General Rival/Recurring Character Discussion

[Ace Of Keys]

I would really love if Burgendy could actually be serious as opposed to I will defeat you Dent! the thing is it would take a huge event for that to happen so i'm not holding my breath -_-

[RVD_fan]

If Burgundy of all people actually manages to get eight badges, you might as well just kick them down the sewer grate cause they're officially worthless.

[AceDetective]

If Burgundy of all people actually manages to get eight badges, you might as well just kick them down the sewer grate cause they're officially worthless.

Burgundys not that bad. It's just she's put up against people who are better (Ash,Iris, Trip) in tournaments

[RVD_fan]

Burgundys not that bad. It's just she's put up against people who are better (Ash,Iris, Trip) in tournaments

I've always felt like only serious trainers should enter the league, someone like Burgundy who's main goal is to be a connoisseur and beat Cilan should not just get eight badges on the side. Getting the badges should be a struggle, not a formality.

[AceDetective]

I've always felt like only serious trainers should enter the league, someone like Burgundy who's main goal is to be a connoisseur and beat Cilan should not just get eight badges on the side. Getting the badges should be a struggle, not a formality.

I get what your saying but I personally believe its better to have more familiar faces in the league, instead of COTDS. Yea Burgundy would probably lose in the first round, but it would be better to see Ash or whoever face her over some random nobody

[Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama]

Burgundy could enter the League, but it seems sketchy, even though I want it. She does have the Striaton Gym badge, but I think she only got that as proof that she had beaten the Gym. Since, she's really not improving as a Connaisseuse, so I'd like something good to happen to her. Maybe her next appearance she'll be a B class. (>.>)

[RVD_fan]

I think Burgundy facing Cilan in some sort of battle to decide whether she ranks up to B or not is the best possible closure for her. Cilan recognizes her as being legitimate and Burgundy realizes she should focus less on revenge and more on her own goals.

I really hope the league isn't just rival battles like the tournaments are now where the COTDs are mostly generic and forgettable. I get that it's kind of predictable that Ash isn't going to lose to a random COTD in the first round, but you still have to have those battles and make them somewhat interesting.

[BurningSociety12345543210]

If Burgundy of all people actually manages to get eight badges, you might as well just kick them down the sewer grate cause they're officially worthless.

You mean they weren't worthless when Kotetsu managed to get 7 and Bianca managed to get two with a weak Pignite?

I honestly can't believe there are people who wish for Burgundy to enter the league when she's clearly Cilan's rival.

She isn't even that.
Just a pointless recurring character like Stephan and Kotetsu.

Also, she wasn't featured in the OP so she won't be at the league (nor will Georgia).

Featured in the what?

[RVD_fan]

You mean they weren't worthless when Kotetsu managed to get 7 and Bianca managed to get two with a weak Pignite?

We don't know how good a battler Kotetsu is, he seems a little spastic but Morrison and Barry were like that as well and I never doubted their ability.

As for Bianca, obviously she started out as one of those trainers who just spams her starter, and probably got lucky with good match-ups for her early badges, before Elesa burst her bubble. I thought that was kind of the point of that episode, being sort of a wake-up call for her, she seemed to train hard after that (teaching her Mincinno thunderbolt plus a strong showing at the Clubsplosion tournament).

As much as I hate constantly comparing DP to Best Wishes, every rival that made the Sinnoh league belonged there. Ash obviously had a strong league and championship history, and his pokemon were peaking in power. Paul was experienced, skilled and ruthless. Barry, while not being a great tactician, played a pure power game and used his pokemon's raw power to win his battles. Conway was obviously very intelligent and had powerful, fully evolved pokemon in all his previous battles. Nando was said from the beginning to be collecting badges and had a great performance at the Grand Festival. Ash, Paul, and Barry were all 100% focused on collected the eight badges and winning the league. Nando was multi-tasking, but they made it a point to show he had the skill in both to pull it off. Conway was never mentioned to be collecting badges, but he wasn't doing anything but battling and the fact that you didn't really know what his deal was added to his intrigue at the Pokemon League.

Burgundy, by contrast, has never been shown to be anything but maybe a slightly above average battler who's main goal is to become a top-connoisseur to get back at Cilan. Her just showing up at the league with eight badges would be incredibly contrived.

The league is the final competition that every trainer in Unova has been preparing for, the non-committed trainers should have all been weeded out by now. I don't expect Burgundy there, nor do I expect Georgia (she's made no mention of badges either). I'm not sure about Stephan, I get the impression he's just training to get stronger and doesn't really care about badges.

[Pokemaniac24]

That would interesting if Burgundy is following Cilan the whole time XD

[Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama]

That would interesting if Burgundy is following Cilan the whole time XD

We've seen Jigglypuff, Gible, and Oshawott do it. Doesn't surprise me if she was too.

[Pokemaniac24]

We've seen Jigglypuff, Gible, and Oshawott do it. Doesn't surprise me if she was too.

And then one episode they finally spot her and find out the reason she didn't get through the first round of any tournament is because she didn't train her Pokemon since she was too busy following and watching Cilan XD

[AceDetective]

Poor Burgundy, she gets no respect I tell ya, no respect

[BurningSociety12345543210]

She's a cartoon character. She doesn't need respect.

[AhTreyYou]

Trip, Stephan, Bianca and Kotetsu will most likely be the rivals in the Unova league. Burgandy? They could give her an Alakazam and she STILL wouldn't be able to battle her way out of a paper bag.

[Pokemaniac24]

Poor Burgundy, she gets no respect I tell ya, no respect

I like her. She's way better than Stephan who may be one of the show's weakest rivals ever (not in strength but in personality). I'm also willing to put her above Bianca too honestly.

[Janovy]

Burgundy just doesn't deserve to be at the League.

She doesn't deserve any respect nor wins. As long as she doesn't realize that hating over a character (and wishing for him to constantly fail or lose) who's generally better than her won't get here anywhere, she won't get anywhere. What kind of a message would it send to the kids if they had Burgundy, the crazy girl who seeks for revenge actually get better and score some wins?

Stay crazy, you'll get there eventually?

I kind of understand what they're trying to do with her but it's frustrating because I would have so much more preferred if she developed respect for Cilan and then slowly improved along the way giving an actual meaning to their "rivalry", like Langley. Langley wants for her rival to become stronger so she can beat her, she constantly pushes Iris and keeps on telling her to get stronger.

Burgundy on the other hand is driven by this crazy desire to see Cilan tremble before her which will, quite frankly, never happen.

P.S.

- Burgundy isn't Ash's rival.
- She wasn't in the opening either.

All the more reasoning for her not to be at the League. That would, quite honestly, be awful.

[_Taidow_]

Burgundy just doesn't deserve to be at the League.

She doesn't deserve any respect nor wins. As long as she doesn't realize that hating over a character (and wishing for him to constantly fail or lose) who's generally better than her won't get here anywhere, she won't get anywhere. What kind of a message would it send to the kids if they had Burgundy, the crazy girl who seeks for revenge actually get better and score some wins?

Stay crazy, you'll get there eventually?

I kind of understand what they're trying to do with her but it's frustrating because I would have so much more preferred if she developed respect for Cilan and then slowly improved along the way giving an actual meaning to their "rivalry", like Langley. Langley wants for her rival to become stronger so she can beat her, she constantly pushes Iris and keeps on telling her to get stronger.

Burgundy on the other hand is driven by this crazy desire to see Cilan tremble before her which will, quite frankly, never happen.

She wasn't too crazy when she said bye to Cilan after the Junior Cup. She even cheered for him vs Trip.

P.S.

- Burgundy isn't Ash's rival.
- She wasn't in the opening either.

All the more reasoning for her not to be at the League. That would, quite honestly, be awful.

Neither was Conway but he still appeared.
The opening only seemed to spoil stuff from the Junior Cup arc.
At the end they only included Ash's known rivals at the time.

[Janovy]

She wasn't too crazy when she said bye to Cilan after the Junior Cup. She even cheered for him vs Trip.

The thing I'm most frustrated about is that she actually seemed to develop after the first Don Battle tournament.

After that, she became her old self. :/

Neither was Conway but he still appeared.

Conway wasn't set as anybody's rival. In Burgundy's case, all the connections lead to Cilan - not Ash.

She is Cilan's rival.

The opening only seemed to spoil stuff from the Junior Cup arc.

And yet we saw everyone standing by central torch in the middle of the stadium. (most commonly used at the League Conference)

I don't recall seeing any torch at the Junior Cup.

At the end they only included Ash's known rivals at the time.

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. Aside from the fact that Dawn's spot in the OP might be replaced with Kotetsu, the fact that both Burgundy and Georgia were absent makes it pretty clear which characters will show up at the league.

[pokemonsquared]

I'm convinced the main reason Conway went to the sinnoh league is to get another excuse to look up Dawn's skirt, participation was just an optional bonus.