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    Right, my OU team is going great. But my clan is doing a weather tournament. I'm Drizzle (again). So I'm going to need help building a team. Again.

    Politoed@ Leftovers
    Bold | Drizzle
    252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Ice Beam/Perish Song

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    Quote Originally Posted by snivy trainer View Post
    Right, my OU team is going great. But my clan is doing a weather tournament. I'm Drizzle (again). So I'm going to need help building a team. Again.

    Politoed@ Leftovers
    Bold | Drizzle
    252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Ice Beam/Perish Song
    Tornadus (M) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Hurricane
    - Focus Blast
    - U-turn
    - Hammer Arm

    Hammer Arm for Bliss. Focus Blast for Magnezone and Heatran.
    Goodbye friends. My Pokémon drive is reaching zero, so I'm gonna go do other stuffs. Love you all. c:

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    Thank you! Here is a list of our banned Pokemon:

    Groudon
    Mewtwo
    Mew
    Lugia
    Ho-Oh
    Celebi
    Kyogre
    Rayquaza
    Jirachi
    Deoxys
    Dialga
    Palkia
    Giratina
    Phione
    Manaphy
    Darkrai
    Shaymin (Land or Sky)
    Arceus
    Victini
    Reshiram
    Zekrom
    Kyurem


    So far:

    Politoed@ Leftovers
    Bold | Drizzle
    252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Perish Song

    Tornadus@ Choice Specs
    Naive | Prankster
    252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    ~Hurricane
    ~Focus Blast
    ~Hammer Arm
    ~U Turn

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    Quote Originally Posted by snivy trainer View Post
    Thank you! Here is a list of our banned Pokemon:

    Groudon
    Mewtwo
    Mew
    Lugia
    Ho-Oh
    Celebi
    Kyogre
    Rayquaza
    Jirachi
    Deoxys
    Dialga
    Palkia
    Giratina
    Phione
    Manaphy
    Darkrai
    Shaymin (Land or Sky)
    Arceus
    Victini
    Reshiram
    Zekrom
    Kyurem


    So far:

    Politoed@ Leftovers
    Bold | Drizzle
    252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Perish Song

    Tornadus@ Choice Specs
    Naive | Prankster
    252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    ~Hurricane
    ~Focus Blast
    ~Hammer Arm
    ~U Turn
    Dragonite can abuse Rain a lot!

    Dragonite
    Multiscale
    Timid
    4 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Spd
    @Life Orb

    Thunder
    Dragon Pulse/Aqua Tail
    Hurricane
    Roost

    Both your Hurricane and Thunder get 100% accuracy. Dragon Pulse is for STAB but Aqua Tail gets a boost in the rain. It also helps against Rock Types in a Sandstorm. They get a 50% Sp Def boost in the sand so you're just going to go for their unboosted Defense Stat. Then Roost is for Recovery after your Life Orb deals recoil. It's also useful for avoiding possible Blizzards, Ice Beams, etc.

    Then there's always Swft Swimmers. I don't know if you are going by the usual rules or not but I always see a Kingdra and a Ludicolo on a rain team when I did the one wifi tournament. If you want to diversify you could use Pokemon that are x4 weak to fire since their power is weakened during the rain like the ever so useful wall known as Ferrothorn. With Ferrothorn you could also go with Jellicent, another wall. When combined with a Pokemon that can use Surf it becomes a deadly yet slow force.

    Ferrothorn
    Iron Barbs
    Careful/Sassy
    252 HP/128 Def/128 Sp Def
    Leftovers/Rocky Helmet

    Gyro Ball
    Power whip
    Leech Seed
    Spikes

    Most Pokemon on weather teams I don't believe fly or float so Spikes is viable. Then there's Leech Seed which is reliable recovery. Gyro Ball is good since you're slow and Power Whip is a powerful STAB

    Jellicent
    Water Absorb
    Bold
    252 HP/4 Def/252 Sp Def
    Leftovers/Absorb Bulb

    Water Spout
    Recover
    Night Shade
    Energy Ball/Will-O-Wisp

    Water Spout is a super strong STAB and partnered with someone who can use Surf it's deadly because you can get recovery. If you use the above Dragonite or even the Politoed and pair it up with this Pokemon you can replace Scald and Aqua Tail with Surf. It's stronger than Scald and more reliable than Aqua Tail. Now, I'm not so sure if the Absorb Bulb works if you're hit while you ahve Water Absorb, but if it does work you're just making your Water Spout even better. Recover is also reliable recovery. Night Shade is super powerful and Energy Ball can supply coverage while Will-O-Wisp can force switches or cripple physical sweepers which would threaten your weaker defense.

    Another good thing in the rain is the Volt-Turn stradegy. You could have a Choice Band Scizor and a Choice Scarf Rotom-W. Rotom could also have Thunder in case you want to predict they're going to use a fire move and instead hit them with a 180 BP never missing Electric move. Hydro Pump is also an option if they're resistant to Electric moves. Scizor can also be a little different. You could use the other common stradegy with Scizor which is Technician and Priority abuse.

    Scizor
    Technician
    Jolly/Adamant
    4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    @Choice Band/Flying Gem

    Bullet Punch
    U-Turn
    Double Hit
    Acrobatics

    The Flying Gem moveset allows more diversity, however, the Choice Band set allows more power.

    Rotom-W
    Levitate
    Timid
    4 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Spd
    @Choice Scarf

    Hydro Pump
    Volt Switch
    Thunder
    Trick

    This set has a lot of potential. Although two electric moves isn't good, but they work so well.

    If all of the teams you're going against have something to do with weather, I'd also keep a bug type with a strong Bug-Type move for Abomasnow. You should also keep some kind of Pokemon to take down Ninetales, Hippowdon, and Tyranitar. They're all easily taken care of by water moves and Tyranitar's mroe common than Hippowdown so Ground Moves could work too.

    Other Pokemon that could work are Milotic and the Toxic Orb/Flame Orb+Marvel Scale for another wall or you could go with the Hydration+Rest stradegy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snivy trainer View Post
    Thank you! Here is a list of our banned Pokemon:

    Groudon
    Mewtwo
    Mew
    Lugia
    Ho-Oh
    Celebi
    Kyogre
    Rayquaza
    Jirachi
    Deoxys
    Dialga
    Palkia
    Giratina
    Phione
    Manaphy
    Darkrai
    Shaymin (Land or Sky)
    Arceus
    Victini
    Reshiram
    Zekrom
    Kyurem


    So far:

    Politoed@ Leftovers
    Bold | Drizzle
    252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Perish Song

    Tornadus@ Choice Specs
    Naive | Prankster
    252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    ~Hurricane
    ~Focus Blast
    ~Hammer Arm
    ~U Turn
    I would change hammer arm to HP ice and add a joteon on that team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snivy trainer View Post
    Thank you! Here is a list of our banned Pokemon:

    Groudon
    Mewtwo
    Mew
    Lugia
    Ho-Oh
    Celebi
    Kyogre
    Rayquaza
    Jirachi
    Deoxys
    Dialga
    Palkia
    Giratina
    Phione
    Manaphy
    Darkrai
    Shaymin (Land or Sky)
    Arceus
    Victini
    Reshiram
    Zekrom
    Kyurem


    So far:

    Politoed@ Leftovers
    Bold | Drizzle
    252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Perish Song

    Tornadus@ Choice Specs
    Naive | Prankster
    252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    ~Hurricane
    ~Focus Blast
    ~Hammer Arm
    ~U Turn
    geez snivy...your always on here, lol!

    anyways, heres my favorite set ever of a pokemon i use on drizzle teams. a great threatkiller.

    jirachi @expert belt
    naive
    252 atk/ 4 SpA/ 252 spe
    - thunder
    - ice punch
    - iron head
    - draco meteor/ psychic/ filler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x_vandslaux_x View Post
    New stall team (as well as my favorite playstyle), need changes if any and a last member. Cursed Body on Jellicent is to force switches, inflcting more Spikes damage.

    Jellicent (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Cursed Body
    EVs: 248 HP / 208 Def / 52 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Recover
    - Taunt

    Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - U-turn
    - Bullet Punch
    - Superpower
    - Pursuit

    Skarmory (M) @ Shed Shell
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Whirlwind
    - Roost
    - Spikes
    - Brave Bird

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Seismic Toss
    - Toxic

    Tentacruel (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Rain Dish
    EVs: 236 HP / 252 Def / 20 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Rapid Spin
    - Scald
    - Protect

    I was thinking a sweeper of some sort to abuse the Spikes, possibly Rock Polish LO Terrakion, which demolishes Sand? Though I noticed this team can't really do much of anything to Skarm, so maybe Jolteon? IDK if Tentacruel's really necessary to this team. But then, I don't have Toxic Spikes, and can't really kill anything. And no, I'm not using SkarmBliss just because.. well, because. They fight weather really well.
    stall happens to be my new favorite too! anyway, you only have one phazer, and its weak to special attacks. to remedy this, i suggest umbreon, the same one i posted in my rmt. check it out. umbreon has good synergy with this team, taking psychic attacks aimed at tentacruel, dark at jelli, and the rest of the team covering its weaknesses. itll leave you more special defensively oriented though.

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    Right, hold on! I was kind of thinking Tornadus as Modest/Timid with HP Ice, but Hammer Arm I think works better to smash Blissey and Chansey. I'm doing homework right now, so I'll update later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    Dragonite can abuse Rain a lot!

    Dragonite
    Multiscale
    Timid
    4 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Spd
    @Life Orb

    Thunder
    Dragon Pulse/Aqua Tail
    Hurricane
    Roost

    Both your Hurricane and Thunder get 100% accuracy. Dragon Pulse is for STAB but Aqua Tail gets a boost in the rain. It also helps against Rock Types in a Sandstorm. They get a 50% Sp Def boost in the sand so you're just going to go for their unboosted Defense Stat. Then Roost is for Recovery after your Life Orb deals recoil. It's also useful for avoiding possible Blizzards, Ice Beams, etc
    never use multiscale and life orb. its useless. leftovers is a much better item.

    Another good thing in the rain is the Volt-Turn stradegy. You could have a Choice Band Scizor and a Choice Scarf Rotom-W. Rotom could also have Thunder in case you want to predict they're going to use a fire move and instead hit them with a 180 BP never missing Electric move. Hydro Pump is also an option if they're resistant to Electric moves. Scizor can also be a little different. You could use the other common stradegy with Scizor which is Technician and Priority abuse.

    Scizor
    Technician
    Jolly/Adamant
    4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    @Choice Band/Flying Gem

    Bullet Punch
    U-Turn
    Double Hit
    Acrobatics

    The Flying Gem moveset allows more diversity, however, the Choice Band set allows more power.
    i really like this set. very unique. that flying gem....linteresting....

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    Volt-Turn I'm not too interested in. Dragonite seems intersting:

    Dragonite@ Leftovers
    Rash | Multiscale
    200 SpA / 200 Atk / 108 HP
    ~Hurricane
    ~Dragon Tail/Outrage
    ~Thunder Wave/Thunder
    ~Earthquake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jr Breshears View Post
    I would change hammer arm to HP ice and add a joteon on that team.
    Nope. What is the point of HP Ice? To hit Mence/Dnite for x4 damage? That's the only benefit I see. Gliscor will fall to Specs Hurricane, and Hurricane hits harder than x2 HP ice. Mence will fall to a Hurricane, and Hurricane is a 2KO on Dnite, just like HP Ice would be.
    Quote Originally Posted by snivy trainer View Post
    Volt-Turn I'm not too interested in. Dragonite seems intersting:

    Dragonite@ Leftovers
    Rash | Multiscale
    200 SpA / 200 Atk / 108 HP
    ~Hurricane
    ~Dragon Tail/Outrage
    ~Thunder Wave/Thunder
    ~Earthquake
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarklord2155 View Post
    never use multiscale and life orb. its useless. leftovers is a much better item.
    Well I wanted the SpAtk Boost but still having versatility. I guess Lefties is best, but do you think, although it's not used often, Wiseglasses would work?
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    and Im pretty sure hammer arm wont KO blissey anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jr Breshears View Post
    and Im pretty sure hammer arm wont KO blissey anyways.
    are you kidding me? just about any physical attack has the potential to ko blissey. hammer arm being se, can ohko. it has the potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jr Breshears View Post
    and Im pretty sure hammer arm wont KO blissey anyways.
    200 base power coming from 266 Atk. You think it wouldn't KO Blissey? Maybe not Chansey, but not Blissey? HAHAHA. No.

    You never gave an argument for why use HP Ice.
    Quote Originally Posted by thedarklord2155 View Post
    are you kidding me? just about any physical attack has the potential to ko blissey. hammer arm being se, can ohko. it has the potential.
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    OK. We get Tornadus. A spinner is now needed. I was thinking Tentacruel; Black Sludge/Leftovers+Rain Dish= good =D. And it has some decent SpD. I'll update later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snivy trainer View Post
    OK. We get Tornadus. A spinner is now needed. I was thinking Tentacruel; Black Sludge/Leftovers+Rain Dish= good =D. And it has some decent SpD. I'll update later.
    Plus Toxic Spikes.
    You may want a wall, or someone to take care of Terrakion. Jellicent should to the trick.


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    i'm thinking of doing a bp team using 3 sweepers. a mixed, physical, and octillery. tier is either uu or ru, depending on suggestions. any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarklord2155 View Post
    i'm thinking of doing a bp team using 3 sweepers. a mixed, physical, and octillery. tier is either uu or ru, depending on suggestions. any suggestions?
    I take it Octillary is Special?
    I would suggest Venomoth. It's an excellent Quvier Dancer, and Octiallary loves Quiver Dance.
    Another good one is Scolipede. It has high Speed, as well as access to Swords Dance and Agility. With Focus Sash and after an Agility, it should be able to use at least one Baton Pass.
    I would also suggest having a spinner, just in case. It's to prevent the Sash from being broken and stuff.


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    I need help for the last two slots of my team.
    So far I have
    Dual screens Foretress
    Swordsdance Infernape
    Sunnyday/tailwind Whimsicott
    Shellsmash Cloyster
    ...I need something to counter fighting and psychic types
    I was thinking of using Hydreigon to counter psychic, maybe zoroark (I really don't trust his defenses though.)
    I'm not quite sure what the sixth slot should be though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarklord2155 View Post
    are you kidding me? just about any physical attack has the potential to ko blissey. hammer arm being se, can ohko. it has the potential.
    Blissey's physical bulk is actually fairly decent if invested. I've used it and it survived a Hariyama's Cross Chop.'


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    ok. if invested, it will survive 2 se attacks. still, not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarklord2155 View Post
    ok. if invested, it will survive 2 se attacks. still, not good.
    So invest some Attack EVs into Tornadus, I guess. STAB Hurricane already kills so much, even without all of the SP. Atk EVs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ❤Lady Baltny❤ View Post
    200 base power coming from 266 Atk. You think it wouldn't KO Blissey? Maybe not Chansey, but not Blissey? HAHAHA. No.

    You never gave an argument for why use HP Ice.

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    Considering I have used life orb hammer arm torney, i think yes, it wont OHKO bliss, or heatran, or chansey.
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