the anime they eat only vegetables, what would support this "theory" haha.

    But the fact that they don't change clothes... is too much for me.
    Some people change clothes; Elesa, Ghetsis, Cheren, Bianca, Lance, Blue (FRLG -> HGSS), etc. It's just that for most other characters, it's easier to keep their outfits the same for simplicity's sake. Even a lot of Unova characters' outfits haven't changed; N and Alder being good examples. I think it's mostly because their outfits are supposed to reflect their personality to a degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    Some people change clothes; Elesa, Ghetsis, Cheren, Bianca, Lance, Blue (FRLG -> HGSS), etc. It's just that for most other characters, it's easier to keep their outfits the same for simplicity's sake. Even a lot of Unova characters' outfits haven't changed; N and Alder being good examples. I think it's mostly because their outfits are supposed to reflect their personality to a degree.
    I am talking about the characters that are coming back to this WT.

    Elesa, Skyla, Ghetsis, Cheren and Bianca are major characters of B2W2... And Lance was a major character of Kanto-Johto saga.
    Different cases, I would say.

    With a 1-2 years between two games, not changing outfits isn't a big deal for most characters, that are adults.
    But the kids like Cheren, Bianca, Iris... they need new character designs.

    But 6~7 years passed since DPPt/HGSS... not changing at least the outfit of the characters is absurd. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep View Post
    But 6~7 years passed since DPPt/HGSS... not changing at least the outfit of the characters is absurd. xD
    Yeah they could have at least got new clothes, look at Blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedeino View Post
    Yeah they could have at least got new clothes, look at Blue.
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    All they did was turn him a little and raise his arm, he didn't even change clothes.
    Actually...the HGSS sprite you posted is only 1 of a 3 frame animation, the BW2 Pose is the final pose of the HGSS animation.

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    Or the reason no one changed is because it's not canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    Or the reason no one changed is because it's not canon.
    Actually, I think there's a good chance that it is canon, as it is the subject of Cynthia's mention of a "gathering of champions" in Black and White. However, that does not necessarily mean that all of the involved participants need be canon (especially any downloadable ones).

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    What I'm saying is that if it was canon then there would be differences in the past trainers. Unless bw/b2w2 take place in a different universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    What I'm saying is that if it was canon then there would be differences in the past trainers. Unless bw/b2w2 take place in a different universe.
    Not necessarily. It would just mean that Game Freak chose not to give them new artwork because it's not a part of the "main story." It can still be very much canon. Or it could not be. Since it's a side-game, it's canonicity is really up to interpretation.
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    It's good to see some people have different sprites but not everybody needs to be wearing different clothes

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    Firstly, I think the ship is too symmetrical for that to be ice. I think it is just a trimming on the design.

    Also, as for the character designs at the world tournament, wasn't something about time said through it? So maybe they are just battle simulations. I definitely think there is a reason, game freak have not just been lazy, because they have to do many frames of artwork for the battle animations now, so if they have to make that many new frames, why not just give them new designs? Because they are sims. Just a theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dat Ash View Post
    Firstly, I think the ship is too symmetrical for that to be ice. I think it is just a trimming on the design.

    Also, as for the character designs at the world tournament, wasn't something about time said through it? So maybe they are just battle simulations. I definitely think there is a reason, game freak have not just been lazy, because they have to do many frames of artwork for the battle animations now, so if they have to make that many new frames, why not just give them new designs? Because they are sims. Just a theory.
    That's a fairly common hypothesis, yes, but what a lot of people forget is that in BW1, the real Cynthia mentioned that every few years, high-profile trainers from various regions get together and hold a tournament to see who's the strongest. Since the World Tournament is what she was referring to, that would mean that the participants are, in fact, the genuine article.
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    Theory only, based on the last couple posts (but even I don't believe it lol):

    Seeing how the building has just cropped up in the two years between BW and BW2, the World Tournament is pretty much guaranteed to have been held somewhere else before it's current location in Unova. It's possible that the building hasn't been finished long enough for the next tournament to be held, so we battle sim data from the LAST tournament. Any Unovian trainers with their current designs could be handwaved as saying it was easy for them to come in early and test the system, and as a result their database was updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanteKoriyu View Post
    Theory only, based on the last couple posts (but even I don't believe it lol):

    Seeing how the building has just cropped up in the two years between BW and BW2, the World Tournament is pretty much guaranteed to have been held somewhere else before it's current location in Unova. It's possible that the building hasn't been finished long enough for the next tournament to be held, so we battle sim data from the LAST tournament. Any Unovian trainers with their current designs could be handwaved as saying it was easy for them to come in early and test the system, and as a result their database was updated.
    The building could be where the desert used to be...but thats unlikely since its not on the map. Maybe its on a Island like the ones seen near Undella. Possibly considering thats where Cynthia was in BW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    Or the reason no one changed is because it's not canon.
    Achroma is battled there judging by the trailers, so the tournament is canon as is everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    Or the reason no one changed is because it's not canon.
    That would explain a lot, but Achroma is battled there and I think Cynthia made a reference to something similar in BW... but if they really don't give any explanation (as to how the Tournament was created, why no one's changed, or at least why a wanted criminal is taking part), the World Tournament will be Fanon Discontinuity to me, personally, even if it's treated as canon.

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    When was it said Achroma was battled there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    When was it said Achroma was battled there?
    We see him on stage at one point
    One of the earlier screens

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_N View Post
    We see him on stage at one point
    One of the earlier screens
    And in some kind of Plasma HQ too! Man, that dude is popping up everywhere.

    I also get the impression from that little trailer clip of him up close flipping his book shut that he'll be the one to give us the 'welcome to the pokemon world, what was your name again?...' etc spiel at the beginning of the game.
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