Expanded Pokedex Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Excitable Boy]

Probably because that would be unfair to Snivy users, considering that Oshawott users could pick up Pidoves and Tepig users could get Blitzles, but Snivy users would be stuck with just the one Panpour.

[Aurath8]

Probably because that would be unfair to Snivy users, considering that Oshawott users could pick up Pidoves and Tepig users could get Blitzles, but Snivy users would be stuck with just the one Panpour.

Either that or they desperately wanted to teach you type advantages using the monkeys.

Speaking of the monkeys are there less of them now in BW2? It seemed like 2 trainers on every Route had one of them in BW.

[Excitable Boy]

Speaking of the monkeys are there less of them now in BW2? It seemed like 2 trainers on every Route had one of them in BW.

Yeah, there's less of them. The Trainers this time around are much more varied.

[Aurath8]

Yeah, there's less of them. The Trainers this time around are much more varied.

Wonderful, not only were they annoying, but they all had the exact same moveset, bar their STAB, which never changed because its a stone evolution. Throughout the game you could defeat them in almost the exact same manner as before.

[ImAnOKIE12]

I hope aron could be found somewhere else besides white forest, cause I got black 2 for the version exclusive. But am planning to get white w, just not soon enough.

Aron in Virbank complex. I dont get it, they got one steel type :/

[Wishing Star]

I hope aron could be found somewhere else besides white forest, cause I got black 2 for the version exclusive. But am planning to get white w, just not soon enough.

I don't think you can find any Pokémon in White Forest in White 2, right?

[sAv1Or)]

I hope aron could be found somewhere else besides white forest, cause I got black 2 for the version exclusive. But am planning to get white w, just not soon enough.

Aron in Virbank complex. I dont get it, they got one steel type :/

He's in Mistralton Cave if I remember correctly in W2.

[Wishing Star]

Probably because that would be unfair to Snivy users, considering that Oshawott users could pick up Pidoves and Tepig users could get Blitzles, but Snivy users would be stuck with just the one Panpour.

Would it really be unfair? I mean, it'd really only be unfair if Snivy users didn't have access to a Water-type to douse the Fire-types that they would be facing, but they do. But since they do, it isn't really unfair.

From what I see, at that point in the game, having more than one Pokémon to take care of type advantages isn't "more fair" than having only one Pokémon to take care of type advantages.

[Blazios]

From what I see, at that point in the game, having more than one Pokémon to take care of type advantages isn't "more fair" than having only one Pokémon to take care of type advantages.

Given that the entire point of the first Gym is to teach about basic type advantages, then yes, it is.

[Bolt the Cat]

Probably because that would be unfair to Snivy users, considering that Oshawott users could pick up Pidoves and Tepig users could get Blitzles, but Snivy users would be stuck with just the one Panpour.

The solution to that is to give you access to Wellspring Cave, which would allow Snivy users to use Roggenrola against Pansear.

I hope aron could be found somewhere else besides white forest, cause I got black 2 for the version exclusive. But am planning to get white w, just not soon enough.

Aron in Virbank complex. I dont get it, they got one steel type :/

Aron is available in Mistralton Cave in BW2.

Given that the entire point of the first Gym is to teach about basic type advantages, then yes, it is.

Yeah, but it's unfair that experienced players can't apply their knowledge of type advantages and catch other Pokemon that would have an advantage against the triplets. There's not that much variety in Rt. 1 and 2, just Normal and Dark type Pokemon.

[Excitable Boy]

The solution to that is to give you access to Wellspring Cave, which would allow Snivy users to use Roggenrola against Pansear.

Okay, but that also lets Oshawott users use Woobat against Pansage.

It's way easier to just keep it as is with the free monkey.

[Bolt the Cat]

Okay, but that also lets Oshawott users use Woobat against Pansage.

It's way easier to just keep it as is with the free monkey.

It doesn't really matter that much if one has two, just as long as they all have at least one.

[Excitable Boy]

It doesn't really matter that much if one has two, just as long as they all have at least one.

Like their own Pan-monkey?

[Bolt the Cat]

Like their own Pan-monkey?

Besides the monkey trio.

[Excitable Boy]

Besides the monkey trio.

Because beating them with just the Pan-monkey is so difficult, right?

[Phlogiston]

The monkeys are pretty much terrible, though.

[Bolt the Cat]

Because beating them with just the Pan-monkey is so difficult, right?

Because they're pretty much shoving them down your throat and it's downright annoying.

[GhostedRebel]

I have a question, and I can't find a place for it, although it can apply to a few games.

I'm currently playing White 2, and I'm thinking about Pokemon moves..

If a level 100 Pokemon X uses Quick Attack against Pokemon X2, and deals X damage, which is 1/6 of Pokemon X2's HP, it more effective to use Quick Attack 6 times, or is it better to use Stat Boosting Move X instead?

EX: Level 14 Riolu uses quick attack against a level 11 Elekid. Quick Attack hits 1/6 of Elekid's Total HP. Riolu also knows Work Up. Does using Workup X times ever become more effective? Which is faster, using Stat boosting move X once, and then using quick attack, or just using quick attack twice?

Which is the faster way to KO the opponent, and when does using Stat Boosting move X become more ergonomic than using a plain attack move the same number of times?

[Excitable Boy]

Because they're pretty much shoving them down your throat and it's downright annoying.

You use it for like five fights to level it up, and then you fight a boss with it. Once your done with it, you can grab something from Route 3 to use permanently. Suck it up.

I have a question, and I can't find a place for it, although it can apply to a few games.

I'm currently playing White 2, and I'm thinking about Pokemon moves..

If a level 100 Pokemon X uses Quick Attack against Pokemon X2, and deals X damage, which is 1/6 of Pokemon X2's HP, it more effective to use Quick Attack 6 times, or is it better to use Stat Boosting Move X instead?

EX: Level 14 Riolu uses quick attack against a level 11 Elekid. Quick Attack hits 1/6 of Elekid's Total HP. Riolu also knows Work Up. Does using Workup X times ever become more effective? Which is faster, using Stat boosting move X once, and then using quick attack, or just using quick attack twice?

Which is the faster way to KO the opponent, and when does using Stat Boosting move X become more ergonomic than using a plain attack move the same number of times?

Each Work Up you use increases your offensive stats by 50%. One use of Work Up puts you at 150% Attack, meaning you'll need four Quick Attacks to KO, saving one turn. Two uses puts your Attack at 200%, requiring three Quick Attacks to KO and saving the same amount of time. For three and four Work Ups, your ability to KO would be as turn-efficient as it would be without Working Up at all (that is, six turns). Five Work Ups would take seven turns to KO, and six Work Ups would take eight turns to KO.

It's worth noting, however, that

a) Your numbers may be off depending on whether you roll higher or lower damage, or whether or not you get crits.
b) Unless you switch out, your Riolu will retain its Attack boosts, meaning if you're trying to KO multiple Elekids in a row, you would do so most efficiently by either Working Up twice and 3HKOing both Elekids, or by Working Up four times and 2HKOing both Elekids. Either way will take eight turns.

[GhostedRebel]

So assuming Quick Attack takes 6 turns to KO, and Riolu uses ONE Workup, boosting to 150%, it'll take 5 turns to KO? (one Work Up and 4 Quick Attacks)

I knew for a fact that using stat boosting was effective if fighting multiple pokemon in the same battle, I just wasn't sure of efficiency in the wild.

Thanks!