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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvershark View Post
    Your just an insufferable spoilsport aren't ya.
    Yes, yes I am :P

    Though is that set really in the Smogdex? It wouldn't be the first time I've thought on the same wavelength as those guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    Yes, yes I am :P
    At least you admit it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    take that up with harsha lol, thats what he said
    I took a look and there is a similiar set that uses different EV's and ultilises Taunt. I think my set has better EV's though. Smogon tries to balance the EV's in Def. and Sp. Def.; Sableye really needs full EV's in Sp. Def, and even then it has trouble taking too many special hits. The burn from Will-o-Wisp is more than enough to make up for the lack of Def. EV's.
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    Here is a set I use in RU and sometimes in UU



    Tangrowth @ Zoom Lens
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Sp Def
    Relaxed Nature
    -Sleep Powder
    -Leech Seed/Stun Spore
    -Power Whip/Giga Drain
    -Rock Slide/HP Ice

    Now this set is what I call a physical wall and Sleep passer, the main goal of this set is to put the opponent to sleep and it will succeed mostly thanks to Zoom Lens, thanks to Tangrowth's Bulk it can take hits and heal up with Regenerator as I "pass" the sleep status to a setup sweeper or something depending on what I predict, for the other moves Leech Seed is what I preffer since Zoom Lens will make it never miss and I can put this together with Sleep Powder to pass Health Recovery, but also Stun Spore helps me out when I already have something sleeping (assuming Sleep Clause is in play), Power Whip also benefits from Zoom Lens and it's very powerful Giga Drain is for extra Recovery but I personally don't like it that much, Rock Slide helps me with a predicted switch into a Fire or Flying type and when Zoom Lens activates it doesn't miss, HP Ice is something I do use from time to time and it's very good.

    Oh yes please take into account that Zoom Lens will only work if your Pokemon has been hit before using it's move so that's why I use Relaxed, I guess this set can also be used with max Sp Def and a Sassy nature, and to end this I always use 0 IVs (2 if you are using HP Ice) in Speed to ensure even very slow Pokemon go first and I get Zoom Lens activated.
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    It's a neat idea, but I don't think Sleep Powder's accuracy is all that bad (same accuracy as WoW).

    If you're vying for something unique, then I suggest using Big Root to increase Recovery from Giga Drain, but outside of that, there isn't really any use to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk View Post
    It's a neat idea, but I don't think Sleep Powder's accuracy is all that bad (same accuracy as WoW).

    If you're vying for something unique, then I suggest using Big Root to increase Recovery from Giga Drain, but outside of that, there isn't really any use to that.
    While yes Sleep Powder Accuracy is not that terrible is still not that good, and once I got 3 misses in a row with my Roserade so that kinda inspired me to build this set, Big Root is a good idea but to be fair Regenerator is more reliable than Giga Drain when it comes to heal, and Big Root would only benefit Leech Seed if one decides to Pick Power Whip for extra damage and because it also benefits from the Zoom Lens
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    Bumping this thread with somemore sets



    Dragonite @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Multiscale
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake

    At first glance, this set might seem rather odd. However, this set has often brought me sweeps where I otherwise couldn't. Substitute and Lum Berry might seem redundant, but that's the key to this set. The goal of this set is to set up on status Pokemon. The best opportunity is to set up on something that doesn't threaten Dragonite and will guaranteed switch out (such as Landorus locked in Earthquake). Then, you Dragon Dance / Substitute while they switch to their counter. If it's a counter that relies on status to take out Dragonite, use Dragon Dance again while they burn your Lum Berry. Now, Substitute while they status again. If it's a revenge killer on their team that beats Dragonite, use Substitute first, and take it out. Now, this set can also easily set up on defensive Pokemon with status such as Will-O-Wisp. This works as the following:

    - Dragon Dance while they burn your Lum Berry, or better miss.
    - If status missed last turn, Dragon Dance again.
    - Substitute while they try to status again.
    - Now, you have a Substitute and a Dragon Dance up, so depending on the situation you can exchange that Substitute for another Dragon Dance.

    The moves chosen can differ. Outrage and Earthquake are usually the best options, but Dragon Claw, Fire Punch, and Waterfall are all perfectly viable.


    Protect Zam
    Zam (Alakazam) (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Protect
    - Psychic
    - Focus Blast
    - Shadow Ball

    Sick of those Choice Band Scizors putting your Life Orb Zam in a pickle? Well Protect solves that. Similar to Mystic Gar of last generation, Protect let's you scout whether that pesky Scizor is going to Bullet Punch or Pursuit. If he Pursuits, Scizor will take >70% from Focus Blast. When you can't find those opportunities for a free Sub, which is kinda hard with Zam, this set offers an alternate solution. It is also handy for scouting if Rotom-W, something Scizor is paired with, is scarfed or not. Basically this set benefits from having the power of Life Orb without the CB Scizor dilemma.
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    Funny how changing one move on a smogon set passes for innovative on this thread. Anyways, the Zam set is pretty situational, it's royally screwed over by unbanded Scizor sets since Life Orb Bullet Punch still KO's Zam and is likely to be used after Pursuit is blocked by Protect.
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    That dragonite looks fun, just because of meaning latios can't beat it, and the reactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvershark View Post
    Funny how changing one move on a smogon set passes for innovative on this thread. Anyways, the Zam set is pretty situational, it's royally screwed over by unbanded Scizor sets since Life Orb Bullet Punch still KO's Zam and is likely to be used after Pursuit is blocked by Protect.
    The vast majority of Scizors run CB sets, and most of those that don't are running SD sets, which never run Pursuit. In almost all circumstances, Protect will let Alakazam come out much more safely against Scizor, so it is pretty useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkmnswampmaster View Post
    Here is a set I use in RU and sometimes in UU



    Tangrowth @ Zoom Lens
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Sp Def
    Relaxed Nature
    -Sleep Powder
    -Leech Seed/Stun Spore
    -Power Whip/Giga Drain
    -Rock Slide/HP Ice

    Now this set is what I call a physical wall and Sleep passer, the main goal of this set is to put the opponent to sleep and it will succeed mostly thanks to Zoom Lens, thanks to Tangrowth's Bulk it can take hits and heal up with Regenerator as I "pass" the sleep status to a setup sweeper or something depending on what I predict, for the other moves Leech Seed is what I preffer since Zoom Lens will make it never miss and I can put this together with Sleep Powder to pass Health Recovery, but also Stun Spore helps me out when I already have something sleeping (assuming Sleep Clause is in play), Power Whip also benefits from Zoom Lens and it's very powerful Giga Drain is for extra Recovery but I personally don't like it that much, Rock Slide helps me with a predicted switch into a Fire or Flying type and when Zoom Lens activates it doesn't miss, HP Ice is something I do use from time to time and it's very good.

    Oh yes please take into account that Zoom Lens will only work if your Pokemon has been hit before using it's move so that's why I use Relaxed, I guess this set can also be used with max Sp Def and a Sassy nature, and to end this I always use 0 IVs (2 if you are using HP Ice) in Speed to ensure even very slow Pokemon go first and I get Zoom Lens activated.
    The only difference between this Tangrowth and the one I've been using since the beginning of gen 5 is the item. So it's not really that innovative...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak94 View Post
    The vast majority of Scizors run CB sets, and most of those that don't are running SD sets, which never run Pursuit. In almost all circumstances, Protect will let Alakazam come out much more safely against Scizor, so it is pretty useful.
    True, but they could still take the turn to stat up since they expected a switch, Scarf variants would be indistinguishable from band sets and would still use Pursuit for the KO next turn, and defensive sets would just shrug off the damage later with Roost.

    That Zam set not only lacks creativity, but is fundamentally worse than the set it's based on. It's still highly situational since it's only ment to counter one set on one pokemon, something it only does well if they use Bullet Punch. If they use Pursuit you still lose Zam and deal some heavy damage to Scizor, but still leave it alive to switch out and come back later to Bullet Punch holes in your team. Assuming of course Focus Miss actually hits and that Zam wasn't earlier paralyzed or KO'd by Sucker Punch due to the lack of Substitute. You're better off with Substitute to deal with other threats to Zam and the off chance of getting a sub up before Scizor comes into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvershark View Post
    True, but they could still take the turn to stat up since they expected a switch, Scarf variants would be indistinguishable from band sets and would still use Pursuit for the KO next turn, and defensive sets would just shrug off the damage later with Roost.

    That Zam set not only lacks creativity, but is fundamentally worse than the set it's based on. It's still highly situational since it's only ment to counter one set on one pokemon, something it only does well if they use Bullet Punch. If they use Pursuit you still lose Zam and deal some heavy damage to Scizor, but still leave it alive to switch out and come back later to Bullet Punch holes in your team. Assuming of course Focus Miss actually hits and that Zam wasn't earlier paralyzed or KO'd by Sucker Punch due to the lack of Substitute. You're better off with Substitute to deal with other threats to Zam and the off chance of getting a sub up before Scizor comes into play.
    lol, you're a bigger idiot that I thought

    The whole point of the set isn't to beat EVERY single Scizor in OU, its job is to beat the most common Scizor, Choice Band. Like MisticGAR last gen, its designed to beat Banded Scizor which roam the meta. And what do mean it counters only one Poke, Life Orb Alakazam wrecks just about any Pokemon that can't resist its attacks, and Sub only works on Pursuit, as BP would just OHKO you, and you're free to run HP Fire, but you're then walled by every Heatran in OU, and dealing 70%+ is good considering you got Stealth Rocks down. And really, using logic that the move will miss to support your argument shows how big an idiot you really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvershark View Post
    True, but they could still take the turn to stat up since they expected a switch, Scarf variants would be indistinguishable from band sets and would still use Pursuit for the KO next turn, and defensive sets would just shrug off the damage later with Roost.
    Either way, you've now scouted the set and you now know what your limitations against Scizor are. The purpose of Pursuit is now complete. Besides, if they set up a SD, then you can just switch in one of the many Pokemon capable of handling it. After all, SD Scizor may not be the most common set, but it's still a very real threat that everyone should have a good answer to. Also, only about 3% of Scizors even use a Scarf, which is hardly worth the worry.

    That Zam set not only lacks creativity, but is fundamentally worse than the set it's based on. It's still highly situational since it's only ment to counter one set on one pokemon, something it only does well if they use Bullet Punch. If they use Pursuit you still lose Zam and deal some heavy damage to Scizor, but still leave it alive to switch out and come back later to Bullet Punch holes in your team. Assuming of course Focus Miss actually hits and that Zam wasn't earlier paralyzed or KO'd by Sucker Punch due to the lack of Substitute. You're better off with Substitute to deal with other threats to Zam and the off chance of getting a sub up before Scizor comes into play.
    Running Protect over Substitute gives the Alakazam set a completely different utility, which is plenty creative. By that logic, running Disable over Pain Split on Gengar shows no creativity, when it actually gives Gengar a whole different outlook. In addition, it is not meant to only counter Scizor, but any Pursuit trapper or Choiced Pokemon that might try to counter or check Alakazam. Even if it was just for Scizor, you're going to see Scizor on nearly one of every three teams (most of which are CB), making it more than common enough to plan a set for. After all, isn't that the point of innovative sets, to beat common counters?

    As someone who has used both the Sub + 3 Attacks set and the Protect set, I will say that the Sub set is easier to use a lot of the time, but it doesn't mean the Protect set is outclassed. They're just different. When you've got a Pokemon who would love to have Aipom's physical bulk, you're not always going to have a good opportunity to use Substitute. In addition, you don't lose a quarter of your health every time you use Protect, which in theory lets Alakazam do its job more frequently.

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    Note that my style is to hit hard and fast, roost and such are an option on the dragon.


    from my VGC team...

    Rhydon [M] Adamant @ Evolite
    Ability: Rock Head
    EVs: 220 HP/128 AT/28 DF/132 SD

    -Rock Slide
    -Earthquake
    -Protect
    -Megahorn

    *All-around At-Wall. Had Ice Punch in 3, but losing it didn't affect his coverage overmuch and Protect is better on a lead (especially in Doubles). Megahorn for TTar, et al. I like Brick Break's acc better, but I need the horn for coverage ( ::cough:: psychics ::cough:: ). SE against 13 types, 4x weak to Water and Grass (Mhorn).

    Was shooting for Rhyperior then tried Evi-Don and loved it. 'Rod would have jeopardized 2 teammates tbolts so I just kept the Rock Head instead of rebreeding. Since Rain is so bloody prevalent AND he has double to water and grass (which are mostly Specialists) I thought his SD could use a boost hence the bulky EVs. fwiw my Rock survived SE Sacred Sword, Rock Slide, and 3 STAB Dragon Claws (Haxorus) in Round 4 at Athens this past weekend. He took down 3 Hydreigon with OHKO Megahorn; got a Latios with it as well.


    Against individual pokemon:

    0 No Effect
    0 Not Very Effective
    239 Normal Effectiveness
    424 Super Effective

    (set is standard, EV's are not)



    My other MVP is my Special Dragonite:

    Dragonite [M] Modest @ Leftovers
    Ability: Multiscale
    EV: 252 SA (bulky, so defenses, but lost my notes )

    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Hurricane
    - Focus Blast

    *Very non-standard Dragon. Surprise Special Specialist and my main WTF-mon. FB drops opposing SD, and IB and Tbolt have the chance at status effect. Had Flamethrower, but this spread actually gets better coverage as Ice Beam covers the weeds and FB covers Steels while also adding a STAB-Fly. SE to 12 types, 4x weak to Ice (FB).

    Leftovers helps regenerate after Scale minimizes the damage. Took down Haxorus, Salamence, Latios, and an opposing Dnite during VGC (along with a slew of other non-dragons). Landurus used Rock Slide and lefties brought back half what was lost. Ice Beam against an opposing Dnite did damage equal to that Dnite's Dragon Claw (both scaled, full HP, and holding lefties). Expert belt is also an option given his coverage.

    He did well pulling surprise upsets as most people were expecting a physical or purely defensive dragon and weren't sure what to make of a Specialist.

    0 No Effect
    0 Not Very Effective
    172 Normal Effectiveness
    491 Super Effective



    ---honestly don;t know what to say on Tangrowth except I faced one at VGC and it was surprisingly annoying to take down. A lucky Hurricane sent it packing.
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    ^ ^ Ummm, is this a set or a team?

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    Silvershark, some of your posts are not actually contributing anything useful to this thread, and are starting to clutter it. Stop it or stop posting here please, that'll be my only warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    lol, you're a bigger idiot that I thought
    Resorting to insults to make points now? Nah, I won't stoop that low.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    The whole point of the set isn't to beat EVERY single Scizor in OU, its job is to beat the most common Scizor, Choice Band. Like MisticGAR last gen, its designed to beat Banded Scizor which roam the meta.
    But if they are running a different Scizor you've just lost an Alakazam instead of taking an opportunity to do some damage. There are better counters to Band Scizor, and Sub Zam is far more versitale. Unless your team doesn't have room
    for a counter you're better off with Substitute.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    And what do mean it counters only one Poke, Life Orb Alakazam wrecks just about any Pokemon that can't resist its attacks,
    Agreed, so why risk letting it get crippled by a status move or stray after move affects?

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    and Sub only works on Pursuit, as BP would just OHKO you,
    Not if you already have sub on the field , which isn't even an option if you're running Protect.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    and you're free to run HP Fire, but you're then walled by every Heatran in OU, and dealing 70%+ is good considering you got Stealth Rocks down.
    Even with Stealth Rock damage, Scizor is still left with a sliver of health, allowing it to come in late game after faster priority users are gone and clean up.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    And really, using logic that the move will miss to support your argument shows how big an idiot you really are.
    And you're being too optimistic. Your listing all the ideal conditions, and ignoring the ways it could easily go wrong. Be realistic.

    Perhaps saying the set was worse was a bit harsh, but it's far from a surefire way to take on Pursuit trappers and the sub set does handle a larger range of strategies.

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    I'm finding this drapion I made in RU to be quite effective as a wall breaker. It has a bit of problems with walls with will-o-wisp, but it's been working for me. Keep in note I'm new to RU so if this is really nooby please don't be too harsh about it.

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    EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - X-Scissor
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Night Slash
    Yep we should ban baton pass, and weather too. Oh and Trick Room, I'm tired of having to worry about Trick Room all the time. Just ban the move Trick Room, and prankster, it's broken. Ban all status moves on prankster users, they're too cheap. Oh and ban Probopass to it's so cheap. Just ban everything except Magikarp with splash.
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    iirc that's just a standard Swords Dance Drapion with Scope Lens instead of a LO or whatever item in normally uses. It might be worth using a Lum Berry over the Scope Lens, especially if Will-o-Wisp is giving you a lot of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    ^ ^ Ummm, is this a set or a team?
    2 sets that can work together or as singles. They're surprisingly effective either way.
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    K this is a fun Rotom-H set that I made because I was bored.


    Rotom-H @ Flame Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Volt Switch
    - Overheat
    - Trick
    - Pain Split

    The goal when using this set is bluffing a choice item so the opponent brings a pokemon that would try to set up on Rotom-H like Dragonite,Tyranitar,Haxorus,etc. and then use Trick leaving their pokemon burned which is a huge problem for physical sweepers.Walls also find this set annoying since they lose their recovery from Leftovers and get a Status that hurts them instead but the walls that like Trick the less are Eviolite user who will lose their Def/Sp.Def boost.Volt Switch and Overheat are my only attacking moves because Rotom doesn't need more to bluff a Scarf or Specs since even with a Choice set you will be using Volt Turn and Overheat 99% of the time and with Pain Split Rotom can survive a little longer causing more damage by Switching several items from my opponent's pokes.
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    Since we are throwing Rotom sets out their;

    Rotom Frost @ leftovers
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    252 hp/ 128 def/128 sp def
    Thunderbolt
    Confuse ray
    Thunder wave
    Pain split/ blizzard

    While rotoms hp stat is lacking both of its defenses hit over 100. With parafusion the opponents Pokemon will be hard pressed to hit you. The final move depends on if you want recovery or bolt beam coverage.


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    Not bad. I would suggest running Discharge to spread paralysis and you can free up an extra spot for Blizzard.
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    Now, ik this is late, but i didn't realize how useful the set was until dm showed me the protect alakazam.


    Gengar (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Protect
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    Plays same way as protect zam and is the highlight of my crappy semistall team. Protect to scout...hp fire will maul sciz if it goes for pursuit over bullet punch. Another reason I love hp fire on gengar is the fact that it deals with steels...focus blast does, too, but ferro will usually be able to live it if it hits, thus letting it get up a layer of spikes, get up rocks, or let it fire off a leech seed. Skarmory also doesn't mind focus blast...and let's face it, gengar is always faster and is almost always gonna deal neutral damage with focus blast to skarm. (In skarm's case, it also won't like a tbolt to the face if I ever chose to run it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dewhinifier View Post
    Now, ik this is late, but i didn't realize how useful the set was until dm showed me the protect alakazam.


    Gengar (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Protect
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    Plays same way as protect zam and is the highlight of my crappy semistall team. Protect to scout...hp fire will maul sciz if it goes for pursuit over bullet punch. Another reason I love hp fire on gengar is the fact that it deals with steels...focus blast does, too, but ferro will usually be able to live it if it hits, thus letting it get up a layer of spikes, get up rocks, or let it fire off a leech seed. Skarmory also doesn't mind focus blast...and let's face it, gengar is always faster and is almost always gonna deal neutral damage with focus blast to skarm. (In skarm's case, it also won't like a tbolt to the face if I ever chose to run it.)
    To be honest, it was useful on Alakazam, but on Gengar then you're more often finding it better to use Substitute. What with Gengar's type resists and immunities you can often set it up, especially on Earthquake locked Landorus, who is often found as a Scizor team-mate. /being an idiot

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