Team Plasma and Pierce to potentially return?

[Ciccone]

His VA tweeted about it. But he gave no context for the appearance.

I think this is the post where it mentions it.

I see. Thanks. Although personally, I'm not sure if this is really confirmation that Looker will be returning; if I recall correctly, Misty's seiyuu said that she would have a role in DP, but it never happened. Things change, so I won't get my hopes up.

[Cresselia92]

I see. Thanks. Although personally, I'm not sure if this is really confirmation that Looker will be returning; if I recall correctly, Misty's seiyuu said that she would have a role in DP, but it never happened. Things change, so I won't get my hopes up.

Neither I will. If the episodes do happen, cool. If Looker appears again, cool. If nothing of this happens, cool.

At this point, I really don't care about those "postponed" episodes. I lived for more than a year without Team Plasma, I can live like that for the rest of the saga. No need to hope keenly for an event and end up disappointed if that doesn't happen.

[fer92]

Now I said that the two-partner could air. And because if the date is wrong will be know soon I said that's the two-partner could finally air in December, with the possible date on 27th Decembe as a TV-Special.* Why? Because there's many hints on them.

-First, and the most important, anime-related merchandise mentions Genesect being related to Team Plasma. This is important because Genesect Backstory is tied to Team Plasma. We know that Genesect will appear in the next movie and to be aired the "Plasma issue" has to dissappear at least sightly. And we know that the next trailer will come the next month.
-Second, the Looker's VA comment. I notice one thing that Looker appears in the 2-partner because of Team Plasma and he has an appareance in BW, not in B2W2 (for this reason could be the only "older" scheduled to return in BW1).
-Third, Liepard is confirmed to appear via a calendar that is known to feature pokemon of the movie. And you know that Liepard appears in the 2-partner. And this Liepard is compatible with other Liepard appearing in the League via Kotetsu/Stephan. Hydreigon isn't suspecting at the moment, but Liepard is now.
-Fourth, the BW data broadcast is known until the BW-23 although we only known until BWs2-21 (and BWs2-21 is Umbreon, by the way). I give this not because of Hydreigon, but because there's only three timeslots to that Live Caster and I think that the 27th is a normal timeslot (the 3rd January it's the special, in Japan only New Year it's really special, remember episodes before the Christmas' dinner). And it's very feausible to have stored all the timeslot until the end of the year now.
-Fifth, the Goltik comment. Although we can be sure aout some comment of this "TPCi worker", he's supposed to have some information.
-Sixth, the Unova part of Best Wishes is almost ending. Makes sense to air this two-partner before Unova will end
-And seventh, the producers hasn't removed the previews from anywhere in this series. If TV Tokyo officialy declares the episodes banned, they are changing the preview and deleted the message (that happens with the Porygon episode and the Whiscash episode)

I said that isn't confirmed, but now I think that the 2-partner could air. Specially because the Genesect is tied to Team Plasma and explaining that with Team Plasma itself "banned" isn't the right move.

Now, in the case of this episodes air, what will happen?
-First, the two partner will be aired in the timeslot that's supposed to be, between BW22 and BW25.
-The episodes will have the basic plot that's supposed to air when first happened.
-The episodes will have the opening, ending and eyecatch that is supposed to have when them first aired.
-But the episodes will be edited to remove the scenes that caused to be postponed (this is that Goltik said apparently).

The things that I don't see with Team Plasma is having a central role in the Team Plasma like AgentPierce said in the filler sga that couldn't be in Unova. And Team Rocket will return to the anime after the league, in serious or funny mode.

[KibaLG8]

Now I said that the two-partner could air. And because if the date is wrong will be know soon I said that's the two-partner could finally air in December, with the possible date on 27th Decembe as a TV-Special.* Why? Because there's many hints on them.

-First, and the most important, anime-related merchandise mentions Genesect being related to Team Plasma. This is important because Genesect Backstory is tied to Team Plasma. We know that Genesect will appear in the next movie and to be aired the "Plasma issue" has to dissappear at least sightly. And we know that the next trailer will come the next month.
-Second, the Looker's VA comment. I notice one thing that Looker appears in the 2-partner because of Team Plasma and he has an appareance in BW, not in B2W2 (for this reason could be the only "older" scheduled to return in BW1).
-Third, Liepard is confirmed to appear via a calendar that is known to feature pokemon of the movie. And you know that Liepard appears in the 2-partner. And this Liepard is compatible with other Liepard appearing in the League via Kotetsu/Stephan. Hydreigon isn't suspecting at the moment, but Liepard is now.
-Fourth, the BW data broadcast is known until the BW-23 although we only known until BWs2-21 (and BWs2-21 is Umbreon, by the way). I give this not because of Hydreigon, but because there's only three timeslots to that Live Caster and I think that the 27th is a normal timeslot (the 3rd January it's the special, in Japan only New Year it's really special, remember episodes before the Christmas' dinner). And it's very feausible to have stored all the timeslot until the end of the year now.
-Fifth, the Goltik comment. Although we can be sure aout some comment of this "TPCi worker", he's supposed to have some information.
-Sixth, the Unova part of Best Wishes is almost ending. Makes sense to air this two-partner before Unova will end
-And seventh, the producers hasn't removed the previews from anywhere in this series. If TV Tokyo officialy declares the episodes banned, they are changing the preview and deleted the message (that happens with the Porygon episode and the Whiscash episode)

I said that isn't confirmed, but now I think that the 2-partner could air. Specially because the Genesect is tied to Team Plasma and explaining that with Team Plasma itself "banned" isn't the right move.

Now, in the case of this episodes air, what will happen?
-First, the two partner will be aired in the timeslot that's supposed to be, between BW22 and BW25.
-The episodes will have the basic plot that's supposed to air when first happened.
-The episodes will have the opening, ending and eyecatch that is supposed to have when them first aired.
-But the episodes will be edited to remove the scenes that caused to be postponed (this is that Goltik said apparently).

The things that I don't see with Team Plasma is having a central role in the Team Plasma like AgentPierce said in the filler sga that couldn't be in Unova. And Team Rocket will return to the anime after the league, in serious or funny mode.

Then they might as well not show them if its just going to be edited. They aren't going to edit it, they already confirmed that the 2-Parter is in TV Tokyo's possession, with no edits & its up to TVTokyo when to show them.

Giovanni was only involved in the last arc. Otherwise, he's been doing other things in Kanto, so it is hardly unfeasible that Looker could have followed there. As for why Looker didn't follow him back to Unova, Operation Tempest simply didn't last very long. The simple reason is that the writers preferred to focus on Cynthia and Larry instead.

Operation Tempest lasted 15 episodes, 7 less then the one Looker was set to reappear in. Not to mention the other 3 arcs Team Rocket had. Giovanni may have not been involved in 3/4 TR plots they had after the Meteonite Arc, but Plasma Grunts seem to only be the ones present, so I don't get why Looker wouldn't investigate Team Rocket just because Giovanni wasn't the one doing the orders. This makes me believe Looker won't focus his attention on Team Rocket.

You should all consider the possibility that Team Plasma didn't just randomly disappear. Looker may have very well arrested them.

That seems downright impossible, the only way to disband a organization is to take down the leader, which would be Ghetsis. I doubt Ghetsis would appear in that 2-Parter so early in the series & get arrested, taking down Team Plasma. At the most a few grunts were probably arrested but that's not nearly enough to have Team Plasma vanish.

Again, you're assuming that the filler saga will still be set in Unova. That is not how the previous two filler sagas worked, and there is no obvious reason for Ash to stay in Unova after having been to every important location.

Well, it could be... but your also assuming that it will take place somewhere other than Unova. Just because it happened before doesn't mean it will here too. This series has broken past series trends, so don't assume the Filler Saga won't be in Unova. We have several Unova locations yet to be focused on in the Anime, White Forest/Black City, Liberty Garden, a few B2W2 exclusive locations, Aspertia City, Sanji Town/Ranch, they also have the PWT that they can expand on, a Senior Cup & Masters Cup. Iris's rivalry with Langley, Cilan's rivalry with Cabernet.

I also don't get why they need to revisit Kanto for a second time as a saga.

You can't say that without having watched the two-parter. I highly doubt that the Meteorite plot ended with Looker vowing to stop Team Plasma in the future, only to never be heard from for nearly two years.

Your doing the same by saying they were probably arrested. It's probably likely that Team Plasma escaped, so Looker went on to investigate on his own. And up until now they have shown signs of activity, explaining why Looker is reappearing in the series.

[Chomper4]

I agree with Cressila92 on this one. Plus, Looker may just be investgating something that may end up getting Adh and the gang going, "What the heck!?"

[CyberCubed]

The denial in this thread is astounding.

Some people like to deny things till the last minute.

[Pokemaniac24]

Do some of you people even WANT these episodes to air? I mean this is TEAM PLASMA we are talking about. And besides, we are all Pokemon fans on here and as Pokemon fans, wouldn't it make sense to want to see the conclusion to one of BW's earlier arcs (The Meteonite Arc)?

[Bushido Bob]

Do some of you people even WANT these episodes to air? I mean this is TEAM PLASMA we are talking about. And besides, we are all Pokemon fans on here and as Pokemon fans, wouldn't it make sense to want to see the conclusion to one of BW's earlier arcs (The Meteonite Arc)?

I imagine some people don't want to get their hopes up, only for it to not actually happen and be disappointed.

[The Great Butler]

I don't think the skipped episodes airing is 100% yet. I'd give it 90% right now just to be safe.

Looker returning, however, 100% definitely means Team Plasma is coming. Team Rocket is DONE. They retreated, went back to Kanto, are FINISHED in Unova. Looker was never interested in them before, and they are not coming back so soon, so they are not who he's after.

[AgentPierce]

Looker returning, however, 100% definitely means Team Plasma is coming. Team Rocket is DONE. They retreated, went back to Kanto, are FINISHED in Unova. Looker was never interested in them before, and they are not coming back so soon, so they are not who he's after.

Exactly. Thank you. And I again point to this magazine scan. Notice that the Japanese text for Team Plasma (Plasma Gang) shows up in the header of Looker's section and in the description. The text for Team Rocket (Rocket Gang) does not. His assignment was going after Team Plasma. If he's returning, then so are they, otherwise he has no purpose.

[The Great Butler]

Exactly. Thank you. And I again point to this magazine scan. Notice that the Japanese text for Team Plasma (Plasma Gang) shows up in the header of Looker's section and in the description. The text for Team Rocket (Rocket Gang) does not. His assignment was going after Team Plasma. If he's returning, then so are they, otherwise he has no purpose.

Just for convenience for anyone who doesn't know what to look for:

プラズマ団 > Plasma Gang/Team Plasma

ロケット団 > Rocket Gang/Team Rocket

I wonder if Team Rocket got a pardon from the International Police for helping Looker against Team Galactic. /runs

[Cresselia92]

Do some of you people even WANT these episodes to air? I mean this is TEAM PLASMA we are talking about. And besides, we are all Pokemon fans on here and as Pokemon fans, wouldn't it make sense to want to see the conclusion to one of BW's earlier arcs (The Meteonite Arc)?

People could even want to see Team Cipher and Team Snagem from Pokemon Colosseum/XD appear in the anime, but wanting something doesn't automatically mean that it will happen. People here want to see them, but as this poster said...

I imagine some people don't want to get their hopes up, only for it to not actually happen and be disappointed.

...we simply don't want to wish for something and end up with our hopes crushed.

Anyway, if Team Plasma indeed happens, I think that they will have their own standalone episodes. Because, as people have already said, Team Rocket is done in Unova. The unaired episodes revolved around Team Plasma vs Team Rocket. Since Team Rocket is already gone, what's the point in putting the organization again? Wouldn't that confuse people and create a plothole or an anachronism?

Sure, you could argue that they may make this clash happen in Kanto or some other region, so that Team Rocket and Team Plasma can meet each other. But that wouldn't make sense. What's the point in putting Unova's criminal organization in a region that isn't called Unova? They can't even make an anime exclusive region in the middle of Kanto and Unova since it was already said that the regions are so distant from each other that people need a plane, to arrive to the other region. That says a lot.

And again, the episodes were about to be aired on March 17 and March 24, 2011. Almost a year and eight months ago. What if after 3 or 4 months (random numbers) they decided to cancel the episodes (as scary as it sounds, since they surely spent a good amount of money for that) and create new ones (maybe even recycling some shots from the cancelled ones)? They had the time to do so, since an episode to be scripted and produced needs (according to what some people said) approximately 9 months.

What if they wanted to separate the teams and give to Team Rocket its finale (Meloetta and Kami Trio) and to Team Plasma (new or old) an anime appearance after the League? That would make more sense (IMO) and would satisfy the demanding fans.

Anyway, I don't care what will happen after the League. I'm not going to put my faith for something that is still in the air and not officially confirmed. Team Plasma should be a great event, it's ridiculous that they keep us in the shadows for so long. There should be something that proves that they're going to appear in the anime. Some official announcement. They always did so for important events, like for the unaired episodes and for the Pokemon World Tournament. That shouldn't be any different, since it's a good way to hype the fans. Probably we'll get a peek after the League (since it may dampen the League's enthusiasm if shown during), probably not.

For what I care, I'll be fine with whatever outcome, good or bad.

[ShinyCharyZard]

I'm personally not bothered if they air or not, they're only episodes of "Pokemon" for gods sake.. Plus if they're anything like the later two parters, then I'll just be disappointed anyway because they've been done terribly, so what's the point?

[CyberCubed]

I'm personally not bothered if they air or not, they're only episodes of "Pokemon" for gods sake.. Plus if they're anything like the later two parters, then I'll just be disappointed anyway because they've been done terribly, so what's the point?

Most recent villain team 2-parters have been done well, what are you talking about?

[ShinyCharyZard]

Personal opinion dear Cyber.. I had a personal dislike for the writing, animation and overall plot of them all. They focused too much on the lead up of each one, making them out to be something spectacular at the end, when in reality none were any better than Aqua/Magma.

[Honeyichigo]

Do some of you people even WANT these episodes to air? I mean this is TEAM PLASMA we are talking about. And besides, we are all Pokemon fans on here and as Pokemon fans, wouldn't it make sense to want to see the conclusion to one of BW's earlier arcs (The Meteonite Arc)?

So if we don't think the two-parter is going to air soon, we obviously don't want to and that makes us not true Pokemon fans? You're dangerously close to strawmanning there, Pokemaniac.

And while I would like to see the two-parter myself, I just don't think it's going to happen any time soon. At the most, it'll be released as a special of some sort on one of the DVDs or somewhere else out of the way. But considering how the Porygon episode and that Whishcash episode were handled, it's unlikely. Japan's just too touchy about things like that.

There's a chance Team Plasma can show up again, and that might be what Looker is showing up for, but we don't know that yet.

[CyberCubed]

Personal opinion dear Cyber.. I had a personal dislike for the writing, animation and overall plot of them all. They focused too much on the lead up of each one, making them out to be something spectacular at the end, when in reality none were any better than Aqua/Magma.

Of course the endings will always be the same...the legendaries going back to normal and departing, the villain team leaving....but they have all been done far better.

[ShinyCharyZard]

Yet I wasn't specifically talking about the endings.. I was talking about any BW two parter as a whole.

Subway - Meowth lead up was pretty great, but the finale? Terrible.
Milos Island - Disaster throughout..
Twist Mountain - See above..
Abyssal Ruins - Meloetta lead up was amazing! But again the two parter let it down..

So unless this one was going to be handled more like Galactic in DP was, then I won't like it and am therefore not interested in whether it airs or not..

[Chomper4]

So, it lools like Team Plasma might be the new Porygon if this keeps up.

[Pokemaniac24]

So if we don't think the two-parter is going to air soon, we obviously don't want to and that makes us not true Pokemon fans? You're dangerously close to strawmanning there, Pokemaniac.

And while I would like to see the two-parter myself, I just don't think it's going to happen any time soon. At the most, it'll be released as a special of some sort on one of the DVDs or somewhere else out of the way. But considering how the Porygon episode and that Whishcash episode were handled, it's unlikely. Japan's just too touchy about things like that.

There's a chance Team Plasma can show up again, and that might be what Looker is showing up for, but we don't know that yet.

But LOOKER is appearing. What more proof do you need!?

Since Team Rocket is already gone, what's the point in putting the organization again? Wouldn't that confuse people and create a plothole or an anachronism?

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To see the end to the Meteonite arc maybe.....