Creative and Innovative Movesets Thread (Read The Rules in the OP before Posting!)

[TrollFreak]

Lazy **** Terra, guess I gotta pick up the slack huh

Honchkrow: Super Luck/Moxie
Persian: Limber
Skuntank: Stench
Nature: Timid or Jolly. Can vary whether or not you need bulk
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Spd 4 to Def or Sp Def. Can vary whether you need more bulk in one defense or not.

Swagger
Foul Play
Screech
Filler

No, just no

Arceus-Rock @ Stone Plate
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Judgment
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Substitute

yea, P. Standard, just Sub>Will-O

Wisemon (Xatu) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Haze
- Night Shade
- Roost
- Toxic

I like it so far, Lemme get back to on this one

Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 4 Spd
Modest nature (+Sp.Atk, - Atk)

- Nasty Plot
- Thunder Wave
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere / Roost

Standard NP set w/ T-Wave

[MetalSonic]

That Xatu is setup fodder for Extreme Killer Arceus with a Lum Berry. Shadow Claw OHKOes Xatu before it can use Haze.
Also, Xatu does not completely wall Ferro. Choice Band Gyro Ball 2HKOes cleanly.

Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 4 Spd
Modest nature (+Sp.Atk, - Atk)

- Nasty Plot
- Thunder Wave
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere / Roost

Isn't this one already kinda standard?



Anyways, here's a Latias one 'cause who has a problem with Latias? :3



Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Refresh

Really, this Latias was made to set up and deal with Ferro's at any time without the aid of HP Fire. The EV's allow for it to never be 2HKO'd by standard Ferros Gyro Ball whilst retaining a decent speed, at least, still enough to outpace Jolly max speed Dragonite. Setting up on something like Blissey as well who try to wall this set is absolutely breathtaking. The crown jewel of this set is Refresh to help her not care about status all that much, and of course Recover. We all know what Recover's for. I've used this set many times before to great success.

After setting up enough to plus +3 things'll be looking your way. But you know, she still likes for certain Steel types and Scarf'd physical Dragons to be gone tho. ^^

[jesusfreak94]

I had played around with Pain Split Forretress before, but I was inspiried by a set that Scarfwynaut posted. This thing has just played great overall.

Forretress@Leftovers
Bold
Sturdy
252 HP, 204 Def, 52 SpA
-Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-HP Ice
-Pain Split

Forretress is great because it's the only spinner that can safely spin on some Dragons, namely Haxorus. LO DD Haxorus's Rain-boosted Aqua Tail only does about 61% damage max at +1, and anything less won't even 2HKO. Pain Split is also really great for Forretress right now. It can switch into random Outrages and Earthquakes really well, but it can be worn down over time without recovery. Pain Split offers a little something, and it lets you stall out things that can't hurt you much, like Skarmory and non-Flamethrower Blissey. This can dramatically improve Forretress's survivability. HP Ice is also a great tool to have, and it makes Forry a great addition to teams that just need something to take Outrages and hit back. With 52 EVs, HP Ice 2HKOs Landorus, Gliscor (factoring in no Poison Heal or Poison Heal + Stealth Rock), Salamence, and even Dragonite once Multiscale is broken. It also is guaranteed a 3HKO against Haxorus, which is really nice if you can bring Forretress in as Haxorus is trapped into Outrage. Besides that, you have your basic hazard and spinning utility. I prefer Spikes since Forry is a great Spikes setter and so many other things can use Stealth Rock instead. However, either Stealth Rock or Toxic Spikes can be used if it fits your team better.

[TrollFreak]

Wisemon (Xatu) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Haze
- Night Shade
- Roost
- Toxic

Making Terra add this to the OP under Ubers, great set!

EDIT- going to suggest this


@ Haban Berry
Trait: Turboblaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature / Modest Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Focus Blast
- Fusion Flare / Roost

With Haban Berry, you fend off most of the Dragon-type Pokemon in the tier. You outpace slower Dragons such as Reshiram, Zekrom, and Dialga, while Speed tying with Rayquaza, Kyruem-White and Black. With this, you beat up on slower dragons, and if ant Dragon is faster than you, ie Palkia or Choice Scarfers, thanks to Haban, you can tank the attack and KO it. Of course, you need alot of HP as to ensure you don't take too much damage, but I found it effective in getting rid of other dragons without using Choice Scarf. Dragon Pulse and Ice Beam are STABs that hit hard as hell even without Choice Specs or Life Orb, Focus Blast deals with Diagla, Tyranitar, and other Steel-type Pokemon such as Ferro and Arceus-Steel. If using this in sun, Fusion Flare is nice as it roasts Scizor, Ferro, Forry, and Skarmory, as well as Arceus-Steel in sun, but Roost is nice in healing off damage and keeping Kyruem alive long enough to take care of those Dragons.

[Agonist]

Nothing amazing, but it's a fun set.


Modest @ Pressure
232 HP / 32 Def / 80 SpA / 32 SpD / 136 Spe
Substitute / Roost / Earth Power / Ice Beam (Dragon Pulse)

The HP EVs give it 449 HP at level 100, which is a leftovers number plus one, while giving it nice 112 HP subs. The Spe EVs are to outspeed max speed neutral natured base 80's (primarily Dragonite, among others). Thirty-two EVs in both defenses give it a bit of added bulk, and the remaining EVs are dumped into SpA, basically giving it the same SpA at a max +natured 108. Substitute + Roost in conjunction with Pressure allow for the stalling out of low PP moves, such as Gyro Ball. Earth Power and Ice Beam get almost flawless coverage together, though you could substitute Dragon Pulse over Ice Beam, as it also gets basically flawless coverage with Earth Power．

[TrollFreak]

Why not use enough enough EVs to hit 404, since its a leftys number and it gives you 101 HP Subs, which is basically what you need. Also, you need more Speed for it to work, like outpacing base 90s. and the defense EVs should be moved into Special Attack if they don't do anything special. Other than that, consider moves such as Focus Blast and HP Fire, but great set, I'll try it!

[Agonist]

I tried that out 404 HP, but I decided a bit more HP investment would be better to take advantage of its nice defenses, and good resistances. More speed would probably be useful, to outspeed max Spe neutral base 90's (although I'd have to take some out of HP and the defenses for that, though it would be nice to stall out Close Combat from Lucario). As for HP Fire/Focus Miss, you already beat Ferrothorn, and other steels anyway (you can stall out Gyro Ball, Power Whip isn't doing squat, and Sub protects against Leech Seed). Basically the only steel type that's a hassle is Bronzong, which can't do anything to you (again, you stall out Gyro Ball). Some other options to consider would be Roar, at the cost of coverage, though it would probably work in conjunction with hazard support. Glaciate could be used over Ice Beam if you've got a Sub up, since faster stuff would no longer be an issue.

[Patri25]

Noctowl@Leaftovers
Ability:Tinted Lens
Nature:Modest
Ev´s:252HP/252Sp.Att./4Speed
Moves:
-Silver Wind
-Roost
-Substitute
-Extrasensory

[5221A]

May seem a bit gimik, but it works.

Deoxys-S @Choic Specs/Choice Scarf
Trait: Pressure
Evs: 4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature or Modest Nature
-Psycho Boost/ Psychic / Psyshock
-Ice Beam/ Grass Knot/ Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt/ Thunder/ Singnal Beam
-Foucus Blast/ Hidden Power [Fire]/ Trick

Phsycho Boost hits lots of thing hard, but you may need to switch more often. Psychic is more reliable, but dosent hit as hard, the ocasional special deffense drop is good though. Psyshock kills special walls but dosent KO anything else. Ice beam hurts most dragons, Lugia and Groudon hard (2HKOing Groudon). GRass knot with choice specs OHKOes Groudon 100% of the time, but i dont think it dose anything else. Shadow ball deals with Mewtwo ( if im correct, choice specs can OTKO Mewtwo). Thunderbolt dosen't do anything important, exept hit koygre harder, wont kill him before he killes you (choice speces is to slow to hit Choice scarf Kyogre 2 times in a row, and choice scarf dosen't hit hard enogh). Thunder is the same as thunderbolt, just a bit stronger. Signal beam is too weak and the counfusion chance is too low, but if you dont use shadow ball neither foucus blast then it your next best choice. Foucus blast OTKOes Darkrai and (i think) OHKOes Normal arceus.
Hidden Power fire only hits Ferrotorn, Fortress, Scramory and Scizor harder. Trick is just to cripple walls.
The EVs are nothing special. Anything that dosent OHKO Deoxys-s will deal around 80% no mater the investment in deffensise.
I preffere to use Choice Specs since you can't outrun much with choice scarf (exept for choice scarf kygre , witch you wont kill anyways). Also were you would die to Arcues's extreemspeed (you can survive 1) you can kill it with choice specs. If you use the choice scarf use Modest nature because you will earn almost nothing with timid. But the specs are best with Timid to out run as many things as possible, but Modest bosts special attack further ( you wont get any important KOs though).

[ParaChomp]

May seem a bit gimik, but it works.

Deoxys-S @Choic Specs/Choice Scarf
Trait: Pressure
Evs: 4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature or Modest Nature
-Psycho Boost/ Psychic / Psyshock
-Ice Beam/ Grass Knot/ Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt/ Thunder/ Singnal Beam
-Foucus Blast/ Hidden Power [Fire]/ Trick

Phsycho Boost hits lots of thing hard, but you may need to switch more often. Psychic is more reliable, but dosent hit as hard, the ocasional special deffense drop is good though. Psyshock kills special walls but dosent KO anything else. Ice beam hurts most dragons, Lugia and Groudon hard (2HKOing Groudon). GRass knot with choice specs OHKOes Groudon 100% of the time, but i dont think it dose anything else. Shadow ball deals with Mewtwo ( if im correct, choice specs can OTKO Mewtwo). Thunderbolt dosen't do anything important, exept hit koygre harder, wont kill him before he killes you (choice speces is to slow to hit Choice scarf Kyogre 2 times in a row, and choice scarf dosen't hit hard enogh). Thunder is the same as thunderbolt, just a bit stronger. Signal beam is too weak and the counfusion chance is too low, but if you dont use shadow ball neither foucus blast then it your next best choice. Foucus blast OTKOes Darkrai and (i think) OHKOes Normal arceus.
Hidden Power fire only hits Ferrotorn, Fortress, Scramory and Scizor harder. Trick is just to cripple walls.
The EVs are nothing special. Anything that dosent OHKO Deoxys-s will deal around 80% no mater the investment in deffensise.
I preffere to use Choice Specs since you can't outrun much with choice scarf (exept for choice scarf kygre , witch you wont kill anyways). Also were you would die to Arcues's extreemspeed (you can survive 1) you can kill it with choice specs. If you use the choice scarf use Modest nature because you will earn almost nothing with timid. But the specs are best with Timid to out run as many things as possible, but Modest bosts special attack further ( you wont get any important KOs though).

Don't mean to shoot you in-between the eyes but Deoxys is banned bar its Defence form. On top of that, all of what you've listed is the wrong way. Use Special Attack EVs if you're using a special sweeper. On top of that, if you're going for a sweeper, you just need a Speed boosting nature due to the sheer agility. To boot since this is the Uber tier we're talking about, it is severely outclassed by many others (its Attack from in particular) in the offensive department and is best used at providing speedy defence.

[AquaRegisteel]

^He listed Lugia and Groudon, so he is using it in Ubers...

Anyways, I'd say that Focus Sash Deo-A is about as powerful as that, has the same coverage as that, and can use Extremespeed to pick off stuff easier.

[5221A]

Don't mean to shoot you in-between the eyes but Deoxys is banned bar its Defence form. On top of that, all of what you've listed is the wrong way. Use Special Attack EVs if you're using a special sweeper. On top of that, if you're going for a sweeper, you just need a Speed boosting nature due to the sheer agility. To boot since this is the Uber tier we're talking about, it is severely outclassed by many others (its Attack from in particular) in the offensive department and is best used at providing speedy defence.

Im talking about Ubers...
Typo on the Evs.
And why would you use a speed boosting nature if he outruns almost every scraf user with scarf WITHOUT a boosting nature. He dosent outrun much more with Timid (without scarf).
He, unlike his attack form he has defensise (60/90/90 is not so bad). He can take a 2 hits from Groudon (not choice band) and OHKO it. He can do the same to Mewtwo, Rayquasa, Tryantar, Blazakin, Salamence, Garchomp, Darkrai (not sash or scarf) and may more. He also treatens a lot of commone Uber pokes.

[jesusfreak94]

You're really going to want Timid unless you're running a Scarf. With Modest, you only speed tie with a large number of Scarved Pokemon (the base 90s, which includes Dialga, Kyogre, Ho-Oh, Zekrom, and Reshiram), which can be dangerous. You also miss out on outspeeding +1 Rayquaza, Scarf Kyurem-W and Kyurem-B, Scarf Palkia, Scarf Garchomp, a variety of Swift Swim and Chlorophyll users, and of course you lose a chance to beat and kill an opposing Deoxys-S before it sets up another screen or entry hazard.

[That Crazy Russian™]

And why would you use a speed boosting nature if he outruns almost every scraf user with scarf WITHOUT a boosting nature. He dosent outrun much more with Timid (without scarf).

basically what Jesus said....you miss out on outrunning pretty much everything. deoxys-s isnt really used much as an attacker, but more support. deoxys-s can be used in attacking, but ive only ever seen a scarf modest set ever work.

He, unlike his attack form, has defensise (60/90/90 is not so bad).

in a tier filled with overpowered pokemon.....60/90/90 is good? thats like, below average in OU, let alone ubers. if you are going to use an attacker, arceus is your best bet. with 120/120/120 defenses, and 120/120 attack/SpA, and 120 speed, its much more bulky, less predictable, and generally.....better.

*usable defenses

He can do the same to Mewtwo, Rayquasa, Tryantar, Blazakin, Salamence, Garchomp, Darkrai (not sash or scarf) and may more. He also treatens a lot of commone Uber pokes.

*throws dictionary at user*

learn to spell breh.

*Rayquaza
*Blaziken
*Tyranitar
*many
*common

[ParaChomp]

Im talking about Ubers...
Typo on the Evs.
And why would you use a speed boosting nature if he outruns almost every scraf user with scarf WITHOUT a boosting nature. He dosent outrun much more with Timid (without scarf).
He, unlike his attack form he has defensise (60/90/90 is not so bad). He can take a 2 hits from Groudon (not choice band) and OHKO it. He can do the same to Mewtwo, Rayquasa, Tryantar, Blazakin, Salamence, Garchomp, Darkrai (not sash or scarf) and may more. He also treatens a lot of commone Uber pokes.

Oops, thanks for clearing that up. Still, my point still stands that it is outclassed in terms of offence and defence in the Uber tier.

basically what Jesus said....you miss out on outrunning pretty much everything. deoxys-s isnt really used much as an attacker, but more support. deoxys-s can be used in attacking, but ive only ever seen a scarf modest set ever work.


in a tier filled with overpowered pokemon.....60/90/90 is good? thats like, below average in OU, let alone ubers. if you are going to use an attacker, arceus is your best bet. with 120/120/120 defenses, and 120/120 attack/SpA, and 120 speed, its much more bulky, less predictable, and generally.....better.

*usable defenses



*throws dictionary at user*

learn to spell breh.

*Rayquaza
*Blaziken
*Tyranitar
*many
*common

Pretty much. Also only 2 of those 6 words are in my dictionary. What's going on?!

[complete legitimacy]

lol since when did Terra take over this thread

[jesusfreak94]

DM got lazy and Terra said he'd take it over.

Might as well post this now before it becomes standard.

Terrakion @ Salac Berry
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Substitute
- Swords Dance

I started using this pretty much as soon as the pinch berries were released. Instead of using a Rock Gem to get past a couple of counters, this SubSD Terrakion uses a Salac Berry to absolutely terrorize offensive teams. With a Sub up, you can't revenge kill him, at at +1, only priority and a couple of insanely fast Scarfers outspeed him. Late-game, when Gliscor and Landorus-T and friends are weakened, you sweep with +2 Atk as well. Specs Gothitelle is a great partner, since it traps Terrakion's usually checks/counters like Skarmory, Gliscor, Slowbro, and Landorus-T, while killing them off with Thunderbolt or HP Ice. Magnezone also can trap Scizor, and a Sub Charge Beam Zone can actually set up on one trapped into Bullet Punch/Quick Attack/Pursuit and maybe get two kills if played right.

Protip: You absolutely need those 4 HP EVs to get down to berry range with just three Subs. Otherwise, it takes four, and you'll be left with just 3 HP.