Expanded Pokedex Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[Moonlight_Tails]

they made it so you can't breed till after you get the national dex!?

[GoldCyndaquil]

Anyone who knows anything about probability can tell you it doesn't work like that. Since every encounter is an independent event, there is no guarantee that you'll get a Riolu after 20 Pokemon or a shiny after 8192 or anything like that. It could be on your first try or your millionth try.

Exactly, that's what I was trying to say. Shinies aren't guaranteed for every one in 8192 or one riolu for every 20 others.

[R_N]

5% isn't so bad. Yanma in HGSS was a real pain at 1% :P

Yanma was at least a swarmer

You want bad you want RSE Chimecho. 2% chance at the tip of Mt. Pyre and unlike Surskit (1%) & Skitty (2%) there's no swarms to up its rate

[your boss]

Wished stuff like Deino would be found earlier in the game instead of having to breed it.

[Star Champion AJ]

You guys are so lucky. I don't get Skarmory until, like after the 7th gym, and I have to trade a Sneasel egg over from Black so I don't have to wait until Giant Chasm to get one.

My problem with Metang (I was going to train one, but there was a problem) was waiting until getting access to Giant Chasm (I'm not able to trade) and I like getting a full team before getting 5-6 badges.

Note: In my White playthrough, excluding Braviary and Hydreigon (post-game), I got a full team when I got access to Dragonspiral Tower (after the 7th badge)

[rocky505]

Yanma was at least a swarmer

You want bad you want RSE Chimecho. 2% chance at the tip of Mt. Pyre and unlike Surskit (1%) & Skitty (2%) there's no swarms to up its rate

Munchlax will always be the hardest to find to me

[your boss]

Munchlax will always be the hardest to find to me

Yeah that thing took me a month just to find one.

[Bolt the Cat]

they made it so you can't breed till after you get the national dex!?

Unfortunately yes. They were too lazy to move the Day Care Center to somewhere that you can access before post game. Which is a shame, because off the top of my head, Sangi Ranch would've been a great place for it.

Yanma was at least a swarmer

You want bad you want RSE Chimecho. 2% chance at the tip of Mt. Pyre and unlike Surskit (1%) & Skitty (2%) there's no swarms to up its rate

Oh God, I remember looking for Chimecho for hours, that thing was definitely one of the rarest in Pokemon history.

My problem with Metang (I was going to train one, but there was a problem) was waiting until getting access to Giant Chasm (I'm not able to trade) and I like getting a full team before getting 5-6 badges.

And that's another thing, most of my team members are late game. I can't get Gligar until before the 7th gym, Mienfoo until the 8th (I want a Hidden Hollow Mienfoo), Metang until Giant Chasm, and Zweilous until Victory Road. I'm stuck with Serperior and Arcanine (actually Growlithe since I'm probably going to wait to evolve it) for most of the game, and my team isn't going to be complete until the ****ing Pokemon League. This is another reason why I'm pissed that the Day Care is post game, I could get around that by breeding. There's way too many Pokemon clustered at the end of the game.

Munchlax will always be the hardest to find to me

Don't even get me started on the honey trees. Those things were so hard to use I didn't even bother with them and just got all of the Pokemon off the GTS.

[GoldCyndaquil]

And that's another thing, most of my team members are late game. I can't get Gligar until before the 7th gym, Mienfoo until the 8th (I want a Hidden Hollow Mienfoo), Metang until Giant Chasm, and Zweilous until Victory Road. I'm stuck with Serperior and Arcanine (actually Growlithe since I'm probably going to wait to evolve it) for most of the game, and my team isn't going to be complete until the ****ing Pokemon League. This is another reason why I'm pissed that the Day Care is post game, I could get around that by breeding. There's way too many Pokemon clustered at the end of the game.

Easy way to bypass that situation, breed them in BW1 then just trade the eggs over. Simple as that.

[R_N]

Easy way to bypass that situation, breed them in BW1 then just trade the eggs over. Simple as that.

Simple it may be (mercifully so, really) but he's complaint is still somewhat valid.
All the games do this to some extreme or the other but I'm guessing the developers didn't think most of your would-be team would be crowded toward the end

[Bolt the Cat]

Easy way to bypass that situation, breed them in BW1 then just trade the eggs over. Simple as that.

Not that simple for me. I want them to have my OT, but I also want to make sure it has halfway decent IVs and stuff, so in order for it to work I'd need to trade upwards of 100 or so eggs over, and that'd be extremely time consuming. Also, Beldum and Deino/Zweilous are tough Pokemon to raise from Lv. 1. I might do that for Gligar, though.

[GoldCyndaquil]

Simple it may be (mercifully so, really) but he's complaint is still somewhat valid.
All the games do this to some extreme or the other but I'm guessing the developers didn't think most of your would-be team would be crowded toward the end

I understand the complaint entirely. I had originally wanted to use a Metagross on my team. If anything I'll borrow my shiny one back from my best friend.

[your boss]

This pokedex may not be perfect but we still have great options to choose from.

[Bolt the Cat]

This pokedex may not be perfect but we still have great options to choose from.

It's not as much the Pokedex itself that bothers me, though, it's the Pokemon distribution. There's a lot of Pokemon clustered at the end of the game (although to be fair, the last two gyms cover an absolutely massive area, but I think maybe they should've considered moving another gym to East Unova) and quite a few that are post game (which pretty much defeats the purpose of having them in the regional dex). With Shaking Spots and Double Grass theoretically doubling or sometimes even tripling the amount of Pokemon we can find in each area, there's just no excuse for that.

[your boss]

It's not as much the Pokedex itself that bothers me, though, it's the Pokemon distribution. There's a lot of Pokemon clustered at the end of the game (although to be fair, the last two gyms cover an absolutely massive area, but I think maybe they should've considered moving another gym to East Unova) and quite a few that are post game (which pretty much defeats the purpose of having them in the regional dex). With Shaking Spots and Double Grass theoretically doubling or sometimes even tripling the amount of Pokemon we can find in each area, there's just no excuse for that.

Yeah I see, I wanted a Deino earlier in the game but instead Zweilous is found instead, which is find for me.

[MetalFlygon08]

FRLG didn't allow breeding till postgame just a little fyi ya know.

[GoldCyndaquil]

FRLG didn't allow breeding till postgame just a little fyi ya know.

Yes which absolutely sucked, fyi.

[Bolt the Cat]

FRLG didn't allow breeding till postgame just a little fyi ya know.

That's because breeding in FRLG would've given you access to National Dex Pokemon. What's BW2's excuse?

[R_N]

It's not as much the Pokedex itself that bothers me, though, it's the Pokemon distribution. There's a lot of Pokemon clustered at the end of the game (although to be fair, the last two gyms cover an absolutely massive area, but I think maybe they should've considered moving another gym to East Unova) and quite a few that are post game (which pretty much defeats the purpose of having them in the regional dex). With Shaking Spots and Double Grass theoretically doubling or sometimes even tripling the amount of Pokemon we can find in each area, there's just no excuse for that.

I don't think they wanted Shaking Grass & Double Grass to just overcrowd the routes with Pokemon. Some of them get crowded as-is.
Doubles was more to give increased levels for training
Shaking was to hide away Audinos and evolved Pokemon if you're lucky.

They're there and were likely designed for those purposes, not shoving in as many pokemon as they could. Otherwise we'd probably have, like, a 400 long Pokedex.



Putting Unova dex mons in the post game mystifies me, though, yes. Especially ones like Yanam or Lickitung who were specifically moved from their positions in BW1 that are available pre-game in BW2; so that was a specific design decision. Do they even show up on trainers before then?

[Wulava]

Oh God, I remember looking for Chimecho for hours, that thing was definitely one of the rarest in Pokemon history.

RSE Feebas says hi.
I was lucky to find Chimecho after 2-5 wild encounters despite the low encounter rate.

That's because breeding in FRLG would've given you access to National Dex Pokemon. What's BW2's excuse?

I think there's really no excuse. The Daycare happened to be on Route 3, which happened to be a post-game area.

Putting Unova dex mons in the post game mystifies me, though, yes. Especially ones like Yanam or Lickitung who were specifically moved from their positions in BW1 that are available pre-game in BW2; so that was a specific design decision. Do they even show up on trainers before then?

Trainers that have Yanma and Lickitung are post-game trainers.