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    Quote Originally Posted by gohan5 View Post
    When Ash tried to just throw a Pokeball at something without a battle? When Pikachu lost to Snivy? I would have belittled Ash at that point. The fact of the matter was that she was just teasing him and she was grateful to him and respected him, in case you didn't see at the end of those early episodes.
    Patronizing someone is among the worst kinds of teasing there are, entering bullying territory(which, by the way, Iris entered full stop in the Don Battles- recording identity theft and abusing it to glorify yourself and humiliate the actual person? Cruel, cruel move that's horribly immoral). Also, she used the phrase even for things that weren't that dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by gohan5 View Post
    Iris is hypocritical, we all know that, it's called humor. You're taking that seriously?
    It's a personality flaw, and I, as a rule, detest hypocritical characters most of the time. I don't care if you say it's "funny", it's still a part of her character. Even if it is funny, it's still a very unpleasant character flaw(but admittedly, a very realistic one).

    Quote Originally Posted by gohan5 View Post
    And Iris was right to call Langley out when she said she'd beat Iris, Iris in the second round and Langley wasn't.
    Bragging about how you'll win the tournament then calling someone out when said person is in the same seat you were when you made the claim? Yeah, it does not work like that.

    And if you make the claim be about Iris and Georgia instead about the tournament, you are essentially bringing this back to Iris undeserved arrogance from the Don Battle- where she said "you really think you can defeat me?" to the girl who's technically beaten her thrice. Which loops back into Iris being anything but humble.

    Quote Originally Posted by gohan5 View Post
    Besides, when she said that to Burgundy said girl had made the first unhumble move so I don't get what you proved. If Burgundy had been civil so would Iris, that's how it goes with these things.
    It does still not matter if Burgundy made the first move, Iris still proved to be the bigger braggart. And just because the other person says arrogant things, it doesn't make you not arrogant when answering.

    Quote Originally Posted by gohan5 View Post
    But I understand you just don't like Iris much, a shame but that's fine.
    I actually love her character design and the game version, and I certainly don't detest Iris overall in the anime. The anime simply mucked it up by making her a bit of an arrogant jerk. She has some nice sides as well.

    What I dislike is the complete inability for some people to accept the fact that she HAS flaws. It's what makes her a decent character.

    Iris is an undeservedly arrogant hypocrite with a mean streak. But that is an interesting thing in it's own right- but she needs to be called out on it so she can grow- and she never is.

    Essentially, I like Iris, even this "jerkish" version. I just dislike that the writers aren't actually doing anything with it.

    But nice to see that "Saying negative, but true things about a character= MUST BE A HATER" mentality.

    And I will admit that being humble has nothing to do with your ability to back up your boasts. I double-checked the definition:

    not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
    having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.

    Trip is not actually especially arrogant, so he qualifies as humble. He has a certain amount of arrogance, but it's very, very limited(to Ash, were it's not so much arrogance as just being -_- about him, and to Bianca- which was understandable with her track record). He is, on the other hand, kind of a jerk. XD

    Georgia and Iris are both pretty arrogant, but Iris is more so and can't back her arrogance up. Neither are humble. At all.

    Burgundy isn't notably arrogant, just spiteful. She's not exactly humble, either, though.
    Last edited by RWB; 1st April 2012 at 12:11 PM.
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