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    Quote Originally Posted by G50 View Post
    I think Masaomi is done in this saga, would've been cool to have him in the League and maybe a rematch with Stephen. Plus a chance for Ash to battle him.
    if winning the don George tournaments qualifies you for entry into the world tournament then I could see mas there as he did win one

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    if winning the don George tournaments qualifies you for entry into the world tournament then I could see mas there as he did win one
    He could probably be there. If that's a qualification then Iris would be able to as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G50 View Post
    He could probably be there. If that's a qualification then Iris would be able to as well.
    that's my thinking. ash has his past achievements + Cynthia knows how good he can be, cilans a gym leader but I was wondering about iris and whether she would enter or not. winning a don George qualifying for entry would let her enter, as well as Stephen and mas. and if they do a third don battle tournament before the world tournament then trip can win that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneak View Post
    He was insulting the region, so why not use the Pokemon that he caught there?

    I doubt he will though. I bet he'll use his original Unova Six.
    He was talking about his intelligence as well as certain aspects more than the region. Kind of like when I said that the people in the south didn't know nothing. Doesn't mean it's true. But with Ash the way he seemed anyone would have made that assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    that's my thinking. ash has his past achievements + Cynthia knows how good he can be, cilans a gym leader but I was wondering about iris and whether she would enter or not. winning a don George qualifying for entry would let her enter, as well as Stephen and mas. and if they do a third don battle tournament before the world tournament then trip can win that one
    If Iris finds out about Drayden being in the tournament, it could be that she ends up unsure as to whether she wants to enter after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptile lover View Post
    I believe Trip never said anything wrong about Kanto Pokemon. He just said that was immature cause he was from Kanto. Correct me if I am wrong but he directly insulted the region or Ash not the native Pokemon. Besides he was quite surprised to Pikachu. I don't think he consider them weak.
    That's right. I think he insults Kanto because of social factor probably O.o
    I don't see he insults Kanto Pokemon


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    I enjoyed that Georgia didn't mind that it's Vanilluxe was floating around unsupervised. Didn't she even jokingly tell Iris to become an Ice Master instead of a Dragon Master?



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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    I enjoyed that Georgia didn't mind that it's Vanilluxe was floating around unsupervised. Didn't she even jokingly tell Iris to become an Ice Master instead of a Dragon Master?
    I wonder if she would do that with her Beartic as well, if there was an episode where it was needed.
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    I hope they just drop Trip right after the Unova league. The character bombed in every capacity and nothing can save him now.

    I see no reason to keep him after the league either, after Ash has beaten Gary and Paul at the leagues they pretty much were written out. I see no reason for Trip to stay since Gary/Paul didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I hope they just drop Trip right after the Unova league. The character bombed in every capacity and nothing can save him now.

    I see no reason to keep him after the league either, after Ash has beaten Gary and Paul at the leagues they pretty much were written out. I see no reason for Trip to stay since Gary/Paul didn't.
    True, and why would they keep him around? as you stated they didn't with paul or Gary so i don't see the problem. I feel that they need to work on providing better rivals. I think with everything the writers are planning they didn't have time to shape Trip to be a successor to both Paul and Gary. Instead we had a trainer starting out and having pikachu lose to his starter to me was over the top stupid. Anyways with the new rival coming in i see that they might just shaft him and provide him with minimal appearances from this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I hope they just drop Trip right after the Unova league. The character bombed in every capacity and nothing can save him now.

    I see no reason to keep him after the league either, after Ash has beaten Gary and Paul at the leagues they pretty much were written out. I see no reason for Trip to stay since Gary/Paul didn't.
    The character is fine you have been hating him from the start, you said he had no storyline and was a Shinji clone as soon as he beat Satoshi, he got his storyline, you said he was overpowered and it didn't make sense for him to be overpowered, he lost, then you said he was imcopetent, you just hated it from the start and no matter what he does you will still hate the dood, problem is your BS actually made some people buy into that hate the guy.

    With that said, I don't know what will happen after the league so no idea if he can stick around or not but probably won't but if we get tournaments or something after the league its reasonable that just like Satoshi he would want to take part in them.

    After all we know Shinji also challenged the Frontier Brains like Satoshi.

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    With that said, I don't know what will happen after the league so no idea if he can stick around or not.
    They are not going to waste money on him to stick around or that would mean giving his voice actor a raise. Where they could easily just send him off somewhere else and promote a new rival and spend less money which is what they've always done. They will not have him stick around as soon as this regions finishes and he isn't that good of a rival to begin with for Ash. Not in the way Paul or gary was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeno48 View Post
    They are not going to waste money on him to stick around or that would mean giving his voice actor a raise. Where they could easily just send him off somewhere else and promote a new rival and spend less money which is what they've always done. They will not have him stick around as soon as this regions finishes and he isn't that good of a rival to begin with for Ash. Not in the way Paul or gary was.
    LOL... a raise? his VA will stay he voices Scraggy I believe, how the heck did money come into this? yeah new rival migth have a new VA if it isn't a current anime VA, he will be added to the team and Shooti VA would be kept because of Scraggy.

    He's not that good of a rival for you, if Shinji wasn't a rival before him people wouldn't be talking half the **** the talk on the character, oh and he is definetly then Shigeru, Shigeru just ran around saying he was better then Satoshi and didn't do crap, I would blame it on the writing at that time obviously but yeah Shooti is better(see I can do it too).

    My only problem with his character handling rigth now is that I wanted him to appear one or two more times by now and had a 6vs6 battle like Shinji but they migth not do a 6vs6 to save the "suspense" for the league.

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    LOL... a raise? his VA will stay he voices Scraggy I believe, how the heck did money come into this? yeah new rival migth have a new VA if it isn't a current anime VA, he will be added to the team and Shooti VA would be kept because of Scraggy.
    I forgot that scraggy will stick around with ash and continue on to the new region. My bad off course, they will keep his voice actor for that role. Makes perfect sense. If the writers can save money, they will which is why i believe they decided to axe Brock because there was nothing left for him to do or they would have kept paying him a lot more with such a minimal role.

    He's not that good of a rival for you
    He's not a good rival period, he is basic generic trainer like any other unlike Paul which i believe was probably the best rival he had. Do you not see that diamond and pearl was praised because of their rivalry. So going from such a huge climax to acting like nothing occurred and reset everything is annoying and limits his progress because i expected him to be at a different level than this. Again to my disappointment they had Ash start out underpowered this region to the point where i hated the transition from sinnoh to unova. Resetting pikahu, having him lose to trip's starter who was a beginner and among other things that they try and pull off makes it impossible for me to appreciate trip as a worthy rival for Ash. You can try and rationalize it but he sucks compared to Paul who challenged all the leagues Ash did and made him a better trainer. Something Trip has yet to accomplish.

    if Shinji wasn't a rival before him people wouldn't be talking half the **** the talk on the character,
    There is a reason for that, because he is not as good and people expected him to be, going from an awesome rival after such a huge conclusion to a starting trainer like Trip is an insult imo to diamond and pearl. Paul had everything people liked and expected instead of some plain old happy character.

    oh and he is definetly then Shigeru, Shigeru just ran around saying he was better then Satoshi and didn't do crap, I would blame it on the writing at that time obviously but yeah Shooti is better(see I can do it too).
    Yeah gary was all talk but later he changed and was able to help Ash in later sagas. He kept motivating him because he didn't want to fall behind and i love some of the moments they both had. I didn't mind Gary's character and i believe he is responsible for the person Ash is. Lol but shooti better? no just regular but far from better. There is so much i can back up to prove it but it won't matter since everyone has seen and compared characters and lt's clear he doesn't match up and never will, especially now with the new rival being introduced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeno48 View Post
    I forgot that scraggy will stick around with ash and continue on to the new region. My bad off course, they will keep his voice actor for that role. Makes perfect sense. If the writers can save money, they will which is why i believe they decided to axe Brock because there was nothing left for him to do or they would have kept paying him a lot more with such a minimal role.



    He's not a good rival period, he is basic generic trainer like any other unlike Paul which i believe was probably the best rival he had. Do you not see that diamond and pearl was praised because of their rivalry. So going from such a huge climax to acting like nothing occurred and reset everything is annoying and limits his progress because i expected him to be at a different level than this. Again to my disappointment they had Ash start out underpowered this region to the point where i hated the transition from sinnoh to unova. Resetting pikahu, having him lose to trip's starter who was a beginner and among other things that they try and pull off makes it impossible for me to appreciate trip as a worthy rival for Ash. You can try and rationalize it but he sucks compared to Paul who challenged all the leagues Ash did and made him a better trainer. Something Trip has yet to accomplish.



    There is a reason for that, because he is not as good and people expected him to be, going from an awesome rival after such a huge conclusion to a starting trainer like Trip is an insult imo to diamond and pearl. Paul had everything people liked and expected instead of some plain old happy character.



    Yeah gary was all talk but later he changed and was able to help Ash in later sagas. He kept motivating him because he didn't want to fall behind and i love some of the moments they both had. I didn't mind Gary's character and i believe he is responsible for the person Ash is. Lol but shooti better? no just regular but far from better. There is so much i can back up to prove it but it won't matter since everyone has seen and compared characters and lt's clear he doesn't match up and never will, especially now with the new rival being introduced.
    No not really, they cut Takeshi because they came to a point where they really didn't find anything else to give him, finally found a decent way to make him go and just did it.

    Exactly and that is why Shinji is my favourite rival, I don't go fanboy and hate on Shooti from the start due to that, Shooti actually has more to him then Shinji character wise, he has helped Satoshi, he isn't an *** to just about everyone(including his brother), he doesn't bash Satoshi pokemon he bashes him for being from Kanto, to me he has been fun to watch, like I said hasn't gotten the screentime that I would like him to have but he has been fun to watch, I'm not trying to rationalize anything, you can't comparo Shooti to Satoshi or Shinji at the point they were in the league, Shinji would obviously beat him because he doesn't just store all his pokemon when he changes region so even if his "Pikachu" was reseted, he would just beat Snivy with something else, thats just plot... you can't compare things that are not comprable.

    About Pikachu reseting yeah they always do it and they have to do it, because they don't get rid of him since he is a main character and because of that he has to be reset in power or do absolutelly nothing during an entire region, I actually liked how it was done this time with Zekrom doing it.

    Yup thats why I like Shigeru now, even though it was a 360 turn, he finally got to the point of some good writing and I enjoy his character a lot more then I did before nowadays.

    Yes to me Shooti rivalry has been better then Shigeru which like I said is not hard since the old writing was awful, yes I find his character and his relation with Alder and his "hobbie" of taking photos and his xenophobic actions against Satoshi much but better then, "nananananna I'm better then you!!!!".

    What does the new rival have to do with anything? Satoshi has 3 this region, Shooti, Kenyan and Belle its just another one, hopefully this one will be the guy to beat Satoshi in the league instead of a random dude coming out, we don't even know how this new rival will fit in the story it migth be just a Junior World Tournament rival(which I doubt).

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    No not really, they cut Takeshi because they came to a point where they really didn't find anything else to give him, finally found a decent way to make him go and just did it.
    Is it confirmed that that's the reason or is it because there was actually no use for him and again it was expensive to keep him on for another region? i believe money also played a role in this. So i don't believe that they didn't find anything else just that they waited too long to give him a reason to leave.

    Exactly and that is why Shinji is my favourite rival, I don't go fanboy and hate on Shooti from the start due to that, Shooti actually has more to him then Shinji character wise, he has helped Satoshi, he isn't an *** to just about everyone(including his brother), he doesn't bash Satoshi pokemon he bashes him for being from Kanto, to me he has been fun to watch, like I said hasn't gotten the screentime that I would like him to have but he has been fun to watch, I'm not trying to rationalize anything, you can't comparo Shooti to Satoshi or Shinji at the point they were in the league, Shinji would obviously beat him because he doesn't just store all his pokemon when he changes region so even if his "Pikachu" was reseted, he would just beat Snivy with something else, thats just plot... you can't compare things that are not comprable.

    About Pikachu reseting yeah they always do it and they have to do it, because they don't get rid of him since he is a main character and because of that he has to be reset in power or do absolutelly nothing during an entire region, I actually liked how it was done this time with Zekrom doing it.

    Yup thats why I like Shigeru now, even though it was a 360 turn, he finally got to the point of some good writing and I enjoy his character a lot more then I did before nowadays.

    Yes to me Shooti rivalry has been better then Shigeru which like I said is not hard since the old writing was awful, yes I find his character and his relation with Alder and his "hobbie" of taking photos and his xenophobic actions against Satoshi much but better then, "nananananna I'm better then you!!!!".

    What does the new rival have to do with anything? Satoshi has 3 this region, Shooti, Kenyan and Belle its just another one, hopefully this one will be the guy to beat Satoshi in the league instead of a random dude coming out, we don't even know how this new rival will fit in the story it migth be just a Junior World Tournament rival(which I doubt)
    I just think he isn't a worthy rival, this would be fine if they choose a different protagonist but i think Ash deserves someone better than him. You follow me? that's all i'm saying. He isn't a bad trainer but not a worthy rival for Ash.
    I believe the resetting limits the progress caused from the previous shows and that shouldn't be the case for Ash. They have to wrap up his story at some point and move on to a new protagonist. If they wanted too they could have Ash around the level of elite 4 members by now but it puzzles me that they keep at it this way and makes me dislike some of the concepts around the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I hope they just drop Trip right after the Unova league. The character bombed in every capacity and nothing can save him now.
    I see no reason to keep him after the league either, after Ash has beaten Gary and Paul at the leagues they pretty much were written out. I see no reason for Trip to stay since Gary/Paul didn't.
    Unless they want to replace him with the new rival, they may keep both of them around after the League. It depends on where both stories lead to the rest of the saga.
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    I think all this talk about Trip is unfair. As the first one after arguably the cruelest best rival in the series, it's obviously a tough act to follow. No matter what story/personality/appearance he was gonna have, he was always going to be negatively compared to Paul, and aren't you all pretty unashamed of yourselves to be living up to my expectations?


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    Quote Originally Posted by G50 View Post
    Unless they want to replace him with the new rival, they may keep both of them around after the League. It depends on where both stories lead to the rest of the saga.
    Sadly one is going to receive more screen time so no matter how you put it i don't think it will go well for Trip once that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeno48 View Post
    Sadly one is going to receive more screen time so no matter how you put it i don't think it will go well for Trip once that happens.
    With both of them having different fully evolved starters, maybe the writers could have their personalities be opposites as well as their experience. That way they could keep both of them for different reasons.
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    I kinda think the new rival will be a tournament only rival. maybe ash beats/loses to him at the world tournament and then meets em at the league with the opposite result

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    I kinda think the new rival will be a tournament only rival. maybe ash beats/loses to him at the world tournament and then meets em at the league with the opposite result
    Maybe Ash ends up losing to him both times, and their rivalry continues after the BW2 saga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G50 View Post
    Maybe Ash ends up losing to him both times, and their rivalry continues after the BW2 saga.
    that hasn't happened since Gary so I kinda doubt it. maybe ash loses to him both times and beats him in a post league tournament before best wishes ends

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    that hasn't happened since Gary so I kinda doubt it. maybe ash loses to him both times and beats him in a post league tournament before best wishes ends
    That could work too, or they could face other in a post-league episode that isn't a tournament before Ash goes back to Kanto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G50 View Post
    That could work too, or they could face other in a post-league episode that isn't a tournament before Ash goes back to Kanto.
    that could work. I just thought it would be nice if ash gets to beat the guy who kicks him out of a league in a later battle

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