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    Quote Originally Posted by VEVOZ View Post
    You having a hard time to accept my thinking?
    If you consider Cheren's character arc in BW, it isn't so far-fetched that he finally learned that strength isn't everything and decided to teach a little bit of what he knows about Pokémon training for rookie Trainers, hence taking the position of first Gym Leader.

    And in case you don't know, you can challenge Cheren and battle against his BW team in B2W2, so it isn't like the game rebooted him.
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    -_____- you people are very strange,

    just cuz i dont like one thing, and i have my own opinions, just for that every one needs to tell me im wrong?
    just cuz i have my own opinions about something?

    thats as low a human being can go,,,


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    Quote Originally Posted by VEVOZ View Post
    -_____- you people are very strange,

    just cuz i dont like one thing, and i have my own opinions, just for that every one needs to tell me im wrong?
    just cuz i have my own opinions about something?

    thats as low a human being can go,,,
    Your opinions are being criticized because they're kinda stupid. If you post your opinions to the Internet, that's cool, but being called out on your own ignorance is a risk that comes with doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VEVOZ View Post
    -_____- you people are very strange,

    just cuz i dont like one thing, and i have my own opinions, just for that every one needs to tell me im wrong?
    just cuz i have my own opinions about something?

    thats as low a human being can go,,,
    This is a discussion forum. Do you know what that word means? If you don't want to discuss, stay away from here. It's as simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R_N View Post
    If anything her voice and song lean more towards a pop song
    some reason Avrail Lavene (too lazy to get correct spelling) popped into my head. who knows maybe thats who Roxie was based off of. and i will laugh if that is true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Of Keys View Post
    some reason Avrail Lavene (too lazy to get correct spelling) popped into my head. who knows maybe thats who Roxie was based off of. and i will laugh if that is true
    I doubt Avril Lavigne (or however her name's spelled. I can't spell it either LOL) is popular in Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    I doubt Avril Lavigne (or however her name's spelled. I can't spell it either LOL) is popular in Japan.
    She probably was at least well know in Japan, in some point of her career.
    Anyway, there are Japanese singers with a similar style, like Aya Kamiki, who is often called "the Japanese Avril Lavigne".

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    I don't think Roxie is based on one singer. She may even be based off of no one. But one thing's for sure. She must get her own album!
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    She's most likely based just on the 'Grunge' style.

    witch includes the whole rockstar thing.

    Also Grunge is waste witch goes well with Poison as a type. Really should've had a trubbish.
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    She's either emo or plain J-rock style.
    I don't think she's based on Avr- whatever. It's not difficult to create a rocker chick.
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    Just a thought, but in the PWT any Gym Leader that had different Rosters in the gyms depending on what game you fought them in, the rosters should carry over.

    Like Volkner would have a choice of : Luxray, Electivire, Jolteon, Raichu, Octillary, Lanturn, and Ambipom

    reflecting both his DP team as well as his Platinum and Battleground teams.

    Would give him somthing to differntiate himself from Surge and Wattson...

    Really I'd like them to use the pool of what they had in their prior games, with 1 or 2 new Pokemon too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    Just a thought, but in the PWT any Gym Leader that had different Rosters in the gyms depending on what game you fought them in, the rosters should carry over.

    Like Volkner would have a choice of : Luxray, Electivire, Jolteon, Raichu, Octillary, Lanturn, and Ambipom

    reflecting both his DP team as well as his Platinum and Battleground teams.

    Would give him somthing to differntiate himself from Surge and Wattson...

    Really I'd like them to use the pool of what they had in their prior games, with 1 or 2 new Pokemon too.
    Ugh, no. Especially not the DP teams where they filled their teams with random Pokemon because the Sinnoh Dex simply didn't have enough of that type.
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    But it would be nice if they were still in the pool to pick from, instead of a situation like every ground user and their mother having Rhypherior or Garchomp...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    But it would be nice if they were still in the pool to pick from, instead of a situation like every ground user and their mother having Rhypherior or Garchomp...
    Number of Ground type leaders: 2
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    actually they share Krookodile, but Ground was the worst example...

    Let's look at Electric since that's my 1st example, if things went right you could face 3 Electrodes, or 2 Magnezones, or 3 Raichus

    there's a lot of repeated mons, now for a type like ice or ghost with a small pool to pick from anyways I can see the repeats making sense.

    But let's take a look at some of the many overlaps

    Seismitoad, Carracosta, Foretress, Mamoswine, Excadrill Magnezone, Electrode, Raichu, Aggron, Jellicent, Bronzong, Chandelure, Metagross, ABomasnow, Aerodactly, Rhypherior, all from world's strongest

    With 600+ Pokemon to choose from you'd think there'd be less overlap, especially in the Water Department where there is tons of choices.

    and some of the choices just seem tacked on because they needed 6 types for a trainer.

    some that just don't match up
    Eirika and Abomosnow
    Giovanni and Garchomp
    Falkner with Aerodactyl AND Crobat (he even states he is a BIRD trainer in HGSS)
    Whitney's Tauros and Ursaring
    Jasmine's Lucario
    Norman and Ambipom
    Roak and his Crustle (he's a Fossil person meh)
    Byron and Foretress
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    Seismitoad, Carracosta, Foretress, Mamoswine, Excadrill Magnezone, Electrode, Raichu, Aggron, Jellicent, Bronzong, Chandelure, Metagross, ABomasnow, Aerodactly, Rhypherior, all from world's strongest

    With 600+ Pokemon to choose from you'd think there'd be less overlap, especially in the Water Department where there is tons of choices.
    Considering these battles are Battle Frontier level battles, they need to provide a challenge. This means that a lot of pokemon within a type are unsuitable for their teams. Crasher Wake can't exactly be using a Lumineon can he?

    and some of the choices just seem tacked on because they needed 6 types for a trainer.

    some that just don't match up
    Eirika and Abomosnow
    Giovanni and Garchomp
    Falkner with Aerodactyl AND Crobat (he even states he is a BIRD trainer in HGSS)
    Whitney's Tauros and Ursaring
    Jasmine's Lucario
    Norman and Ambipom
    Roak and his Crustle (he's a Fossil person meh)
    Byron and Foretress
    Most of the weirdness comes from gym leaders using pokemon from regions after their debut regions. Then again, if they can get to Unova for the WT they must be able to catch pokemon from outside their region. Anyway they still all belong to their specialty type, so they fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    But it would be nice if they were still in the pool to pick from, instead of a situation like every ground user and their mother having Rhypherior or Garchomp...
    I'm not worried about overlap as long as one trainer doesn't have the same 6 Pokemon another does. And that's not really a problem, since each type has at least 7 nonlegendary families.
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    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Save for the poor Ghost types, almost all the ghost users are the same, if not for a slight rotation.

    Since the only non-legendary ghosts are

    Gengar, Mismagius, Dusknoir, Banette, Sableye, Spiritomb, Drifblim, Frosslass, Cofagrigus, Chandelure, Golurk, and Jellicent

    in fact if they had done the PWT last Gen, they could only have 3 completely different Ghost teams Thankfully by Gen 4 there were only 2 Ghost Gym Leaders.

    and don't diss the Lumineon lol, if they were smart and had given it Quiver Dance like it should've gotten, and with the new Storm Drain, it could really catch one by surprize.


    Another thing I would've added to the PWT is Past rivals. The main problem would be the Starter.

    For Barry I'd have done
    Staraptor-Sig, Roserade, Floatzel, Rapidash, Heracross, Snorlax.

    I'd imagine they'd make Silver's Sneasil his signature, and keep it a sneasil (they did in HGSS for whatever reason). just replacing his starter would be tough because he didn't have a rotational type team like past rivals.

    And Wally would really not change much.

    I mean they would all be only fightable in the the World's Strongest tourney since they are among the few to make it all the way to the E4...

    I'd also like a tournament called "Signature Tournament"

    it would be 1 on 1, with the Opponent's each using only their Signature Pokemon's highest evolutionary form, and you only get 1 mon too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    Save for the poor Ghost types, almost all the ghost users are the same, if not for a slight rotation.

    Since the only non-legendary ghosts are

    Gengar, Mismagius, Dusknoir, Banette, Sableye, Spiritomb, Drifblim, Frosslass, Cofagrigus, Chandelure, Golurk, and Jellicent

    in fact if they had done the PWT last Gen, they could only have 3 completely different Ghost teams Thankfully by Gen 4 there were only 2 Ghost Gym Leaders.
    The only time that's really an issue is with the Type Expert, where there needs to be at least 3 trainers. Other than that, it comes down to how they designed the teams. I would've done something like this:

    Morty- Gengar, Sableye, Banette, Cofagrigus, Mismagius, Golurk
    Fantina- Driblim, Mismagius, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Froslass, Chandelure
    Rensuke- Cofagrigus, Golurk, Sableye, Banette, Jellicent, Dusknoir

    It's not perfect, but that's just about the best we can do at this point.
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    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Since I was thinking of the Signature Tournament I made up a image in Paint of every important Trainer and their Signature

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    If they had included E4 in the PWT there would be a HUGE pool for a signature tournament.
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    I have to say that Roxie and Marlon are such unique gym leaders I don't really like markin being the 8th gym leader I feel that he should be the 7 th gym leader I really like Roxie's she's one of my favorites
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarSurgeX View Post
    I have to say that Roxie and Marlon are such unique gym leaders I don't really like markin being the 8th gym leader I feel that he should be the 7 th gym leader I really like Roxie's she's one of my favorites
    Does it really matter that much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarSurgeX View Post
    I have to say that Roxie and Marlon are such unique gym leaders I don't really like markin being the 8th gym leader I feel that he should be the 7 th gym leader I really like Roxie's she's one of my favorites
    But you start right close to Virbank city, Kanto and Johto could get away with it because your path around the regions was a spiral and even then blackthorn was sealed off by caves and ledges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    Falkner with Aerodactyl AND Crobat (he even states he is a BIRD trainer in HGSS)
    Coincidentally and hilariously enough, Crobat can learn Brave Bird.

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    Byron and Forretress
    eh, appearance-wise Forretress is more Steel than Bug, so it actually fits Byron.

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    IMO, it would've been better if Giovanni had Dugtrio instead of Golem (Brock has one) and if Bugsy had Ledian instead of Forretress (Jasmine has one). And Erika with Parasect instad of Exeguttor, which could have been easily given to Sabrina in place of Slowking/Espeon. What's more, Volkner should have a Pachirisu instead of Voltorb and Brock a Sudowoodu in place of Relicanth (the most random Pokemon here, IMO) That way Leaders from the same regions wouldn't have repetetive Pokemon and some teams would be more mixed. I also agree that Tauros doesn't fit Whitney (there is Granbull, after all).
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