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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraMaster View Post
    XD made it work.

    Wit that said though there going to need to have a few new leaders though. Can't be a new game with the same old leaders. Hopefully they keep the good gym leaders Elesa and Skyla but give them older pokemon andn ot just Unova ones since it would make sense. I wish they would make the league like the anime where you battle trainers that are strong and can switch pokemon.

    I also wish they would use anie rules like 3 on 3 instead of you using all of your pokemon against a trainer who only has 2.
    WHAT WHAT WHAT... I do not like sound of this. I liked Unovian Gym leaders... Hey since Gym leaders don't really effect Pokemon story line. ( Even in BW, indiviual gym leader did not effect story line that much) I believe we can have new storyline with old Gym leaders. But maybe have their personality change little bit?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty05 View Post
    WHAT WHAT WHAT... I do not like sound of this. I liked Unovian Gym leaders... Hey since Gym leaders don't really effect Pokemon story line. ( Even in BW, indiviual gym leader did not effect story line that much) I believe we can have new storyline with old Gym leaders. But maybe have their personality change little bit?
    If they bring back the old leaders I don't think we'd see a change in their personality, that would be a little odd. Don't you think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TWN View Post
    I disagree, the gym system is getting boring and repetitive. I'm surprised it lasted this long. Storyline-related villains would be more captivating and interesting as bosses than treading the gyms again.

    There is a formula to Pokemon that needs to remain unchanged to make it fun. Gyms are a very disposable part of that formula, if you ask me.

    However, "trophy" items to represent progression within the game (such as badges) are not a disposable part of the Pokemon formula.If they did switch to bosses, there would need to be something parallel to badges to serve as trophies for defeating bosses.

    As long as there new gym leaders and the old ones have a new roster its fine.

    Ubisoft took horses out for AC Revelations and the game just lost a huge feeling to it. It did not have the same magic the other 3 games had.

    So keep gyms but add more story

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    I have to say, I think it's odd how we've gotten little information for a game that's coming out in three short months. All we know is that it's a sequel starring Kyurem. We don't even know who the main characters are, which region it takes place in, who the antagonists are, etc. At this point I don't think we'll know anything about the game's story until the thing comes out in June.

    I guess this is an experiment on Gamefreak's part to see if giving less information generates more hype. Three months before BW came out we knew about 22 new Pokemon, the main characters, the region, future Wi-Fi events, and N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty05 View Post
    meh... to me the theme of " to be master" and " become strongest" will be always part of frencise. I can see that it may be bit boring but beating Gyms and elite four and becoming champion is part of frenchise... how are you going to have trophys in pokemon world otherwise?
    The gyms could still be a post-game challenge, and thus remain part of the games. I'd like them better in the post-game, since they're not related to the storyline.

    But before the credits, for example, the "trophies" would depend on the plot. For example, we could recieve 8 keys needed to get into a castle, or passes to ride the different trains in the subway (thus getting us to new areas of Unova), etc. Those are random, but it would be something that goes along with the plot to symbolize progression. Badges to represent progression is getting old, in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by DBK View Post
    The gym system is a core part of the game and won't go away any time soon.
    Maybe not, but we've never had sequels mid-generation before. In a sequel, I don't know if Game Freak would put us through the same bosses we fought in the first game. At least not during te main storyline.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrohs View Post
    You're certainly in the minority there. Pokemon wouldn't have continued to do as well as it has if everyone was bored of the same concept over and over.
    It wouldn't be too much of a change. Still eight bosses, still eight "trophies", just more stylized and exciting.

    Quote Originally Posted by AuraMaster View Post
    As long as there new gym leaders and the old ones have a new roster its fine.

    Ubisoft took horses out for AC Revelations and the game just lost a huge feeling to it. It did not have the same magic the other 3 games had.

    So keep gyms but add more story
    It's still boring and repetitive though. Gyms aren't that exciting if you ask me. I'm always ready to get them over with and move on. Boss battle would be much more interesting. And they'd basically be the same as gyms anyway, as I said to Hydrohs.
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    you know this idea beoming a lot like Mario game with keys to castle and stuff. and getting tropies in castle is Gym in anything other then Gym. Plus Gyms are key source to leveling up your pokemon. Apart from reguler battle and rival battle how can you level up your mons during the game without gym? ( don't say wild pokemon and audino. You know it is still not good as trainer battle)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty05 View Post
    you know this idea beoming a lot like Mario game with keys to castle and stuff. and getting tropies in castle is Gym in anything other then Gym. Plus Gyms are key source to leveling up your pokemon. Apart from reguler battle and rival battle how can you level up your mons during the game without gym? ( don't say wild pokemon and audino. You know it is still not good as trainer battle)
    Haha, I'm not actually suggesting that Pokemon use keys to get into a castle; that was just a random example. The trophies would be something that actually made sense in the plot. And like I said, everything would still be parallel to the gym system, it just wouldn't be a building in every town labelled "GYM". You'd still get plenty of training wherever the bosses and their, shall I say, minions are.

    People tend to have an extremely closed mind about the Pokemon games. The gym system is a concept invented before 1996, before a good story could even be told in a portable handheld. Hell, Red and Blue didn't even have much of a story. Now that Pokemon games are getting more visually capable of being cinematic, gyms are beginning to get in the way of good storytelling. And technically, the gym system would still be there, just rebranded to be more exciting. I don't see it as impossible.

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    I would like gyms to not be monotype specialists but instead each have their own style of competitive battling so one gym is a baton pass one and another is a stall one and once you have beaten these gyms you get a TM related to the style as well as select from a collection of pokemon that can perform the style well. These gyms could also train you more so in the style and when you are ready you can challenge the leader, you may possibly have to gradually increase your rank. The leader should also be real challenge, all these elements combine to make beating gyms fulfilling and a challenge, the prospect of getting a new gift pokemon everytime is very exciting. I would also like more in game trades and be able to trade with trainers you have battled, that would be so cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeohopeSTF View Post
    Maybe there could be something like the "Pokemon Arcade" in the park area in Nimbasa.
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    Move tutors and the vs seeker to return. Please gamefreak. Also so some move set changes some of the Unova pokemons were just to shallow. Close combat Samurott anyone? Or submission Emboar, Aura sphere Zoroark. The list goes on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    a. I understand that, but dumbing down the games to the point where no one older than 5 will want to play them is a terrible business decision. Pokemon is a family game, not a kids game. They don't have to do everything we say, sure, but completely ignoring us is going to come back to bite them.

    b. Because adding in Vs. Seeker and Gym Leader rematches will totally **** up the canon. Look, there's absolutely no excuse for what they did with BW1, it's a retarded decision no matter which way you look at it. If they really want to cash in on these games, they should be looking to expand on features instead of saving them for future releases. That way you don't, you know, hurt your sales for the first game. It really speaks to how lazy and greedy they are that they would rather remove certain key features to make future games look better. Pokemon has clearly become a cash cow, even more so than it used to be. And a lot of people are starting to realize this, and I doubt they'll be supporting the series much longer if it continues. I know I sure won't.

    EDIT: Also, isn't a reboot only used when the games are bad and they want to make them better? Because they've done quite the opposite with this game. It's clearly an excuse for their laziness.

    Your comment is quite like the 1st lines of this report:

    I know how ya feel. Yeah sure, it is all on the personal perspective:

    1. the missing features like walking pokemon and VS. seeker we begged many times
    2. the reasons to throw away 2D pixels of the main series when other spin - offs get the 3D graphics. (3D becomes the must of today's mindset)
    3. the addition / repairs that the 1st one have to be done which we said.

    Review:

    It is true it is their art, but in the way I observed their steps of arriving at 3d, I would say they haven't mastered using 3D graphics on the Big main series scale. Maybe they have only mastered using 3D on the short spin - off games. See it as if their video game programmers are still taking Large 3D quizzes. (Large, I mean in a good personal way, using Pokemon battle revolution + Pokedex 3D + Pokemon XD gale of Darkness 3 dimension graphics on the main video games.).

    But of course, maybe you have a good critic eye on the economic side. Gets quite the cashy attitude I bet. But I don't blame them on their designs (even if some of the older fans see then as thinning ideas or the Kanto paradox) of the new pokemon and story, of course we should have already know how they did their 1st games. Selling slow and growing bigger; which is opposite of what happens on the other games that sells dramatically at 1st but lessens at the next couple months. Perhaps this is to buy time and master their 3D skills with efficiency. Probably by the 6th or 7th gen, they can do 3D in very big scales with ease. But let's not forget that some games that heavilly rely on tough software, memory, hardware, and functionality costs higher not only for us consumers but also for the workers too. The other coincidence is that they play things too safe (just like the first Jynx and bellosom coloring. They fear the contradictions of the black and blue colors respectively for a sign of racism)
    maybe its because of the EQ in Japan that disrupted their focus. Or could be other reasons. The changing times perhaps.

    Let's not forget this one word.

    RISKS

    While it is true that risks can make things better for the bad one to be blown out (like the 50% cut on the 3DS) , lets not forget that risks (even carefully planned ones) have a chance to downfall the business of even the mega franchises. Of course we knew that since they are one of the Nintendo brothers, aimed their games for the demographic and young. The point that telling gamefreak to make their main series target the older audiences (the young pokemon players of 1994 - 1996 to be exact) is a good thing too for it to do good business with the different times. But I bet almost all of us haven't asked ourselves these questions.

    If Satoshi Tajiri and Junichi Masuda Decided to target the older audiences using the main series featuring more mature and deeper topics of their age instead of protecting the child from exposure to like death, betrayal, treason, and the like: will it receive criticism and applause about its better innovation? Is it right that we force those leaders to make things that go against their beliefs/philosophies just to please the older fans and the new players of our current time? Is there a chance that they may face a scenario that Miyamoto had too (Like that news report of Super Mario Land 3D that this game of mario Encourages the killing of that certain animal) that they feared?

    I tried answering it. But I bet all of us will say a yes and no at the same time or separately. (Trust me, I haven't even fully answered it yet).

    But let us not forget that Tajiri was Miyamoto's mentor and student. Probably passed it on to Masuda and the other members. Perhaps we may not yet know his entire blueprint about the missing links and innovations. Who knows? Probably reclusive or eccentric perhaps?

    For now, that's all I can discuss to all of you. Feel free to reply to this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stymie View Post
    I would like gyms to not be monotype specialists but instead each have their own style of competitive battling so one gym is a baton pass one and another is a stall one and once you have beaten these gyms you get a TM related to the style as well as select from a collection of pokemon that can perform the style well. These gyms could also train you more so in the style and when you are ready you can challenge the leader, you may possibly have to gradually increase your rank. The leader should also be real challenge, all these elements combine to make beating gyms fulfilling and a challenge, the prospect of getting a new gift pokemon everytime is very exciting. I would also like more in game trades and be able to trade with trainers you have battled, that would be so cool.
    i LOVE this idea. This would make gyms interesting, exciting, and provide tons of hours of fun gameplay even after main story.

    This could make gym system not the main plot line, but an addition, a side quest that would take LOOOOONG to complete (getting higher ranks in every gym, defeating the leader, perhaps then a system that would have us fight for keeping the title (new trainers challenging us, including previous leader), perhaps something similar to achievement system that could unlock new things for us, like TMs, move tutors, items? (let's say - perform a specific combo in a double battle to unlock a new achievement and obtain a specific TM)

    Then after we get badges from all gyms, we can challenge the E4 and the champion. Not as a prerequisite to get the post game content, but as the FINAL post game content, an ultimate challenge that deserves the name of Pokemon League and Regional Champion.

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    this idea literally just popped into my head whils treading this forum.... what if they expanded nimbassa's theme park? i mean its an out there idea but i quite like it!
    a carousel.... rotation battles?
    and any other rides that happen at theme parks xD AND ingo&emmet can still be fronteir brains and still live in nimbassa, maybe utilising the idea of a 'Ghost train'? i dunno just abit of random speculation xD

    edit: and also i know this is another long shot, but i have always wanted to do pokemon battles really strategically, like in the anime, like make the trainer battles 3v3, 6v6 etc.. just to make you think about the games more and that little bit harder :')
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_of_grass View Post
    Move tutors and the vs seeker to return. Please gamefreak. Also so some move set changes some of the Unova pokemons were just to shallow. Close combat Samurott anyone? Or submission Emboar, Aura sphere Zoroark. The list goes on.
    The vs seeker being removed was one of the worst things they've EVER done. At least in HGSS we had the pokegear, but nothing in BW? That's just obnoxious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satoshi 91 View Post
    The vs seeker being removed was one of the worst things they've EVER done. At least in HGSS we had the pokegear, but nothing in BW? That's just obnoxious.
    Well we were given trainer matches every day in the stadiums, plus every afternoon on the cruise liner, plus that GF guy, and Cheren. And Cynthia, if you're in the right season. So it's not like back in the exp-deprived 1st gen where you were literally forced to either rematch the Elite 4 or slowly grind rubbish-levelled wild pokemon. We at least got *something*.

    But you are right, we do need the VS seeker back, or a gym leader cafe. Or both. They did it for Platinum, so why not?

    Btw, does anyone actually know if there's a reason why this game is due out in less than 3 months and we know squat about it? Surely by now we should know more, such as confirmed region or pics of the player characters? Are GF just being trolls and trying to amp up the hype? It all seems peculiarly cloak and dagger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SasakiThePikachu View Post
    Well we were given trainer matches every day in the stadiums, plus every afternoon on the cruise liner, plus that GF guy, and Cheren. And Cynthia, if you're in the right season. So it's not like back in the exp-deprived 1st gen where you were literally forced to either rematch the Elite 4 or slowly grind rubbish-levelled wild pokemon. We at least got *something*.

    But you are right, we do need the VS seeker back, or a gym leader cafe. Or both. They did it for Platinum, so why not?

    Btw, does anyone actually know if there's a reason why this game is due out in less than 3 months and we know squat about it? Surely by now we should know more, such as confirmed region or pics of the player characters? Are GF just being trolls and trying to amp up the hype? It all seems peculiarly cloak and dagger.
    I generally think that game freak are being trolls :/ Ł months away and all we have is the box design and that its a sequesl.... wow that infor tantelizes the taste buds -_- although its keeping us all talking about it, and wondering about it so if they are trying to desperately hype it up its working isn't it... if this is all we get untill release date it would make buying it abit more exciting :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by SasakiThePikachu View Post
    Btw, does anyone actually know if there's a reason why this game is due out in less than 3 months and we know squat about it? Surely by now we should know more, such as confirmed region or pics of the player characters? Are GF just being trolls and trying to amp up the hype? It all seems peculiarly cloak and dagger.
    No one actually knows. But since tomorrow is the 15th, hopefully the official websites will be updated and reflect what CoroCoro showed, or better yet, more than what the magazine have (hopefully at least screenshots). It is also entirely possible that Junichi tweets something.

    But the only thing we can really do is to wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satoshi 91 View Post
    The vs seeker being removed was one of the worst things they've EVER done. At least in HGSS we had the pokegear, but nothing in BW? That's just obnoxious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulava
    But since tomorrow is the 15th, hopefully the official websites will be updated and reflect what CoroCoro showed, or better yet, more than what the magazine have (hopefully at least screenshots). It is also entirely possible that Junichi tweets something.

    But the only thing we can really do is to wait...
    That's some good news for a change. I'll be checking Bulbapedia tomorrow, just to see what they would have covered so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcario97 View Post
    That's some good news for a change. I'll be checking Bulbapedia tomorrow, just to see what they would have covered so far.
    Well, not really good. We might just end up being disappointed because (a) they did not update the sites, or (b) they updated but nothing is new (except for clear images). So meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulava View Post
    Well, not really good. We might just end up being disappointed because (a) they did not update the sites, or (b) they updated but nothing is new (except for clear images). So meh.
    Guess you're right. We just might end up with more events or movie specials, stuff like that, etc. But as you say, we wait.
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    Site won't update on the same day CoroCoro is out with more info for games CoroCoro had nothing on, unless TPC couldn't give a rat's *** about using CoroCoro anymore for the games, which is evident they don't. Best bet would be smash, but even then its probably gonna be something like Castelia's first showing.
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    Its been over 10 years, let me walk diagonally. I also really enjoyed the feature of having your pokemon follow you (it's the little things).

    Something I'd like to see is when you become champion is you should have to defend your title every so often. I'm a big fan of aftergame stuff and I think that would be pretty cool. I mean come on, there has to be more trainers that want to become champion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingBishMan View Post
    Its been over 10 years, let me walk diagonally.
    The grid is here to stay. It works incredibly well and there's just no need to walk diagonally.

    Something I'd like to see is when you become champion is you should have to defend your title every so often. I'm a big fan of aftergame stuff and I think that would be pretty cool. I mean come on, there has to be more trainers that want to become champion.
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    Seriously we've made this far, and the the only thing they could show us only is the box art?, at least show us one picture!!!

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    Maybe they're holding back on information in so players can actually be surprised when they first play the game.


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