Expanded Pokedex Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[mythixpr0]

Does anybody know where the guy is that registers Thundurus, Landurus, and Tornadus in your pokedex is? Trying to see all pokemon in dex, also, do you need Meloetta/Keldeo seen to get the pokedex complete bonus?

[Ememew]

Does anybody know where the guy is that registers Thundurus, Landurus, and Tornadus in your pokedex is? Trying to see all pokemon in dex, also, do you need Meloetta/Keldeo seen to get the pokedex complete bonus?

The house on Route 7 (after some of the raised walkways and before the Twist Mountain area). It's the place you go to heal your pokemon, not the house where you trade Emolga for Gigilith.

Event pokemon are not needed to complete the Dex.

[Wishing Star]

Version exclusives have never had to be the same type, this is nothing new.

In terms of Magby and Elekid, I know.

But if two version exclusive Pokémon are going to share types, they might as well share both types instead of share just one.

[sAv1Or)]

In terms of Magby and Elekid, I know.

But if two version exclusive Pokémon are going to share types, they might as well share both types instead of share just one.

Whether it be Scyther or Heracross, either way you'd end up w/ a dual type

[Wishing Star]

Whether it be Scyther or Heracross, either way you'd end up w/ a dual type

It's different in the case with Scyther and Heracross. Barring Scyther's evolution, it makes much more sense for a pair of Pokémon that share one type but have a different second type to be version exclusives (much like Reshiram and Zekrom or Dialga and Palkia).

[sAv1Or)]

It's different in the case with Scyther and Heracross. Barring Scyther's evolution, it makes much more sense for a pair of Pokémon that share one type but have a different second type to be version exclusives (much like Reshiram and Zekrom or Dialga and Palkia).

But Heracross and Pinsir are both basic forms with no evolution. I think that's what their point was. Plus they are statistically similar barring one has better SpDefense and one has better Defense/SpAtk. They are both great Pokemon so I'm not complaining

[Bolt the Cat]

Okay, why in God's name is Heatmor only catchable in Twist Mountain of all places?

[Excitable Boy]

Okay, why in God's name is Heatmor only catchable in Twist Mountain of all places?

They moved it along with Durant from Victory Road.

No, I don't why they didn't just keep them there.

[Bolt the Cat]

They moved it along with Durant from Victory Road.

No, I don't why they didn't just keep them there.

They both should've been in either Victory Road or Reversal Mountain or something.

[Excitable Boy]

They both should've been in either Victory Road or Reversal Mountain or something.

They're both in Reversal Mountain, Durant and Heatmor.

[Bolt the Cat]

They're both in Reversal Mountain, Durant and Heatmor.

No they're not. Heatmor is only in Twist Mountain, and Durant is in Twist Mountain and Clay Tunnel. Neither of them are in Reversal Mountain, or any area before post game.

[Excitable Boy]

Twist, Reversal, same thing.

They moved there because Durant moved there.

[Bolt the Cat]

Twist, Reversal, same thing.

They moved there because Durant moved there.

Again, neither of them should've been there and neither of them should've been post game only. So no, not the same thing, it makes a huge difference in terms of accessibility.

[Excitable Boy]

Again, neither of them should've been there and neither of them should've been post game only. So no, not the same thing, it makes a huge difference in terms of accessibility.

How many people actually used Heatmor during BW1?

Just asking.

[Bolt the Cat]

How many people actually used Heatmor during BW1?

Just asking.

That's besides the point. They shouldn't be blocking off more than a handful of Unova Dex Pokemon until post game, that defeats the purpose of them being in the Unova Dex in the first place.

[Excitable Boy]

That's besides the point. They shouldn't be blocking off more than a handful of Unova Dex Pokemon until post game, that defeats the purpose of them being in the Unova Dex in the first place.

They're in the Unova Dex because they're Unova Pokemon. Every Unova Pokemon, whether it's found pre- or post- game, is in the updated Dex.

[Bolt the Cat]

They're in the Unova Dex because they're Unova Pokemon. Every Unova Pokemon, whether it's found pre- or post- game, is in the updated Dex.

That'd make having a regional dex pointless from a gameplay perspective. The regional dex's real point is to display what kind of Pokemon can be found before you get the National Dex. Making regional dex Pokemon unavailable until post game defeats that purpose.

[Profesco]

I have to say I was a little deflated when learning that a good deal of Unova Pokemon weren't actually accessible until post-E4. I suppose I'd just lulled myself into thinking the availability rule would keep from the first games - all Unova Pokemon, all the time. A silly assumption on my part. =P

As for the migration of Heatmor and Durant, I imagined it like this: with N's Castle destroying the Victory Road of two years ago, all the Durant found their burrows in a shambles. Being a highly organized and socially cohesive Pokemon, the Durant couldn't stand the mess and thus uniformly sought out a new earthy home. Since Reversal Mountain was already populated with heaps of Fire type Pokemon, the Durants' biggest weakness, they settled in the next-nearest mountain, Twist. They probably figured its cold temperature, relative isolation amidst wet and wintry land, and high count of Ice type Pokemon would make it a safer haven from the average wandering Fire type. They were right, of course, but they overlooked one major flaw: predators go where the prey is. Heatmor, being Durants' major natural predator, couldn't remain in a Durant-less Victory Road! As the Durant migrated, so did the Heatmor. And if it means maintaining a healthy supply of delicious Durant for the flame-tongue, Heatmor would be only too willing to muscle in on some Ice types' territory, most likely using that very same flame-tongue to do the muscling. If only Durant were a little brighter, they'd have seen the inevitability of this fact. (Luckily, a few Durant on the brighter side have figured out how to sneak into the Clay tunnel unpursued while the Heatmor are content to patrol their newfound Twist Mountain colony. It makes you wonder what new surprises another two years might bring!)

[Bolt the Cat]

I have to say I was a little deflated when learning that a good deal of Unova Pokemon weren't actually accessible until post-E4. I suppose I'd just lulled myself into thinking the availability rule would keep from the first games - all Unova Pokemon, all the time. A silly assumption on my part. =P

That's not a silly assumption at all. When have we ever had more than a handful of Pokemon only available post game? Besides HGSS, of course, which has a fairly loose definition of post game in the first place.

As for the migration of Heatmor and Durant, I imagined it like this: with N's Castle destroying the Victory Road of two years ago, all the Durant found their burrows in a shambles. Being a highly organized and socially cohesive Pokemon, the Durant couldn't stand the mess and thus uniformly sought out a new earthy home. Since Reversal Mountain was already populated with heaps of Fire type Pokemon, the Durants' biggest weakness, they settled in the next-nearest mountain, Twist. They probably figured its cold temperature, relative isolation amidst wet and wintry land, and high count of Ice type Pokemon would make it a safer haven from the average wandering Fire type. They were right, of course, but they overlooked one major flaw: predators go where the prey is. Heatmor, being Durants' major natural predator, couldn't remain in a Durant-less Victory Road! As the Durant migrated, so did the Heatmor. And if it means maintaining a healthy supply of delicious Durant for the flame-tongue, Heatmor would be only too willing to muscle in on some Ice types' territory, most likely using that very same flame-tongue to do the muscling. If only Durant were a little brighter, they'd have seen the inevitability of this fact. (Luckily, a few Durant on the brighter side have figured out how to sneak into the Clay tunnel unpursued while the Heatmor are content to patrol their newfound Twist Mountain colony. It makes you wonder what new surprises another two years might bring!)

There are two problems with your theory. First of all, what's stopping them from simply moving to the new Victory Road, which is more or less undisturbed (oddly enough, even though N's Castle is now just east of it)? Second, Reversal Mountain is barely a volcano in the first place. There's barely any Fire types there (Heatran and Numel/Camerupt in White 2 only), and in Black 2 you can't even really call it a volcano, there's water there instead of lava. I think Durant will be fine. Either way, there's definitely other places to put them then Twist Mountain.

[Blazios]

I like how people have finally started make references to Pokémon outside the region's Pokédex with these games, like Bianca with Heatran, a Ranger on Route 20 mentioning Burmy and we have a Gloom reference in Castelia Sewers.