Expanded Pokedex Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Wishing Star]

Well sure, there's dozens of "what if" scenarios if you want to add Machop to the Unova Dex, but the Unova Dex is fine the way it is. Again, it's not about who or what, but where and when.

Mhm, it is fine how it is right now. The whole Machop-replacing-Riolu thing was just me trying to preserve the rarity of Riolu and Lucario, if you know what I mean.

[Bolt the Cat]

Mhm, it is fine how it is right now. The whole Machop-replacing-Riolu thing was just me trying to preserve the rarity of Riolu and Lucario, if you know what I mean.

Then make it a Shaking Spot Pokemon.

[Wishing Star]

Then make it a Shaking Spot Pokemon.

Yeah, that'd work (95% Audino and 5% Riolu). Actually, now that I think about it, it doesn't really make sense that only Audino appear in shaking spots (at least, at the beginning of the game).

[OceanicLanturn]

I don't really like how Munna is unavailable pre-E4, they could at least toss it as a gift or something... dunno o_O

I don't like how Chinochou didn't get in (huge personal bias xD). That was a really biased statement, but N has a Lanturn on his spring team, so I thought it might make sense xD

I'm actually quite surprised that the Pikachu line didn't make the cut. I guess that it's losing its marketing status xD!

[sAv1Or)]

Yeah, that'd work (95% Audino and 5% Riolu). Actually, now that I think about it, it doesn't really make sense that only Audino appear in shaking spots (at least, at the beginning of the game).

Isn't Riolu already in the low percentile for encounters?

[Wishing Star]

I don't really like how Munna is unavailable pre-E4, they could at least toss it as a gift or something... dunno o_O

I don't like how Chinochou didn't get in (huge personal bias xD). That was a really biased statement, but N has a Lanturn on his spring team, so I thought it might make sense xD

I'm actually quite surprised that the Pikachu line didn't make the cut. I guess that it's losing its marketing status xD!

I agree with you on the Munna.

I personally don't see why they'd go out of their way to put in Chinchou and Lanturn into the game, out of all Pokémon.

As for Pikachu, it hasn't been in every single regional dex, has it? I wouldn't say that it's losing its marketing status.

[Bolt the Cat]

I don't really like how Munna is unavailable pre-E4, they could at least toss it as a gift or something... dunno o_O

Lostlorn Forest and Strange House come to mind as plausible places for Munna to inhabit.

I'm actually quite surprised that the Pikachu line didn't make the cut. I guess that it's losing its marketing status xD!

I'm not bothered that Pikachu isn't in the Unova Dex, but the fact that it hasn't been catchable at all in 5th gen is utterly baffling. I mean, aside from two events that never made it to the West, there is absolutely no way to get the Pikachu line without using Poketransfer.

Isn't Riolu already in the low percentile for encounters?

That's true, if Riolu is the only Fighting type at that point, you should make it more common than that (maybe 80-20 or something).

[OceanicLanturn]

I agree with you on the Munna.

I personally don't see why they'd go out of their way to put in Chinchou and Lanturn into the game, out of all Pokémon.

As for Pikachu, it hasn't been in every single regional dex, has it? I wouldn't say that it's losing its marketing status.

Like I said, Chinochou and Lanturn are just for biased statement.

I agree with Bolt. Without Poketransfer, it is literally impossible to get Pikachu without wifi or anything.

Red/Blue/Green/Yellow Regional Pokedex: Pikachu is there, obviously
Gold/Silver/Crystal Regional Pokedex: Pikachu is available... more or less, though it's post E4
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald: Pikachu is in the regional dex
Diamond/Pearl/Platinum: Pikachu is there...

Eh, Pikachu's there in every game. In the regional dex, of course. It makes it kinda weird how BW and BW2 didn't introduce Pika into the regional dex

[sAv1Or)]

That's true, if Riolu is the only Fighting type at that point, you should make it more common than that (maybe 80-20 or something).

I see what you're saying

I think they made it rare IMO because:
A.) Preserve its' legacy
B.) Lucario is a relatively strong Pokemon especially if you get him early
C.) I don't think people were expecting it so they wanted it to be a surprise by it randomly popping up after X amount of wild battles

[Bolt the Cat]

Like I said, Chinochou and Lanturn are just for biased statement.

I agree with Bolt. Without Poketransfer, it is literally impossible to get Pikachu without wifi or anything.

Red/Blue/Green/Yellow Regional Pokedex: Pikachu is there, obviously
Gold/Silver/Crystal Regional Pokedex: Pikachu is available... more or less, though it's post E4
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald: Pikachu is in the regional dex
Diamond/Pearl/Platinum: Pikachu is there...

Eh, Pikachu's there in every game. In the regional dex, of course. It makes it kinda weird how BW and BW2 didn't introduce Pika into the regional dex

Well I don't think putting Pikachu in the Unova Dex was necessary, but they should've at least put it in BW1 or BW2's post game.

I see what you're saying

I think they made it rare IMO because:
A.) Preserve its' legacy
B.) Lucario is a relatively strong Pokemon especially if you get him early
C.) I don't think people were expecting it so they wanted it to be a surprise by it randomly popping up after X amount of wild battles

And it still can if it's only a 20% encounter rate through Shaking Spots. Do you know how ridiculous it would be to catch it if it was a 5% encounter through Shaking Spots? You'd be searching there for hours just to find one (okay, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point). For something that's almost required for the first gym, you don't want to make it that rare.

[sAv1Or)]

Eh, Pikachu's there in every game. In the regional dex, of course. It makes it kinda weird how BW and BW2 didn't introduce Pika into the regional dex

They gave us Elekid so I'm not complaining

[Bolt the Cat]

They gave us Elekid so I'm not complaining

Too bad it was White 2 only, though. But Magnemite more than makes up for it, especially for it to be available so early in the game.

[sAv1Or)]

Too bad it was White 2 only, though. But Magnemite more than makes up for it, especially for it to be available so early in the game.

Was Magby in B2 then? I didn't pay attention

But ya. Magnemite was awesome where it was. tbh, I've never been excited about Magnemite till BW2

[Wishing Star]

Eh, Pikachu's there in every game. In the regional dex, of course. It makes it kinda weird how BW and BW2 didn't introduce Pika into the regional dex

I guess with the fifth generation supposedly being a reboot (and thus, a break in formula) also came the lack of Pikachu in the Pokédex.

[OceanicLanturn]

I don't get how Grumpig is exclusive to B2 while Camerupt is exclusive to W2. It just strikes me off as weird. They don't have anything that's polar opposite. I mean Minun in Black 2 and Plusle in White 2 would make more sense (as much as I don't use it), but Grumpig and Camerupt is just...

They could've done the Mawile/Sableye thing in Desert Resort, and make Grumpig AND Camerupt non exclusives. I think Mawile/Sableye is more fitting to the surrounding, Volcano and a ghost house nearby... What a psycho pig is doing there is beyond me.

[Wishing Star]

I don't get how Grumpig is exclusive to B2 while Camerupt is exclusive to W2. It just strikes me off as weird. They don't have anything that's polar opposite. I mean Minun in Black 2 and Plusle in White 2 would make more sense (as much as I don't use it), but Grumpig and Camerupt is just...

They could've done the Mawile/Sableye thing in Desert Resort, and make Grumpig AND Camerupt non exclusives. I think Mawile/Sableye is more fitting to the surrounding, Volcano and a ghost house nearby... What a psycho pig is doing there is beyond me.

Same with Magby and Elekid... I don't really see anything that's polar-opposite about them. :/

[sAv1Or)]

Same with Magby and Elekid... I don't really see anything that's polar-opposite about them. :/

They have a long history of being like that. They are like cousins basically

[Bolt the Cat]

Was Magby in B2 then? I didn't pay attention

Yeah, they switched them in this game.

[Wishing Star]

They have a long history of being like that. They are like cousins basically

Oh really, just like Mawile and Sableye? I didn't know that. o:

[Bolt the Cat]

Oh really, just like Mawile and Sableye? I didn't know that. o:

Yep.

Electabuzz/Magmar were version exclusives in Red/Blue and FireRed/LeafGreen. Then they were available in DPPt by putting their respective game in the GBA slot. And now in this game, they switched them from the game they would normally be in (normally Elekid would be in Black 2 and Magby would be in White 2). There's also the fact that they received baby forms and later evolutions at the same time, and have always been in the same regional dex. They're counterparts in every sense of the word.

[Wishing Star]

Yep.

Electabuzz/Magmar were version exclusives in Red/Blue and FireRed/LeafGreen. Then they were available in DPPt by putting their respective game in the GBA slot. And now in this game, they switched them from the game they would normally be in (normally Elekid would be in Black 2 and Magby would be in White 2). There's also the fact that they received baby forms and later evolutions at the same time, and have always been in the same regional dex. They're counterparts in every sense of the word.

I see. (:

But wait, what happened to Scyther and Pinsir? Weren't they version exclusives in gen I, too? And then Game Freak decided to screw one of them over by not giving one an evolution?

[Bolt the Cat]

I see. (:

But wait, what happened to Scyther and Pinsir? Weren't they version exclusives in gen I, too? And then Game Freak decided to screw one of them over by not giving one an evolution?

There's been several other examples as well. For instance, Oddish/Bellsprout used to be version exclusives before Gloom got an alt evo. In those cases, they simply stop using them as version exclusive pairs, sometimes they find something else, too. In Scyther/Pinsir's case, they substituted Scyther for Heracross in BW2 and that works out fine.

[Charoshi]

Personally, I've always thought Camerupt/Wailord to be kind of opposites, with one learning eruption and the other water spout, and coming from the same gen, even though they weren't version exclusives. So I guess they just added Grumpig in there because they wanted another Hoenn Pokemon, and it's catchable in the same region as Numel in Hoenn, and made Wailord in both games. Just my 2¢ though.

[dirkac]

I don't get how Grumpig is exclusive to B2 while Camerupt is exclusive to W2. It just strikes me off as weird. They don't have anything that's polar opposite. I mean Minun in Black 2 and Plusle in White 2 would make more sense (as much as I don't use it), but Grumpig and Camerupt is just...

They could've done the Mawile/Sableye thing in Desert Resort, and make Grumpig AND Camerupt non exclusives. I think Mawile/Sableye is more fitting to the surrounding, Volcano and a ghost house nearby... What a psycho pig is doing there is beyond me.

Yeah. I think they should've instead made Camerupt exclusive to one, and Wailord to the other, as they're counterpars anyway.

As for Grumpig... I don't think it has a counterpart, but Swalot does kinda fit as a counterpart I guess... But it's not even available anyway.

[Charoshi]

Yeah. I think they should've instead made Camerupt exclusive to one, and Wailord to the other, as they're counterpars anyway.

As for Grumpig... I don't think it has a counterpart, but Swalot does kinda fit as a counterpart I guess... But it's not even available anyway.

I actually think it was more convenient, at least for GF, for them to have the version exclusive Pokemon in the same area, which I guess is why they picked Grumpig, because I guess it did live near the volcano in Hoenn.