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    New Ability: Ultimate Power

    Dragonaurus is a Pokémon which normally has only one type - Dragon. However, its ability, Ultimate Power allows it to gain either Fire, Ice or Flying as a secondary type temporarily, to either enable it to take less damage from an attack (for example, changing its secondary type to Fire or Ice when it is just about to be hit by an Ice-type attack to reduce the effectiveness of the attack against it from 2x to 1x, changing its secondary type to Fire or Flying when it is just about to be hit by a Bug-type attack to reduce the effectiveness of the attack from 1x to 0.5x, or changing its secondary type to Flying to avoid a Ground-type move. Dragonaurus does not gain a secondary type if there is no advantage to doing so, such as if it is about to be hit by a Rock-type move (since gaining Fire, Ice or Flying as a secondary type would make it be hit super-effectively) or a Psychic-type move (since the amount of damage Dragonaurus takes does not change regardless of which secondary type it gains). This means that unless Dragonaurus is attacked by a Pokémon with the Ability Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt, Dragon is the only type of attack that can ever be super effective against Dragonaurus, as Dragonaurus's Dragon type is weak to Dragon-type moves, while Fire, Ice and Flying do not resist Dragon-type attacks), or to allow it to gain Same Type Attack Bonus for Fire, Ice or Flying-type moves when it is just about to use such attacks. Because Dragonaurus can change its secondary type to Flying, it also cannot be damaged by the move Sky Drop.

    However, this Ability is temporarily shut down if it in any way attempts to hinder the effect of an attack used by a Pokémon with the Ability Mold Breaker, Teravolt or Teravoltage. So for example, the effectiveness of Reshiram's Blue Flare against Dragonaurus is 0.5x instead of 0.25x, since Turboblaze prevents Dragonaurus from gaining Fire as a secondary type to reduce the damage it takes from Blue Flare, while a Mold Breaker Haxorus's Earthquake would deal neutral damage to Dragonaurus, as Mold Breaker prevents Dragonaurus from gaining Flying as a secondary type to avoid the attack. Mold Breaker, Turboblaze and Teravolt cannot force Dragonaurus to change its type though, so a Mold Breaker Rampardos's Head Smash would still deal neutral damage against Dragonaurus despite the fact that it would be hit for 2x damage if it gained any of its three secondary types. The fact that a Pokémon with Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt can cancel out this Ability means that a Pokémon with one of the aforementioned Abilities using an Ice-type move is the only possible way to ever hit Dragonaurus for super effective damage using a move that is not of the Dragon type.

    Since Dragonaurus always changes its secondary type to Fire when it is just about to be hit by a Fire-type attack as this type combination best minimalizes the amount of damage it takes from such moves, it cannot be burned by any Fire-type moves, since Fire-type Pokémon are immune to this status effect. And when it is just about to be hit by any Ice-type attack not named Cold Burn, it changes its secondary type specifically to Ice instead of Fire (which reduces the damage Dragonaurus takes from Ice-type moves by the same amount), leaving there be no chance for Dragonaurus to be frozen by Ice-type moves, since Ice-type Pokémon are immune to this status effect. And whenever the move Cold Burn is used against Dragonaurus, its secondary type changes specifically to Fire in order to prevent it from being burned. This means that unless it is attacked by a Pokémon with the Ability Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt, or the move Tri Attack or Scald, it is impossible to ever burn or freeze Dragonaurus.

    Finally, Ultimate Power can also change Dragonaurus's type at the instant as it enters the battlefield, depending on what entry hazards are in effect at that moment:

    - If any number of layers of Toxic Spikes is in effect, Dragonaurus always switches in with its secondary type as Flying, unless Stealth Rock is also in effect, Gravity is not in effect, Dragonaurus is not holding an Iron Ball, Dragonaurus is not Baton Passed Ingrain, and at least one of the following conditions is also met (in which case Dragonaurus switches in as a pure Dragon-type Pokémon):
    1. Dragonaurus has exactly 25% or less of its total HP remaining.
    2. Dragonaurus is already under a status condition as it switches in and no layers of Spikes is present on the field.
    - If no layers of Toxic Spikes is in effect and Stealth Rock is in effect, Dragonaurus always switches in as a pure Dragon-type Pokémon unless any number of layers of Spikes is in effect, in which case provided the condition that Gravity is not in effect, Dragonaurus is not holding an Iron Ball and it is not Baton Passed Ingrain, Dragonaurus would switch in as a Dragon/Flying-type Pokémon.
    - If Stealth Rock is not in effect and any number of layers of Spikes and/or Toxic Spikes is in effect, Dragonaurus always switches in as a Dragon/Flying-type Pokémon.

    Learned by: Dragonaurus (The Pokémon I created in the first post of this thread)

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    Slow Start
    Old: User's Attack is halved for 5 turns.
    New: Priority of user's moves is lowered for 5 turns.

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    New Ability: Bird-Eating Fangs

    Bug-type attacks used by Pokémon with this Ability are super effective against the Flying type, instead of not very effective against them.

    Learned by: Baboonados (Ariados's evolution, a Pokémon I created)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadu-Hem View Post
    Slow Start
    Old: User's Attack is halved for 5 turns.
    New: Priority of user's moves is lowered for 5 turns.
    People, you've got to remember it's ability is what keeps it from being broken. Sure, it's ability only lowering priority would be a hinderence, but it's still got 110/110/110 defenses and 160 base attack.

    Your plan here would just turn it into a tank with Return/Drain Punch/EQ/Elemental Punch with leftovers.

    I say leave slow start alone. If you want to use Regigigus that much, give it confuse ray and thunderwave, then stall your way out of slow start. Maybe confuse ray/substitute with paralysis support. If done right, a paralysis team isn't actually all that gimmicky of an idea.
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    New Ability: Destruction Blaster

    Whenever a Pokémon with this Ability uses Hyper Beam, the opponent's Special Defense is halved on the turn when this move is used, effectively doubling Hyper Beam's base power. Also, Pokémon with this Ability do not need to recharge after using Hyper Beam.

    Learned by: Dragonite and Tyranitar

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    People, you've got to remember it's ability is what keeps it from being broken. Sure, it's ability only lowering priority would be a hinderence, but it's still got 110/110/110 defenses and 160 base attack.
    It's a legendary trio master. It's supposed to be broken.

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    New Ability: Forbidden Memories

    When a Pokémon with this Ability uses Amnesia, both its Special Attack as well as its Special Defense are raised by two levels.

    Learned by: Mewtwo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokémon Trainer R View Post
    New Ability: Ultimate Power

    Dragonaurus is a Pokémon which normally has only one type - Dragon. However, its ability, Ultimate Power allows it to gain either Fire, Ice or Flying as a secondary type temporarily, to either enable it to take less damage from an attack (for example, changing its secondary type to Fire or Ice when it is just about to be hit by an Ice-type attack to reduce the effectiveness of the attack against it from 2x to 1x, changing its secondary type to Fire or Flying when it is just about to be hit by a Bug-type attack to reduce the effectiveness of the attack from 1x to 0.5x, or changing its secondary type to Flying to avoid a Ground-type move. Dragonaurus does not gain a secondary type if there is no advantage to doing so, such as if it is about to be hit by a Rock-type move (since gaining Fire, Ice or Flying as a secondary type would make it be hit super-effectively) or a Psychic-type move (since the amount of damage Dragonaurus takes does not change regardless of which secondary type it gains). This means that unless Dragonaurus is attacked by a Pokémon with the Ability Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt, Dragon is the only type of attack that can ever be super effective against Dragonaurus, as Dragonaurus's Dragon type is weak to Dragon-type moves, while Fire, Ice and Flying do not resist Dragon-type attacks), or to allow it to gain Same Type Attack Bonus for Fire, Ice or Flying-type moves when it is just about to use such attacks. Because Dragonaurus can change its secondary type to Flying, it also cannot be damaged by the move Sky Drop.

    However, this Ability is temporarily shut down if it in any way attempts to hinder the effect of an attack used by a Pokémon with the Ability Mold Breaker, Teravolt or Teravoltage. So for example, the effectiveness of Reshiram's Blue Flare against Dragonaurus is 0.5x instead of 0.25x, since Turboblaze prevents Dragonaurus from gaining Fire as a secondary type to reduce the damage it takes from Blue Flare, while a Mold Breaker Haxorus's Earthquake would deal neutral damage to Dragonaurus, as Mold Breaker prevents Dragonaurus from gaining Flying as a secondary type to avoid the attack. Mold Breaker, Turboblaze and Teravolt cannot force Dragonaurus to change its type though, so a Mold Breaker Rampardos's Head Smash would still deal neutral damage against Dragonaurus despite the fact that it would be hit for 2x damage if it gained any of its three secondary types. The fact that a Pokémon with Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt can cancel out this Ability means that a Pokémon with one of the aforementioned Abilities using an Ice-type move is the only possible way to ever hit Dragonaurus for super effective damage using a move that is not of the Dragon type.

    Since Dragonaurus always changes its secondary type to Fire when it is just about to be hit by a Fire-type attack as this type combination best minimalizes the amount of damage it takes from such moves, it cannot be burned by any Fire-type moves, since Fire-type Pokémon are immune to this status effect. And when it is just about to be hit by any Ice-type attack not named Cold Burn, it changes its secondary type specifically to Ice instead of Fire (which reduces the damage Dragonaurus takes from Ice-type moves by the same amount), leaving there be no chance for Dragonaurus to be frozen by Ice-type moves, since Ice-type Pokémon are immune to this status effect. And whenever the move Cold Burn is used against Dragonaurus, its secondary type changes specifically to Fire in order to prevent it from being burned. This means that unless it is attacked by a Pokémon with the Ability Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt, or the move Tri Attack or Scald, it is impossible to ever burn or freeze Dragonaurus.

    Finally, Ultimate Power can also change Dragonaurus's type at the instant as it enters the battlefield, depending on what entry hazards are in effect at that moment:

    - If any number of layers of Toxic Spikes is in effect, Dragonaurus always switches in with its secondary type as Flying, unless Stealth Rock is also in effect, Gravity is not in effect, Dragonaurus is not holding an Iron Ball, Dragonaurus is not Baton Passed Ingrain, and at least one of the following conditions is also met (in which case Dragonaurus switches in as a pure Dragon-type Pokémon):
    1. Dragonaurus has exactly 25% or less of its total HP remaining.
    2. Dragonaurus is already under a status condition as it switches in and no layers of Spikes is present on the field.
    - If no layers of Toxic Spikes is in effect and Stealth Rock is in effect, Dragonaurus always switches in as a pure Dragon-type Pokémon unless any number of layers of Spikes is in effect, in which case provided the condition that Gravity is not in effect, Dragonaurus is not holding an Iron Ball and it is not Baton Passed Ingrain, Dragonaurus would switch in as a Dragon/Flying-type Pokémon.
    - If Stealth Rock is not in effect and any number of layers of Spikes and/or Toxic Spikes is in effect, Dragonaurus always switches in as a Dragon/Flying-type Pokémon.

    Learned by: Dragonaurus (The Pokémon I created in the first post of this thread)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokémon Trainer R View Post
    New Ability: Destruction Blaster

    Whenever a Pokémon with this Ability uses Hyper Beam, the opponent's Special Defense is halved on the turn when this move is used, effectively doubling Hyper Beam's base power. Also, Pokémon with this Ability do not need to recharge after using Hyper Beam.

    Learned by: Dragonite and Tyranitar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokémon Trainer R View Post
    New Ability: Forbidden Memories

    When a Pokémon with this Ability uses Amnesia, both its Special Attack as well as its Special Defense are raised by two levels.

    Learned by: Mewtwo
    All of these abilities would break the game, man. be a little realistic.
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    Please remember that we're talking about abilities, NOT THE POKEMON THAT HAVE AND COULD GET THEM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadu-Hem View Post
    It's a legendary trio master. It's supposed to be broken.
    If it was supposed to be broken, why does it have that ability in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadu-Hem View Post
    It's a legendary trio master. It's supposed to be broken.
    We're also supposed to remember that it can't be so broken that they're too good for even Ubers.

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    Sniper

    Old: Increases the base value of an attack during critical hit

    New: increases base value of all attacks by 1.2 x, but cannot get a critical hit


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatjeremykid View Post
    All of these abilities would break the game, man. be a little realistic.
    You have a point about Destruction Blaster, but Dragonaurus is the God of Destruction, and is meant to be a cut above all other Pokémon in existence, in terms of power, so there is nothing wrong with its Ultimate Power Ability. Also, even with Forbidden Memories, I still do not think that Mewtwo would be quite as "broken" as Arceus already is.

    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster366 View Post
    Please remember that we're talking about abilities, NOT THE POKEMON THAT HAVE AND COULD GET THEM!
    The Pokémon that possess the Ability in question is a large factor in deciding whether or not it would be interesting to introduce it to the game. The Forbidden Memories Ability that I posted, for example, wouldn't be anything interesting at all on a Pokémon that cannot learn the move Amnesia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokémon Trainer R View Post
    You have a point about Destruction Blaster, but Dragonaurus is the God of Destruction, and is meant to be a cut above all other Pokémon in existence, in terms of power, so there is nothing wrong with its Ultimate Power Ability. Also, even with Forbidden Memories, I still do not think that Mewtwo would be quite as "broken" as Arceus already is.
    Arceus is hardly broken. Darkrai is more broken than it and it dies to nearly any attack that gets STAB or super effective. Seriously, Mach Punch from Conkeldurr could probably take it out. So this pokemon you made up is supposed to be more powerful than anything else, ever? that's almost the definition of game-breaking. clearly, everyone would use it, and everyone would carry a counter to it. it would at least be banished to Ubers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatjeremykid View Post
    Arceus is hardly broken. Darkrai is more broken than it and it dies to nearly any attack that gets STAB or super effective. Seriously, Mach Punch from Conkeldurr could probably take it out. So this pokemon you made up is supposed to be more powerful than anything else, ever? that's almost the definition of game-breaking. clearly, everyone would use it, and everyone would carry a counter to it. it would at least be banished to Ubers.
    Forget banished to Ubers. It would be banished from Ubers itself.

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    Old:This Pokémon cannot be FREEZE condition while having this ability.

    New: This Pokemon cannot be under the FREEZE condition nor could it take damage from Hail or Sandstorm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatjeremykid View Post
    Arceus is hardly broken. Darkrai is more broken than it and it dies to nearly any attack that gets STAB or super effective. Seriously, Mach Punch from Conkeldurr could probably take it out. So this pokemon you made up is supposed to be more powerful than anything else, ever? that's almost the definition of game-breaking. clearly, everyone would use it, and everyone would carry a counter to it. it would at least be banished to Ubers.
    1. Whether or not Arceus is "broken" in Übers is largely subjective. I personally think it is overall manageable in that tier, if only because the metagame has adapted to its presence immensely, but it is still a ridiculous cut above every other Pokémon in existence.
    2. The notion that Darkrai, or any other Pokémon in existence (including Kyogre, contrary to popular beliefs) for that matter is more "broken" than Arceus is completely false, and such an idea would only be believed in by someone lacking sufficient experience. By some wild stretch of the imagination, Darkrai is at best arguably the fourth best Pokémon in the game, and even then I would not personally rank it anywhere remotely near that high.
    3. I never said that Dragonaurus wouldn't be gamebreaking and get sent to Übers. But that doesn't necessarily mean there is something wrong with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster366 View Post
    Forget banished to Ubers. It would be banished from Ubers itself.
    Übers is by definition a tier in which no Pokémon is banned. It is therefore impossible for any Pokémon to be banned from Übers regardless of how powerful it may be relative to the rest of the tier. Otherwise, I believe that it would have been a very reasonable decision long ago to place Arceus under a suspect test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokémon Trainer R View Post
    1. Whether or not Arceus is "broken" in Übers is largely subjective. I personally think it is overall manageable in that tier, if only because the metagame has adapted to its presence immensely, but it is still a ridiculous cut above every other Pokémon in existence.
    2. The notion that Darkrai, or any other Pokémon in existence (including Kyogre, contrary to popular beliefs) for that matter is more "broken" than Arceus is completely false, and such an idea would only be believed in by someone lacking sufficient experience. By some wild stretch of the imagination, Darkrai is at best arguably the fourth best Pokémon in the game, and even then I would not personally rank it anywhere remotely near that high.
    3. I never said that Dragonaurus wouldn't be gamebreaking and get sent to Übers. But that doesn't necessarily mean there is something wrong with it.



    Übers is by definition a tier in which no Pokémon is banned. It is therefore impossible for any Pokémon to be banned from Übers regardless of how powerful it may be relative to the rest of the tier. Otherwise, I believe that it would have been a very reasonable decision long ago to place Arceus under a suspect test.
    YOu are talking about that made up pokemon which have ANYTHING to do with the thread except the ability you gave to him and treat him like it exists WTF?

    anyway..

    Iron fist:

    old:boost fist moves for 1.2 damage

    new: boost fist move for 1.5 damage

    reason... technican gives higher boost not fair >.<


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokémon Trainer R View Post
    1. Whether or not Arceus is "broken" in Übers is largely subjective. I personally think it is overall manageable in that tier, if only because the metagame has adapted to its presence immensely, but it is still a ridiculous cut above every other Pokémon in existence.
    2. The notion that Darkrai, or any other Pokémon in existence (including Kyogre, contrary to popular beliefs) for that matter is more "broken" than Arceus is completely false, and such an idea would only be believed in by someone lacking sufficient experience. By some wild stretch of the imagination, Darkrai is at best arguably the fourth best Pokémon in the game, and even then I would not personally rank it anywhere remotely near that high.
    3. I never said that Dragonaurus wouldn't be gamebreaking and get sent to Übers. But that doesn't necessarily mean there is something wrong with it.



    Übers is by definition a tier in which no Pokémon is banned. It is therefore impossible for any Pokémon to be banned from Übers regardless of how powerful it may be relative to the rest of the tier. Otherwise, I believe that it would have been a very reasonable decision long ago to place Arceus under a suspect test.
    I never said Darkrai WAS broken, i'm just saying it'd be more broken than Arceus imo. I've never had trouble fighting an Arceus when i've played Ubers. You just have to watch out for the ExtremeKiller set, which yeah, is pretty rough, but manageable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    YOu are talking about that made up pokemon which have ANYTHING to do with the thread except the ability you gave to him and treat him like it exists WTF?

    anyway..

    Iron fist:

    old:boost fist moves for 1.2 damage

    new: boost fist move for 1.5 damage

    reason... technican gives higher boost not fair >.<
    Theirs a reason technician gives a higher boost,

    Infernape with iron fist and a choice band uses fire punch in the sun. That's about 4 1.5 x boosts (stab, ability, item, and weather) giving fire punch over base 325 damage. Even without the sun it's still over 225 damage.


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    So, it's still weaker than Flare Blitz.

    Super-Iron Fist would be pretty funny on Conkledurr or Hitmonchan though. Drain Punch / Ice Punch / Thunder Punch / Agility could be pretty scary.

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    how about this

    Old Frisk: can see what item your opponent is using

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    old sturdy: survive a killing hit at full health; OHKO moves don't affect it
    new sturdy: all of above; immune to indirect damage

    old multitype: changes type with plate
    new multitype: all of above; boosts stab's power by 1.5

    huge defense: boosts defense and special defense by 50%; boosted by 100%- under 40% health

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    So, it's still weaker than Flare Blitz.

    Super-Iron Fist would be pretty funny on Conkledurr or Hitmonchan though. Drain Punch / Ice Punch / Thunder Punch / Agility could be pretty scary.
    Flare blitz has a drawback though, and I think the Ou metagame would be a little different somehow..


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    old: user attacks every other turn

    new: attack and speed are boosted by 33(50?)%, but user attacks every other turn

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