Community POTW #70

[Vandslaux]

Funny, I actually usually thought Heatmor's problem's were in it's mediocre stats, it's movepool seems pretty usable to me. Fire Blast, HP, Sucker Punch, Pursuit, SolarBeam, Stockpile.

[Lickilicky.my.Skitty]

I'm afraid I've never posted in the Pokemon of the Before, but I'm really interested in Heatmor. I think he should evolve, and also that he has a really odd movepool. The only thing setting him back are his stats...but Trick Room could take care of that.

Slow Anteater.
Item: Leftovers.
Ability: Flash Fire.
Nature: Brave.
EVs: 252 Hp, 148 Atk, 110 Sp. Atk
Moves:
-Heat Wave -Sucker Punch
-Stockpile -Swallow

This isn't the best set but it takes advantage of his low speed and mixed attack sets. Sucker Punch for priority and Heat Wave for a chance to burn, both utilizing an attack stat. Stockpile and Swallow and here to take advantage on the advance in HP. I run a trick room team and after writing this I'm interesting in trying to run one. Just for kicks though.

[pikadon92]

Try trick room + Brave/Quiet nature on heatmor. It will only be outsped by many bulky Pokemon in general.

Sunny is a notable weather in the nu tier now that swasbuck and charizard's tier had dropped. Now, solarbeam is a notable option to heatmor if used in sunny teams, or you can use it to suck in charizard's fire stabs, though it's the only move it can safely switch into. HP Rock will make heatmor a real threat, though charizard is faster and can switch out.

[Kraleck]

Stockpile and Swallow and here to take advantage on the advance in HP.

I think Stockpile would be better used without Spit Up or Swallow. Boosting both defenses is something quite useful for Heatmor with those below-average-bordering-bad Base 66's it has. It won't help much with HP because of Stealth Rock being so wide-spread, but if you can get in beforehand, bonus.

As for Speed, Base 65 is bad either way you go. Base 50 is a general maximum for Trick Room usage and Base 80 is a bare-minimum for non-Trick Room. Heatmor floats in no-mon's-land when it comes to Speed. You have to rely on both being Paralyzed and getting Speed debuffs for Trick Room to effectively succeed with Heatmor. Even then, Trick Room only lasts 5 turns and being that slow after it elapses is a death sentence...

[philzone]

I think Stockpile would be better used without Spit Up or Swallow. Boosting both defenses is something quite useful for Heatmor with those below-average-bordering-bad Base 66's it has. It won't help much with HP because of Stealth Rock being so wide-spread, but if you can get in beforehand, bonus.

As for Speed, Base 65 is bad either way you go. Base 50 is a general maximum for Trick Room usage and Base 80 is a bare-minimum for non-Trick Room. Heatmor floats in no-mon's-land when it comes to Speed. You have to rely on both being Paralyzed and getting Speed debuffs for Trick Room to effectively succeed with Heatmor. Even then, Trick Room only lasts 5 turns and being that slow after it elapses is a death sentence...

There is an item called iron ball,which halves your speed, but it is wasted without dig or hp ground(dig is only if you are desperate). Seriously, heatmor should have earthquake.
It pulls of a very similar set to typhlosion, but typhlosion does it better.
Try this set
Typhlosion wannabe.
Quiet nature
Evs 128 def,128 sp def, 252 sp att.
Fire blast/overheat/inferno
Solarbeam
Focus blast
Hp ice
Flash fire
Item/power herb/white herb/zoom lens
Fire is stab. Focus blast for heatran or others. Solarbeam for water types. Hp ice for dragons or gliscor.
Counters-sturdy rocks are useful-golem and gigalith work well. Gliscor, if not running hp ice. Terrakion deal hefty damage to heatmor.

[Ilan]

Like said the only useful thing it have is sucker punch in other stuff it is outclassed like hell and even with sucker punch he sucks...

plz no stockpile... even with that he isn't bulky at all.. why not use something like torkoal or flareon if you want a bulky fire type?

Also Solar Beam isn't usable without sun support.

really just use scarf magmotar.

[your boss]

@philzone don't use heatmor in OU, and UU

Anyway Heatmor is an awesome looking fire type but outclassed by Magmortar and even Simisear and is sad that Durant is the better rival(woo hoo).
Counters, Armaldo is a great counter, resisting everything heatmor throws at him

[grantholomew]

Heatmor...uh...hmm...looking at your Stats, your Base defenses are 1 point higher than Emboar's, your HP is equal to Volcarona's, your attacks are barely better than Magmar's, and your Speed is equal to, again, Emboar's. Heatmor is a lot of copy-paste when it comes to stats, but it has a wide variety of unusual Moves for a Fire Type.

Well lots of Pokémon can be seen of copy-pastes of stats of other Pokémon that they are compared to.
Heatmor is supposed to defeat Durant but Durant can just kill it with Rock Slide or Dig or even a STAB move after a Hone Claws or two. Again, Heatmor better pray to Game Freak to get something redeeming in Black and White 2.

[P!ppy]

Like said the only useful thing it have is sucker punch in other stuff it is outclassed like hell and even with sucker punch he sucks...

plz no stockpile... even with that he isn't bulky at all.. why not use something like torkoal or flareon if you want a bulky fire type?

Also Solar Beam isn't usable without sun support.

really just use scarf magmotar.

Where you been? Heatmor stinks and is outclassed by almost every fire type in the game. We know. However, this is the POTW, so we have to find something you can use it for, so we stick to the only thing it has over other fire types, which is its unique movepool. Yes Stockpile stinks and is completely outclassed, but hey, it's something we can do with Heatmor. Yes, their are plenty of better Sucker Punch users, but Heatmor is the only fire type that can use it, so by golly we're going to it.

Plus, that's half the fun: trying to find uses for useless Pokemon and making bad puns about them.

[MetalCrow]

Where you been? Heatmor stinks and is outclassed by almost every fire type in the game. We know. However, this is the POTW, so we have to find something you can use it for, so we stick to the only thing it has over other fire types, which is its unique movepool. Yes Stockpile stinks and is completely outclassed, but hey, it's something we can do with Heatmor. Yes, their are plenty of better Sucker Punch users, but Heatmor is the only fire type that can use it, so by golly we're going to it.

Plus, that's half the fun: trying to find uses for useless Pokemon and making bad puns about them.

Doesnt houndoom get sucker punch

[Zachmac]

Funny, I actually usually thought Heatmor's problem's were in it's mediocre stats, it's movepool seems pretty usable to me. Fire Blast, HP, Sucker Punch, Pursuit, SolarBeam, Stockpile.

Eh, not that great. Stockpile won't help those defenses, Pursuit is unneeded since I can't think of a ghost or psychic other then Froslass who'd swap out of it, and SolarBeam...that's only any good in OU, but it's unreliable there as well.

It's a mix of those things that make it bad. 85 HP is passable, if you don't take it's defenses into acount...but if you do, it's pretty dang bad. Offensive power? It's special attack is only slighter then average, and it's speed....

In other words, it's slow and frail. Not a good combo.

Doesnt houndoom get sucker punch

Yes, it does. In fact, it gets it STABed. Poor Heatmor doesn't even have a niche. At least Houndoom looks better.

really just use scarf magmotar.

I think Ilan here just summed up the poor anteater's entire existence.

@philzone don't use heatmor in OU, and UU

...Or NU, while you're at it.

Anyway Heatmor is an awesome looking fire type but outclassed by Magmortar and even Simisear and is sad that Durant is the better rival(woo hoo).

Not just sad, ironic. The predator is weaker then the bug it eats.

[Rayofquazar]

Doesnt houndoom get sucker punch

Yes it does... but houndoom is also part dark.

So, Heatmor is the only fire type to get sucker punch that is not dark typed! LOL... What a niche!

[Ilan]

Yes it does... but houndoom is also part dark.

So, Heatmor is the only fire type to get sucker punch that is not dark typed! LOL... What a niche!

Or rather the only fire type with sucker punch in NU.


Really it is so pathetic it doesn't even have a niche in it's own tier.. well maybe when SU (Sometimes used just a guess on it's name lol) will be a tier lol...

Normally we will try to find niche in any pokemon but vespiquen and heatmor... have no niche.

[Rayofquazar]

Or rather the only fire type with sucker punch in NU.


Really it is so pathetic it doesn't even have a niche in it's own tier.. well maybe when SU (Sometimes used just a guess on it's name lol) will be a tier lol...

Normally we will try to find niche in any pokemon but vespiquen and heatmor... have no niche.

Well... Sometimes is more than never! Maybe the new tier will be named NEU aka never ever used!!

But anyway... No pokemon is completely useless barring "Unown" of course but some are much easier to use then others... Let's not be too hard on weaker pokemon... It's gamefreak's fault, not theirs!

[John Wallrein]

Heatmor is an often ignored Pokémon but is actually a very decent Fire-type.

lol.

As most people said Heatmor plain sucks, and is outclassed in any role you can think of. If your into using outclassed mon's though, because you like them or whatever go crazy.

[Vandslaux]

OK, Heatmor's screwed at every corner.

I would rather use Camerupt for a Stockpile set, and Camerupt can at least run Stealth Rock.

I would rather use Murkrow if I wanted Sucker Punch in NU.

HP Grass, every Fire-type.

It's stats are mediocre compared to other Fire-type monsters in NU, like Emboar, Rapidash, Magmortar, and Camerupt.

There's nothing to Pursuit in NU.

105 SpAtk doesn't exactly cut it, compared to the listed above Fire-types' offensive stats.

SR weak, Camerupt and Emboar aren't.

Focus Blast isn't that great of a niche, as Regirock will survive and kill you with Stone Edge anyway. Also, Camerupt's Earth Power. Emboar's Superpower.

[sbktdreed]

Personally, I prefer White Smoke, which isn't available, over the others

Personal Moveset
Gluttony w/ Sitrus Berry OR White Smoke w/ Life Orb/Leftovers
Brave w/ 170 HP, 170 Defense, and 170 Sp Defense
Flamethrower
Focus Blast
Shadow Claw/Night Slash/Faint Attack
Bug Bite/Aerial Ace/Rock Tomb

Other Moves Ideas
Toxic
Snatch is a decent replacement for White Smoke
Hone Claws is espically useful if Inferno is added
Solarbeam equiped with Power Herb and/or Sunny Day is added
Facade
Rest-Sleep Talk with Chesto Berry

Partners
Sunny Day/Drought-Users espically if Solarbeam is added.
No Guard-Users if Inferno is going to be used instead of Flamethrower.
Lava Plume-Users if use one with Flash Fire.
Trick Room-users

Countering
Defensive Pokemon that uses Water/Ground/Rock-type moves like Tyranitar, Claydol, Wash Rotom, Scrafty, Altaria, Dragonite, or Blastoise. If Trick Room is in effect, Slowbro, Dusknoir, Bastiodon, Hitmontop, or Cradily may be applied too.

[Kraleck]

170 HP, 170 Defense, and 170 Sp Defense

No. Just...no. You'll want to move 2 of those EV points to one of the other stats, most likely HP. 170 doesn't divide evenly by 4, which is a must for EV allocation. While 2 points are always wasted with a 510 total, you've wasted six by going triple-170. Go for 172-170-168 or 172-169-169 for full potential. A.I. sets are like that in certain places and it is far from adequate.

[Ilan]

No. Just...no. You'll want to move 2 of those EV points to one of the other stats, most likely HP. 170 doesn't divide evenly by 4, which is a must for EV allocation. While 2 points are always wasted with a 510 total, you've wasted six by going triple-170. Go for 172-170-168 or 172-169-169 for full potential. A.I. sets are like that in certain places and it is far from adequate.

All the set is just wrong not only the EV..

And if you want bulk for a SR weak then it is 248 HP EV.
and there are ALWAYS 2 useless EVs except in LC where there are more useless EVs.

Aerial ace, bug bite,rock tomb WTF?

White smoke is useless... the only pokemon I know who relies on that is shaymin.

[Archstaraptor]

Where you been? Heatmor stinks and is outclassed by almost every fire type in the game. We know. However, this is the POTW, so we have to find something you can use it for, so we stick to the only thing it has over other fire types, which is its unique movepool. Yes Stockpile stinks and is completely outclassed, but hey, it's something we can do with Heatmor. Yes, their are plenty of better Sucker Punch users, but Heatmor is the only fire type that can use it, so by golly we're going to it.

I battled a Lanturn on the subway,which stockpiled thrice and rested off any decent damage I could deal with my Mienshao.
The difference here is that Heatmor has attacking potential as well as a chesto/rest in its set,so something like this maybe?

Don't be so Heatmorose,guys

Heatmor@Chesto Berry
Flash Fire
Stockpile
Rest
Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Night Slash/Shadow Claw/Sucker Punch

Switch in to fire attack,then set up.Or,have a fast ally spam lava plume and divert attention in general:A rage powder Amoongus would be a good idea.
A fire move of choice and finally another move to round it off,but sucker-punch always provides a powerful priority attack to combat the opponents that will try to beat you into the ground-ideally doing more damage than them.I'd say rest off damage,but they could easily set up on you whilst you snooze.