Staraptor was really the only one I found my self able to cope with having 2 Flying-type moves.Originally Posted by Wishing Star
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Staraptor was really the only one I found my self able to cope with having 2 Flying-type moves.
Astral Charm Owner
Same here. Staraptor is just such a good Pokémon for in-game purposes. It makes me wonder why it wasn't included in BW2. :/
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Braviary/Unfezant/Mandibuzz
Braviary is the only one that has come close to Staraptor for me
Astral Charm Owner
Unfezant doesn't count since it's the evolution of Pidove. Braviary and Mandibuzz don't really count either since they're not really at the beginning of the game. And the one that's on Route 4 doesn't count either, because it's not expected that everybody will take advantage of it.
Bringing the Thunder
No, they're too powerful for that early in the game. The earliest area I'd say that would be reasonable for them would be Reversal Mountain outside or maybe Rt. 6 or 7. I can't think of any good early game Flying type that would fit Rt. 19, but definitely at least make Pidove available then. Rt. 19 was fairly disappointing as far as the number of Pokemon available. Considering that the Unova Dex has 300 Pokemon, you'd think they'd start out strong by having more than two Pokemon available straight from the first route. I think Rt. 19 should have these Pokemon:
Patrat
Purrloin
Pidove
Lillipup
Azurill
They changed it in BW because they didn't want whoever chose Oshawott to have an unfair advantage against the first gym (since Pidove would be useful against Cilan. Although if you ask me, they should've given you access to the top half of Rt. 3 and Wellspring Cave so you have Pidove/Roggenrola/Blitzle as options against the triplets as well, I hate those monkeys.). But since you're not fighting the Triplets in BW2, they should've gone back to putting the regional bird on the first route.
Last edited by Bolt the Cat; 19th October 2012 at 5:54 PM.
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Definitely not too powerful for that early...
You can start off w/ Tepig which Pignite/Emboar is pretty much Braviary Attack-wise and Rufflet doesn't even evolve till Lv.54...
It is a good shaking grass encounter
Bringing the Thunder
Maybe as a Shaking Spot encounter, but I still can't see it fitting in that kind of environment. Vullaby/Rufflet usually like drier, more mountainous areas. So maybe Rt. 4/Desert Resort at the absolute earliest. Although I still think it's better as a late game Pokemon.
These are the areas I'd consider most suitable for Vullaby/Rufflet:
Reversal Mountain Outside
Rt. 15
Rt. 11
Rt. 23
Victory Road
Last edited by Bolt the Cat; 19th October 2012 at 6:21 PM.
Marthy Beller Mask
Except they wouldn't evolve for like 50 levels.
I'd rather have Starly than either of them.
Or at least Taillow, or even something like Spearow or Doduo.
I think GameFreak just tries to avoid overwhelming the player on the first Route. No first Route has ever had more than four Pokemon available on it (because Hoothoot replaced Pidgey and Sentret at night in HG), and most have either two or three.
By "that early," he means "first Route in the game."
As in, "before you probably have your starter Pokemon's evolution."
Bringing the Thunder
It's not really that overwhelming, and it'd be better to have at least one or two more Pokemon on Rt. 19 for pacing purposes, as Rt. 20 and Flocessy Ranch are even more overwhelming.
Astral Charm Owner
Whoever thought it was a good idea to lock out the entirety of Route 3 before getting the Trio Badge was really dumb. There'd be nothing wrong with having more Pokémon available for capture. It wouldn't be overwhelming the player because the player would have a choice to go onto the northern half of Route 3 before the first gym (the player would choose to "overwhelm" themselves), and if they didn't, they'd have to go through the route anyway (at which point the number of Pokémon wouldn't be overwhelming anymore).
Marthy Beller Mask
Probably because that would be unfair to Snivy users, considering that Oshawott users could pick up Pidoves and Tepig users could get Blitzles, but Snivy users would be stuck with just the one Panpour.
Forest Trainer
Either that or they desperately wanted to teach you type advantages using the monkeys.
Speaking of the monkeys are there less of them now in BW2? It seemed like 2 trainers on every Route had one of them in BW.
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Marthy Beller Mask
Yeah, there's less of them. The Trainers this time around are much more varied.
Forest Trainer
Wonderful, not only were they annoying, but they all had the exact same moveset, bar their STAB, which never changed because its a stone evolution. Throughout the game you could defeat them in almost the exact same manner as before.
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Sexy Cowboy
I hope aron could be found somewhere else besides white forest, cause I got black 2 for the version exclusive. But am planning to get white w, just not soon enough.
Aron in Virbank complex. I dont get it, they got one steel type :/
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Astral Charm Owner
I don't think you can find any Pokémon in White Forest in White 2, right?
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He's in Mistralton Cave if I remember correctly in W2.
Astral Charm Owner
Would it really be unfair? I mean, it'd really only be unfair if Snivy users didn't have access to a Water-type to douse the Fire-types that they would be facing, but they do. But since they do, it isn't really unfair.
From what I see, at that point in the game, having more than one Pokémon to take care of type advantages isn't "more fair" than having only one Pokémon to take care of type advantages.
Dreams of Cruelty...
Given that the entire point of the first Gym is to teach about basic type advantages, then yes, it is.
Bringing the Thunder
The solution to that is to give you access to Wellspring Cave, which would allow Snivy users to use Roggenrola against Pansear.
Aron is available in Mistralton Cave in BW2.
Yeah, but it's unfair that experienced players can't apply their knowledge of type advantages and catch other Pokemon that would have an advantage against the triplets. There's not that much variety in Rt. 1 and 2, just Normal and Dark type Pokemon.
Marthy Beller Mask
Okay, but that also lets Oshawott users use Woobat against Pansage.
It's way easier to just keep it as is with the free monkey.
Bringing the Thunder
It doesn't really matter that much if one has two, just as long as they all have at least one.
Marthy Beller Mask
Like their own Pan-monkey?
Bringing the Thunder
Besides the monkey trio.
Marthy Beller Mask
Because beating them with just the Pan-monkey is so difficult, right?
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