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    I. Introduction

    A. I had another thread that was just like this one, but Profesco had closed it, which is fine by me because it was in the worst spot for it to be (And his signature tells me to listen and keep quiet anyway). So this is the newer and better thread! Why is this one newer and better you ask? Well, I'm not allowed to answer that (Hint: It has a special thanks at the end! Those are always awesome). So enough with my garbage, lets get to letter B.

    B. Just like I promised in Article 1, Section A, here's Letter B.

    C. Alright, enough fooling around. Lets get to the the thread itself. This is all about Pokemon who got an awesome new boost! Pokemon who sat alone in NU, and one from UU, got a great deal of a boost where they landed. They're now seen in OU, and one is now hanging with the Ubers, which is quite an accomplishment.

    D. Okay, so letter D is a challenge to those who say "I liked _______ before he was cool."- Here is a challenge: Use those Pokemon without there special ability and tell me how it works out. Good luck to those who try my special challenge!


    II. The Most Improved Pokemon

    A. Last Gen, nobody had paid much attention to these outstanding Pokemon. This Gen, they're top-rated, they're the best. They're the ones who have a set made everyday for them. They're the ones who just rocked the house. They're for lil' Pokemon who statred in the lower tiers and pulled their act together to get into this thread! They are:

    1. Blaziken: The Pokemon who is known as the best starter ever for what he did: He got into the Uber tier. It was a long hard fight, but he managed. Sitting at the top of the mountain, Blaziken stands (Or sits). Anyway, enough with the award ceremony. Blaziken got one incredible ability that could make him faster than Infernape: Speed Boost. The ability to get a speed boost, hence the name, every turn. Its like getting an extra Scarf per turn just leave out the choice part. That was all Blaziken needed. He already had a very high Attack and got access to Hi Jump Kick and Flare Blitz, which he had turned into monstrous STABs. The only problem is he isn't used much in Ubers meaning Blaziken may just have been sucked clean of his power.

    2. Espeon: The most rejected Eeveelution after Flareon (Who'll hopefully make this list next Gen). He never had much, besides the nice Speed and SAtk. He didn't have a great typing, he didn't luck out with a good ability, and to worsen the mood: it kinda creeps me out. Now that Espeon is so great and I have been filled with enough bias, Espeon is awesome. Funny Story: I was just derpin' around and battling and stuff with Espeon. When suddenly, a wild Pokepedo appears! He said Espeon is now as sexy as Gardevoir. 0.0 <------ My facial expression. Espeon was one of those Pokemon I had mentioned being from NU and rising to OU, meaning he's still legal and awesome to use.

    3. Politoed: Another Pokemon who had been rejected because it couldn't keep up, Politoed is now one of the top used Pokemon. He may have taken Kyorge's signature ability, but Kyorge isn't as cool (Yes he is, just trying to make Poli sound cooler). The ability to set up endless rain is crazy. Drizzle turned Poli from creepy, smiley NU frog into "Geez, I hate this Guy". Poli helped Pokemon who used Swift Swim, which he got banned, Rain Dish, Dry Skin, and Hydration a reason to be used, also Thunder started showing up again. Politoed's moveset is also quite nice IMO. Hypnosis and Perish Song are two nice moves. Politoed, if I don't see you on an OU rain team, than I'm so sorry for what garbage they did to you.

    4. Ninetales: Just like Poli, Ninetales started something, a new generation of Sun Teams. Ninetales had made it everywhere, but is often overlooked by its competitors Tyranitar and Politoed as he is often known as weaker and has a type disadvantage. He's got Groundon's ability, as Poli did, and put it to good use. Like Poil, Ninetales helped Pokemon with their seemingly useless ability's, such as the ever common Chlorophyll and the more rare Solar Power, Leaf Guard, and the incredibly rare Flower Gift. Solarbeam was used often as well. Nietales made sun my favorite weather in OU.

    5. Dragonite- Dragonite may not have been boosted a couple of tiers, but his ability MultiScale has caused forfeits worldwide. which he only shares with Lugia. From HGSS he also got access to ExtremeSpeed and can get Aqua Jet. Dragonite has also been known as one of the greatest Rain Abusers as it gets Thunder and Hurricane. Using MultiScale is basically a free Dragon Dance as it can survive that hit quite easily. Also, using Roost he can recycle that MultiScale. His massive Attack stat makes up for his lacking 90 Base Speed Stat, which he can get up using Dragon Dance that was mentioned earlier. This fan favorite got even more favoritism with the amazing MultiScale ability.

    6. Chansey, Dusclops, Porygon2: With the newly added item Eviolite, these Pokemon are everywhere. Pokemon with older brothers and sisters are now picked first. Chansey now gets more Special Defense to outclass her sister. Dusclops does the same but on both sides. Pressure plus Awesome defenses plus Night Shade plus Wil-o-Wisp will wear down opponents. Porygon2 does great as well and can be used in many instances. Against Sableye it gets Prankster which it can use very well using Trace. It also gets Heatran's Flash Fire to absorb Fire Blast and Lava Plume and can trap Magnezone using its ability against him. Don't get me started on Dugtrio though... As you can see, the Eviolite made history.

    III. Conclusion

    A. Well, that's it. You've done it. You completed reading this thread. Go outside and get some fresh air.

    B. Now that you've come back inside, please reply using as many of the guidelines seen below:

    1. If you think another Pokemon has the honor of making it onto this list.

    2. If you feel this thread needs more work and is completely inaccurate.

    3. If you accepted my challenge and you feel now is the time for a reply.

    4. If you want a special thanks as seen below, in Article 4, Section A, Paragraphs 1-


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    3. If you went outside got a breath of fresh air and said I was awesome on my wall or right here on this thread I will write you a thank you a note onto your wall thing that consists of 50 or more words.

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    Nitpick; Ninetales is spelt, well, Ninetales.

    Don't forget that Sharpedo also got Speed Boost this gen, and it hasn't faired too badly in OU/UU/RU I would think.

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    I believe Salamence was a heavily boosted Pokemon because now that it got Moxie it can run a Choice Scarf and a Dragon Dance set very effectively, it was a member in one of my best teams.
    Gliscor gets a honorable mention as well. I had a lot of trouble with it should my Weavile not be alive. Poison Heal is almost broken.

    Espeon wasn't very much improved. If you have Ferro, simply hit Espeon as it switches in with Gyro Ball, and if you have some Attack EVs, it's an OHKO. If you have other leads, attack with your strongest move. Once it's down set up entry hazards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UbersSuck20 View Post
    I believe Salamence was a heavily boosted Pokemon because now that it got Moxie it can run a Choice Scarf and a Dragon Dance set very effectively, it was a member in one of my best teams.
    Gliscor gets a honorable mention as well. I had a lot of trouble with it should my Weavile not be alive. Poison Heal is almost broken.

    Espeon wasn't very much improved. If you have Ferro, simply hit Espeon as it switches in with Gyro Ball, and if you have some Attack EVs, it's an OHKO. If you have other leads, attack with your strongest move. Once it's down set up entry hazards.
    What the...? I'm not a regular competitive battler, but even I can see that there are so many things wrong with this post. >_>

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    ^Agreed. Poison Heal is broken? How the-

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    IMO dragonite also deserves to make that list. With the addition of multiscale, dragonite can now compete with salamence and his other fellow dragons.

    This ability makes dragonite one of the most feared pokes in the game


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    Definitley Blaziken. He was almost never used in 4th gen but now with speed boost he outclasses infernape by far
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    Quote Originally Posted by UbersSuck20 View Post
    I believe Salamence was a heavily boosted Pokemon because now that it got Moxie it can run a Choice Scarf and a Dragon Dance set very effectively, it was a member in one of my best teams.
    Gliscor gets a honorable mention as well. I had a lot of trouble with it should my Weavile not be alive. Poison Heal is almost broken.

    Espeon wasn't very much improved. If you have Ferro, simply hit Espeon as it switches in with Gyro Ball, and if you have some Attack EVs, it's an OHKO. If you have other leads, attack with your strongest move. Once it's down set up entry hazards.
    By this logic doesn't every poke suck? Every poke has its niche and weaknesses. You just need to know and acknowledge a pokes weakness and use it accordingly.



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    Dragonite.

    'Nuff said.


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    I'm stuck somewhere between Blaziken, Dragonite, Sableye and Espeon.

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    Default Uhhhm, NO

    Dragonite was OU this and last gen.

    Gliscor is only a better wall.

    Espeon went from NU to OU that deserves recognition.

    Sharpedo is the frailest thing ever.

    Oh crap. Ninetales is spelt wrong.

    Sableye was UU and still UU.

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    Dragonite...

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    Yeesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by UbersSuck20 View Post
    I believe Salamence was a heavily boosted Pokemon because now that it got Moxie it can run a Choice Scarf and a Dragon Dance set very effectively, it was a member in one of my best teams.
    Heavily boosted? No, I doubt that. Moxie was a nice addition, but it just gave Salamence a new toy to play with. If anything, Salamence got a little bit worse. Dragonite, with its fancy new Multiscale, finds setting up a lot easier than Salamence, and the OU metagame has become so unkind to it that no one would consider it broken like they did last Gen.

    Gliscor gets a honorable mention as well. I had a lot of trouble with it should my Weavile not be alive. Poison Heal is almost broken.
    Powerful, yes. Broken, of course not. Really, Gliscor is not that hard to handle. Depending on the set, it can be completely shut down by Pokemon like Rotom-W, bulky Waters, BalloonTran, etc.

    Espeon wasn't very much improved. If you have Ferro, simply hit Espeon as it switches in with Gyro Ball, and if you have some Attack EVs, it's an OHKO. If you have other leads, attack with your strongest move. Once it's down set up entry hazards.
    Magic Mirror is the reason that Espeon is OU right now, and it's a very good one. Not only does it make all status moves and entry hazard moves useless, using them against your opponent, but it also makes Espeon one of the best Baton Pass Pokemon ever to exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by ROBO PIKA View Post
    Dragonite was OU this and last gen.
    But the point is that Dragonite now has Multiscale. Before 5th Gen, Salamence pretty much outclassed Dragonite. It was a wonder that it remained OU so long last Gen. With Multiscale, Dragonite just laughs at even super-effective attacks while its HP is full, meaning that it has a much easier time setting up than Salamence. While it didn't push Salamence off the map, it did make Dragonite the more desirable choice for many teams.

    Gliscor is only a better wall.
    A far better wall, and a far better stall breaker. If it wasn't for Magic Guard abusers like Reuniclus, Gliscor could be the premier stall breaker of OU. Poison Heal to make it immune to status and offer double Leftovers recovery, Taunt to shut down opposing recovery, Swords Dance with good offensive moves, Gliscor has it all. But honestly, just the fact that Gliscor has Poison Heal makes sets like SubProtect deadly.

    Sharpedo is the frailest thing ever.
    But with Speed Boost, it's one of the best late-game cleaners there is. Despite its lower-tier status, the OU metagame is actually very kind to Sharpedo. As long as you save it for late-game, when random priority users are dead, Sharpedo can be an absolute monster on Rain teams. Also, like Blaziken before him, you can forget about outspeeding him with a Choice Scarf user after he has accumulated a couple of speed boosts.

    Sableye was UU and still UU.
    Actually, before now, Sableye hasn't been UU since 3rd Gen. It was NU in 4th Gen because it just didn't do anything important. Now it has Prankster, which is a very good ability for a slow Pokemon like Sableye. It allows it to outspeed the fastest of Pokemon and burn them, Taunt them, poison them, or Recover in their faces. It has made Sableye into a nice stallbreaker and a decent check to a number of offensive threats.

    One more thing. Why does everyone automatically assume that just because Blaziken is an Uber now, it's dead? Blaziken is still sitting at about 10.6% usage on the Ubers ladder, which is pretty good. That's over three times the usage requirement to remain OU. Again, pretty much the only Uber-viable Pokemon that can safely switch in and tackle SD Blaziken in the Sun (thanks to Groudon) is Giratina.

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    Dragonite is crazy good now. and Sableye went from being a shiiity UU pokemon to a fierce contender in OU (although it's still in the UU tier). i can not even tell you how many teams i screwed over with sableye alone.
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    ^That is quite true. Shell Smash turned it from a low tier Spiker all the way up to a Sweeper capable of taking Mach Punches from unboosted Conkeldurr at -1.

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    Porygon2,chansey and dusclops just saying..
    I also think dugtrio and gastordon got improved not directly though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    Porygon2,chansey and dusclops just saying..
    I also think dugtrio and gastordon got improved not directly though.
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    Study users, like Donphan, Skarmory, and Forretress; just one extra move can change the game, especially with all those special attackers out there who plow through the aforementioned Pokemon who have low special defense. I also have to agreed on Politoad especially; Drizzle gives it something worthwhile to use. I don't think Dugtrio has been mentioned yet either; it used to be in UU, now it's capable of functioning in ubers, thanks to Hone Claws and its ability, arena trap.
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    OK, so does everyone notice how every Pokemon got boosted 2-3 tiers up? Yes? That is why Pokemon like Dragonite aren't on here. He didn't improve as amazingly as the other Pokemon who made the list.


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    I think dragonite should be, It was one of the most improved this gen, due to Multiscale. Just because he didn't go up a tier doesn't mean he didn't improve a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Dog View Post
    I think dragonite should be, It was one of the most improved this gen, due to Multiscale. Just because he didn't go up a tier doesn't mean he didn't improve a lot.
    You're kind of right, but what I'm trying to say is that these just improved so much. If Dragonite improved as much as Blaziken did he's be hanging with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatchMaster View Post
    Study users, like Donphan, Skarmory, and Forretress; just one extra move can change the game, especially with all those special attackers out there who plow through the aforementioned Pokemon who have low special defense.
    Sturdy is nice and all, but it didn't really improve them stat much. Most wouldn't stay on special attackers anyway.
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    In my opinion, the most improved Pokemon has to be Tentacruel. In past metagames, his role was largely suppressed by the onslaught of better, bulkier waters. In this generation, his role of the bulky water has greatly improved because of the dawn of two new changes in the metagame: Drain Moves and Rain. Rain Dish is probably Tentacruel's main selling point in Rain Stall. He can spin, wall, and set T-Spikes for a team, all while regaining 12% HP in the rain (Rain Dish +Leftovers), increasing his longevity by a lot. Liquid Ooze, on the other hand, has found more precedence in this metagame in the new dawn of Giga Drain, Drain Punch, and the Leech Seed (Ferrothorn X_X). While not as significant, it allows for it to be of use on non-rain teams, punishing Conkeldurr and Ferrothorn for using their drain moves.

    It's also not hard to notice Politoed, Ninetales, and Espeon shooting from NU to the top 40s of standard, with Politoed getting up in the top 5 in usage.
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    I think one of the best improved Pokemon is Slowbro. With his new ability Regenerator he effectively became one of the premiere bulky waters of this generation. With access to Slack Off as well Slowbro has become a physical tank of incredible proportions easily being able to stop mons that he couldn't stop last generation due to not being able to find a place to heal etc. Other pokemon have gotten new tools and abilities that have made them amazing too but Slowbro has always been a favorite of mine so it was really great seeing him get an ability that made him even better than he used to already be.
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