Community POTW #67

[jesusfreak94]

lol its not that Tangrowth didn't get love, its that there are only a few things that it can do. We should do more interesting Pokemon.. Come on, Gigalith? What does it do. Stone Edge?

It could be worse. Just wait until we get Skarmory. It has literally one good set, with the only real variation being physically defensive V.S. specially defensive and Leftovers V.S. Shed Shell.

[pikadon92]

Can sturdy let gigalinth survive its own explosion?

Also, as limited as its movepool are, rock/ground combo is actually good. The only pokemon that resists both are nincada, torterra and grass/fighting mons.

[jesusfreak94]

Can sturdy let gigalinth survive its own explosion?

Unfortunately, no. Now, what it can do is let Gigalith survive with 1 HP, use a Custap Berry, and then fire off Explosion before the opponent has the chance to attack. I don't think the Custap Berry is available in BW yet, but that will be a neat trick when the berry becomes available.

[sbktdreed]

Please don't use solar beam on sets it is pitiful...

How will Abomasnow counter Gigalith? At the very least, Aboma will die as well.
Also, no Explosion?

The biggest reason I even put Solarbeam up at all is because it might be used against water and ground-type pokemon espically those with Damp ability, like Quagsire and Poliwrath. Besides, I have no intention on using Explosion. As for Abomasnow, I thought it might use Energy Ball while Hail is in effect at the time.

Salamance@Dragon Gem
Moxie
Jolly
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP

- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

Are you stating a possible partner for Gigalith or are you being off topic?

[philzone]

Partners
Bronzong- trick room always is good and resists sandstorm
Tyranitar/hippowdon- sandstorm is there for gigalith
Landourus,excadrill- murderous in sandstorm
Swampert-bulky enough to stop ground types

[ninjanerd]

Puns:
Lithin on a Prayer
The roggenrolla (rock 'n roller) is just here for a gig

I know, these puns aren't exactly a gold mine, but I hit rock bottom recently....

EDIT: For what purpose would you teach a Gigalith Solar Beam?

[Ilan]

The biggest reason I even put Solarbeam up at all is because it might be used against water and ground-type pokemon espically those with Damp ability, like Quagsire and Poliwrath. Besides, I have no intention on using Explosion. As for Abomasnow, I thought it might use Energy Ball while Hail is in effect at the time.

No explosion= use return no one uses damp LOL

Solar Beam= useless using an earthquake is much more effective than a *4 solar beam which also takes 2 turns to charge on sandstorm that's where gigalith should be btw.
abomasnow is weak to it's STAB so no... it might be a counter but no check.

It have a bad special attack and a HUGE attack, using special attacks is like using deoxys-A or rampardos defensively.

I think when DW gigalith will be released we will see some in sand teams on UU or trick room sand teams.

more bad puns:
Mighty Monolith( gigalith= giga + monolith)
I have only ONE (referring to gigalith's pitiful movepool)
Giga Band (choice band)

[MetalCrow]

Lololol...on the point of using solarbeam in sand...its base power is reduced to 1/2...aka a base 60power power grass type special attack that takes 2the turns to charge...very trolly, if i say so myself

[Vandslaux]

It could be worse. Just wait until we get Skarmory. It has literally one good set, with the only real variation being physically defensive V.S. specially defensive and Leftovers V.S. Shed Shell.

I think we did Rollout Shuckle, so maybe SD Skarm?

[Kraleck]

I still hold true to the fact that 'lith can use Rock Blast quite well. An opponent Sub-Stalling to activate a Berry can be bad for 'lith's health. Getting the same Power as Smack Down, Rock Slide, Stone Edge, and better in one Move:
-2 hits, you get a pseudo-Smack Down or chip off some decent HP past a Sub.
-3 hits is an effective Rock Slide or a fake Smack Down past a Sub
-4 hits gives an impressive mock Stone Edge or Rock Slide beyond a Sub
-5 hits is beyond Stone Edge or a Stone Edge-Powered Move through a Sub

Random, yes, but coming into a Sub gives an opponent a chance to KO you first without it...

[Blue Harvest]

Rock Blast out damages Stone Edge only on a 5th hit (though it has better accuracy so its also "better" on the 4th hit). Sadly Rock Blast only has a 33% chance of hitting 4 or 5 times. Stone Edge may suck but at least its damage is consistent (err, as long as it hits).

[sbktdreed]

Solar Beam= useless using an earthquake is much more effective than a *4 solar beam which also takes 2 turns to charge on sandstorm that's where gigalith should be btw.

Even with Power Herb and Sunny Day partners, I understand enough to abandon Solarbeam. I already change the moveset to an all-physical one.

[dewhinifier]

Meh, smogon has some interesting other options...I'll just improvise some sets...feel free to edit these...

Rock-et Launcher
Sturdy/Sand Force
Leftovers/Life Orb
Jolly/Adamant Nature
252 atk/252 spd/4 sp def
~Autotomize/Rock Polish
~Rock Blast/Stone Edge/Rock Slide
~Earthquake
~Return/Frustration/Explosion/Substitute/Stealth Rock/Heavy Slam
You may be wondering, how fast can something with base 25 power speed go? Well, at +2 speed and a Jolly nature, you're looking around a whoping 326 speed. What does that outspeed? Figure it out yourself! That's in OU, too, by the way. Anyways...rock moves for stab, eq for coverage, and a normal move for even more coverage...sub so you can hopefully get +4 speed and outspeed a more common threat...stealth rock just cuz it has no better moves...and explosion just in case you want to go boom...heavy slam cuz you weigh a lot.

Yes, I stole Curselax's EV spread.
Sturdy/Sand Force
Leftovers/Life Orb
Careful or some other Nature that I don't care to think about
208 HP / 124 Def / 176 SpD
~Curse
~Rock Blast/Stone Edge/Rock Slide
~Earthquake
~Return/Frustration/Explosion/Heavy Slam
In the words of Smogon, "Curse is fairly viable, both in a conservative fashion and offensively in a Trick Room setting, though it certainly requires support to pull off." As for the rest of the moves...yada yada yada, you've heard it all before and I'm lazy...it's 1020 at night and the only dinner I've had so far is a cereal bar, don't bug me.

[Kraleck]

Rock Blast out damages Stone Edge only on a 5th hit (though it has better accuracy so its also "better" on the 4th hit). Sadly Rock Blast only has a 33% chance of hitting 4 or 5 times. Stone Edge may suck but at least its damage is consistent (err, as long as it hits).

...and that's the tradeoff. Ability to hit more accurately and through Subs VS ability to deal consistent damage with a high Crit chance. That's always why certain Moves of the same Type are considered for sets instead of being...eh-heh...set in stone...

[philzone]

Another good move is facade. If gigalith is burnt, then it can survive if burnt, or get stronger if paralysed or poisoned. a good sub for explosion if you want.

[Ilan]

Another good move is facade. If gigalith is burnt, then it can survive if burnt, or get stronger if paralysed or poisoned. a good sub for explosion if you want.

There's no point to facade... burn wreaks it anyway... stone edge have 150 BP after STAB always
facade have 140 BP when paralyzed/poisoned
overall facade is for pokemon who like to get statused (guts,poison heal,quick feet etc) gigalith is NOT one of them

[philzone]

There's no point to facade... burn wreaks it anyway... stone edge have 150 BP after STAB always
facade have 140 BP when paralyzed/poisoned
overall facade is for pokemon who like to get statused (guts,poison heal,quick feet etc) gigalith is NOT one of them

I'm not that muck of a fan with explosion. It is just there if you are burnt-which is quite common in all tiers.

[garchompkid]

2 words - rock moves!

[philzone]

Here is a wall set
-use in trick room sandstorm
SS gigalith
-toxic
-protect
-swagger/rest
-Stone edge/earthquake
Nature:sassy
Evs 200 hp, 52 def, 252 sp def
Item leftovers/lum berry/iron ball
Ability: sturdy
Ss is short for sandstorm squad, a team which I use (sandstorm based)
Boosts sp def in sandstorm and sassy makes it good in trick room
Toxic causes damage. Protect stalls the foe. Swagger means less likely to hit, but rest is recovery( use lum berry here)
Earthquake is more favourable , as teamed with iron ball, takes out steels, eg. Skarmory, but stone edge is STAB, so its you choice

[SuperArtNinja]

I recently caught a shiny Roggenrolla too! Shiny Gigalith is awesome.

The set I would probably use would be:

Cursed Paperweight
Sturdy
Chesto Berry/ Leftovers
Careful/Impish
252 HP/ 252 Sp. Def/ 4 Def
Curse
Rest/ Stealth Rock/Protect
Stone Edge/ Rock Slide
Earthquake/ Stealth Rock/ Explosion/Protect

Gigalith's titanic stats are sadly undermined by pathetic speed, shallow movepool and defensively poor typing, being weak to common Water, Fighting, Ground and Grass moves. Being weak to Steel sucks too since Scizor's Bullet Punch kinda hurts... I would also mention that the weakness to Aqua Jet, Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave is bad if it didn't matter at all whatsoever because of it's awful speed. Despite it's many flaws, I think it may be able to somewhat function in a Sandstorm or under Trick Room with this set. In fact, I would say to use this primarily in Sandstorm conditions, for that sweet and nifty 1.5x Sp. Def. boost it picks up. That with Curse can make it bulky, however, the fact it doesn't have a good recovery move other than the Rest/ Chesto Berry combo means that despite the stat gains, it still won't last too long. Sturdy is the preferred ability since it's a free Sash so if you opt to use Stealth Rocks over one of it's other moves you can set them up, or you can Explode, or Curse (Although it's useless if they bring you to Sturdy anyway...), but it's basically a free turn as long as you're 100%... He gets access to the nice EdgeQuake combo which is nice. I have Rock Slide listed as an alternative if you HATE Stone Edge's less than stellar accuracy, but you miss out on OHKO's that could give you the game, and Rock Slide's Flinch might as well not exist on Gigalith due to his speed.

Doubles/Triples: LOL! Weakness to Surf and Earthquake make him useless. Sturdy isn't as useful in Doubles either. The only way to make ROMOTELY useful is Air Balloon... But that would be a waste of a good item...

[Sceptile Leaf Blade]

A lucky use of Scald that scores a Burn is an effective 1HKO. Omastar is also Sandstorm-immune and has STAB Scald. Golduck has access to Cloud Nine Ability and STAB Scald. Speaking of Cloud Nine Ability, Lickilicky can fight back with Muddy Water and tank hits rather well.

Also true, I was mainly trying to break the habit of coming with specially oriented counters by showing some physically oriented ones. Still watch out for EQ when countering with Omastar, I'm pretty sure that Giga 2KOs Omastar with EQ, perhaps even 1KO with a boosting item and Sand Force active.

[Barbeller]

All of those counters are lower tier, and not as viable in OU. Better counters are things such as Skarmory, which resists the rock thing's moves. QuakeEdge resists are good counters, and so are pokes with a generally high defence. Especially Ferrothorn, as it can fight back with Super-effective STABS (not that you should be using steel moves).

[dewhinifier]

I'm not that muck of a fan with explosion. It is just there if you are burnt-which is quite common in all tiers.

Then use return/frustration.

explosion is a suggestion cuz gigalith has a shallow movepool...if there was a better move it could learn, it would learn it.

And, eh, facade ain't a bad idea, but as suggested, it's best with stuff that relies on status to sweep or stall. The only time it would ever outclass return/explosion/frustration is if you switch it in on toxic spikes since the burn pretty much nullifies facade's effect of power doubling--before the burn, it's base 70; after the burn, it's base 35*2...which is 70. It is more powerful than return/frustration tho at base 70 when burned, however, gigalith won't be able to do much else with a base 70 move; at that point, it's pretty much crippled since its stab attacks and eq won't be doing much...so the only thing left would just be to go boom or use it as death fodder.

[philzone]

More counters:
Skarmory- if there is no iron ball- as it resists eq and not badly hit by anything in giga's shallow move pool
Gliscor- same as skarmory
Mold breaker/zekrom and resharim - no sturdy to save it =]

[henryshen11]

use explosion to take out pokemon that's not steel, rock, ghost. earthquake+stone edge