Gameplay Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Izanagi]

Does anyone feel as if that it seems there are a few routes that we would go through in BW2?

No, it is not just you but we probably be able to access all the routes at some point the game one way or the other.

[The Eleventh]

This sprite appears to show its left whisker to be a lot longer than its right one. For shame.

Now I'll never be able to unsee this.

It'll be nice to see new animations for some Pokémon (I doubt all of them will get new animated sprites). Oshawott's new one is quite good, but I hope they don't go over the top with some.

Nah, what bothers me is none of the characters aging between DPP/HGSS and B2W2.
But I will pretend that the characters were brought by Celebi, from the past, to the WT.

Celebi confirmed for BW2.

[Pilpulp]

Does anyone feel as if that it seems there are a few routes that we would go through in BW2?

Yea, I think there will be more uses of the Plane (Cough, Mistraltion to that port in the mountain) and Boats (Cough, Virbank to Castellia). Probably more caves too. I'm also counting on more water paths, but that would count as a route. I would like to see a mix of, Routes/Caves/Seas. Not just routes the whole way.

[kemal07]

Now I'll never be able to unsee this.

It'll be nice to see new animations for some Pokémon (I doubt all of them will get new animated sprites). Oshawott's new one is quite good, but I hope they don't go over the top with some.


Celebi confirmed for BW2.

Celebi confirmed for BW2??? Really? Where'd this come from

[GoldCyndaquil]

Celebi confirmed for BW2??? Really? Where'd this come from

'Twas a joke -_-

[Kall El]

Unno: Yes. Having people compare the two is one of the major draws this time round. Please go ahead and do things such as compare the maps and standing in the same place in the same town. There are many small changes prepared for you that will leave you with a grin on your face, so I think it would be nice to have a look around.

*Grins* I love the detail and little changes, so this makes me happy :]
Iwata asks columns, are always fun to read.

[Endolise]

Emerald is the cannon version. Ruby and Sapphire cannot both be cannon, they contradict each other. I thought the third versions are always the cannon versions. Which is why I have a problem with B&W not having a third version.

Try to think of it like this:
~Universe 1 Timeline: FireRed/Ruby(?) -> HeartGold/Platinum -> Black -> Black 2
~Universe 2 Timeline: LeafGreen/Sapphire(?) -> SoulSilver/Platinum -> White -> White 2

Since the timeline seemingly splits when either Unovan brother defeats the other, this would account for the differences in each timeline, like Team Aqua being Villainous and Opelucid choosing to appreciate tradition over technology in Universe 2. Technically, this dual-universe view was implied to be the actual case in BW, with the Charge Battery man in Opelucid who wanted to access the opposite version's Opelucid, and with references in White Version to Black City existing somewhere.

Furthermore, assuming this timeline is correct, it would explain why Kyogre appears in HeartGold and Groudon in SoulSilver; in Universe 1, Groudon was already captured during the events of Ruby, leaving only Kyogre and Rayquaza to be captured (since the capture of Rayquaza isn't necessarily canonical in ANY version) in HG, with the opposite being true for Universe 2.

Nah, what bothers me is none of the characters aging between DPP/HGSS and B2W2.
But I will pretend that the characters were brought by Celebi, from the past, to the WT.

...No offense, but how is that less outrageous than believing GF simply didn't bother to update the sprites because a thirty-second appearance doesn't exactly merit a complete revision, especially when the sprites are nothing more than aesthetics meant to represent a character's presence in the story? I would just be happy that they didn't give them the Cerulean Rocket Grunt treatment and stick them with, say, generic Veteran sprites.

[Nyarlathotep]

...No offense, but how is that less outrageous than believing GF simply didn't bother to update the sprites because a thirty-second appearance doesn't exactly merit a complete revision, especially when the sprites are nothing more than aesthetics meant to represent a character's presence in the story? I would just be happy that they didn't give them the Cerulean Rocket Grunt treatment and stick them with, say, generic Veteran sprites.

We all know that GF didn't bother because they are lazy and they don't give a sh*t about Pokémon plot/storyline/timeline. I am just trying to accept the feature better, pretending that there is a reason for the characters not having aged after more than five years. Don't take it too seriously. What I posted sounds absurd? Yes, it does. But a lot of aspects of the series are more than absurd. Honestly, the fact that the characters are with the same old appearance in B2W2 is one of the biggest fails in the franchise. I am not like you guys that accept everything GF does with a smile in the face. They made sh*t in this WT, but I am trying to see the good aspects of it. But again, don't take what I said too seriously.

By the way, why would I get offended by this?

[Kall El]

...No offense, but how is that less outrageous than believing GF simply didn't bother to update the sprites because a thirty-second appearance doesn't exactly merit a complete revision, especially when the sprites are nothing more than aesthetics meant to represent a character's presence in the story? I would just be happy that they didn't give them the Cerulean Rocket Grunt treatment and stick them with, say, generic Veteran sprites.

Agreed. I don't see why not having updated sprites is that much of a bad thing.
Yeah it would certainly be accepted, but the inclusion of past characters in the WT Feature should alone be enough.

[Endolise]

We all know that GF didn't bother because they are lazy and they don't give a sh*t about Pokémon plot/storyline/timeline. I am just trying to accept the feature better, pretending that there is a reason for the characters not having aged after more than five years. Don't take it too seriously. What I posted sounds absurd? Yes, it does. But a lot of aspects of the series are more than absurd. Honestly, the fact that the characters are with the same old appearance in B2W2 is one of the biggest fails in the franchise. I am not like you guys that accept anything GF does with a smile in the face. They made sh*t in this WT, but I am trying to see the good aspects of it. But again, don't take what I said so seriously.

By the way, why would I get offended by this?

Eh, I didn't really think you would get offended, since I know you're more rational than that. I was just covering my bases. Besides, I didn't think you were being totally serious either; just offering a little perspective. Like when people were suggesting that Celebi/Dialga were responsible for Mewtwo's appearance in Conquest; obviously they weren't being serious since it's a spin-off that doesn't have to have regard for the main continuity. :P

[Shine]

Try to think of it like this:
~Universe 1 Timeline: FireRed/Ruby(?) -> HeartGold/Platinum -> Black -> Black 2
~Universe 2 Timeline: LeafGreen/Sapphire(?) -> SoulSilver/Platinum -> White -> White 2

Since the timeline seemingly splits when either Unovan brother defeats the other, this would account for the differences in each timeline, like Team Aqua being Villainous and Opelucid choosing to appreciate tradition over technology in Universe 2. Technically, this dual-universe view was implied to be the actual case in BW, with the Charge Battery man in Opelucid who wanted to access the opposite version's Opelucid, and with references in White Version to Black City existing somewhere.

Furthermore, assuming this timeline is correct, it would explain why Kyogre appears in HeartGold and Groudon in SoulSilver; in Universe 1, Groudon was already captured during the events of Ruby, leaving only Kyogre and Rayquaza to be captured (since the capture of Rayquaza isn't necessarily canonical in ANY version) in HG, with the opposite being true for Universe 2.

This is actually one of the best theory I've seen so far

[Nyarlathotep]

Like when people were suggesting that Celebi/Dialga were responsible for Mewtwo's appearance in Conquest; obviously they weren't being serious since it's a spin-off that doesn't have to have regard for the main continuity. :P

Well, being serious or not, it is nice to bring up this crazy theories. Almost everything in the Pokémon World is possible, after all.

Anyway, what I don't understand is how someone is OK with the usage of the old appearances of the characters.
I mean, am I the only one (besides Ver-mont) that cares about a bit of coherence in this franchise?

...you know what? Let's move one, I don't really like this subject. Let the ones who don't care about the story/plot play and enjoy the WT and the ones who care, create absurd theories like mine to justify Game Freak's biggest fail.

@Edit: I agree with the user above, your timeline theory is really interesting. I never applied a "timeline split" perspective when thinking about Pokémon plot.

[Endolise]

Well, being serious or not, it is nice to bring up this crazy theories. Almost everything in the Pokémon World is possible, after all.

Anyway, what I don't understand is how someone is OK with the usage of the old appearances of the characters.
I mean, am I the only one (besides Ver-mont) that cares about a bit of coherence in this franchise?

...you know what? Let's move one, I don't really like this subject. Let the ones who don't care about the story/plot play and enjoy the WT and the ones who care, create absurd theories like mine to justify Game Freak's biggest fail.

@Edit: I agree with the user above, your timeline theory is really interesting. I never applied a "timeline split" perspective when thinking about Pokémon plot.

1) Well, yes, I suppose you're right; anything IS possible.

2) I guess you two just care...more? Maybe? Anyway, you're right; the debate is cyclical and doesn't really accomplish anything.

3) Thank you. Multiverses/theoretical physics stuff is one of my little hobbies.

[Nyarlathotep]

So... Misty is jumping and blinking in her new sprite, if I remember right.
I wonder what the other characters that came from the past will be doing in their sprites?

I would love love love to see the Hoenn characters in this game, just because their sprites were BORING in the games they appeared.
The animation adds a lot of personality to them.

[Endolise]

So... Misty is jumping and blinking in her new sprite, if I remember right.
I wonder what the other characters that came from the past will be doing in their sprites?

I would love love love to see the Hoenn characters in this game, just because their sprites were BORING in the games they appeared.
The animation adds a lot of personality to them.

I just hope Koga is in, even though it doesn't look like he will be at present. Gaaaah his entrance is so cool. x)

I too hope that the Hoenn leaders will appear (if not, then what would Steven be the Champion of?), but even if they don't, it might be safe to say that they'll receive fully-animated sprites in the remakes, if GF decides to retain the FA sprites.

...What about Liza & Tate? They only do double battles...if it were me, I'd replace them with Juan and have Wallace be the 8th Gym Leader.

[Wulava]

I just hope Koga is in, even though it doesn't look like he will be at present. Gaaaah his entrance is so cool. x)

I too hope that the Hoenn leaders will appear (if not, then what would Steven be the Champion of?), but even if they don't, it might be safe to say that they'll receive fully-animated sprites in the remakes, if GF decides to retain the FA sprites.

...What about Liza & Tate? They only do double battles...if it were me, I'd replace them with Juan and have Wallace be the 8th Gym Leader.

If the Elite Four aren't present, Koga/Janine might be version exclusives. Same with Wallace/Juan.
As for Tate & Liza, I think they'll disregard them being double and have them do a single battle for the heck of it.

[Endolise]

If the Elite Four aren't present, Koga/Janine might be version exclusives. Same with Wallace/Juan.
As for Tate & Liza, I think they'll disregard them being double and have them do a single battle for the heck of it.

That's a good point. If they did do that, then I could definitely see them offering the opposite-version leader to the game that didn't receive them via download, like the recent Reshiram/Zekrom giveaway.

[Nyarlathotep]

I just hope Koga is in, even though it doesn't look like he will be at present. Gaaaah his entrance is so cool. x)

I too hope that the Hoenn leaders will appear (if not, then what would Steven be the Champion of?), but even if they don't, it might be safe to say that they'll receive fully-animated sprites in the remakes, if GF decides to retain the FA sprites.

...What about Liza & Tate? They only do double battles...if it were me, I'd replace them with Juan and have Wallace be the 8th Gym Leader.

About Koga's sprite... Can they possibly make it cooler? His entrance along Shizui and Aaron's are easily the bests. I also hope that Hoenn E4 is in the game, just because Drake is too awesome to be left out. If the remakes will be released for the DS, I guess they will keep the fully-animated sprites... But if they keep it for Gen VI on the 3DS, I have a feeling they will start using 3D rendered characters, like in the GC/Wii spin-off games.

And Liza & Tate may fight separated in the World Tournament...

[diakyu]

...you know what? Let's move one, I don't really like this subject. Let the ones who don't care about the story/plot play and enjoy the WT and the ones who care, create absurd theories like mine to justify Game Freak's biggest fail.

Since when was the world tournament a fail? It's pure fanservice, and I see no problem with it.

[Endolise]

About Koga's sprite... Can they possibly make it cooler? His entrance along Shizui and Aaron's are easily the bests. I also hope that Hoenn E4 is in the game, just because Drake is too awesome to be left out. If the remakes will be released for the DS, I guess they will keep the fully-animated sprites... But if they keep it for Gen VI on the 3DS, I have a feeling they will start using 3D rendered characters, like in the GC/Wii spin-off games.

Liza & Tate may fight separated in the World Tournament...

Yeah, I love how much more dynamic it seems.
I'd love to face Drake again; he reminds me of a more-rugged, battle-hardened Drayden. I'm still wondering what three Pokemon they will give to each competitor, though.

I read somewhere on hear that they would be sticking with sprites for a good while longer, but I don't remember who posted that or where they found it.

Possibly, but that'd give Hoenn what, 10 potential Gym Leaders?
EDIT: Then again, I suppose that's still not more than Kanto or Unova can lay claim to.