~~Team AMERICA!~~

[Takeo]

That's what I meant, red.

[jesusfreak94]

Oh **** what do I do.

My friend just sent me a Facebook message saying "check out my ubers team" which linked to a Pokemon showdown match. Oh my, do I pretend I know nothing or explode with endless rants about how to improve his team.

Do it, BH. Unleash your inner nerd and help that poor person not suck at Ubers!

[Montresor]

Oh **** what do I do.

My friend just sent me a Facebook message saying "check out my ubers team" which linked to a Pokemon showdown match. Oh my, do I pretend I know nothing or explode with endless rants about how to improve his team.

you have a civil duty to help people get better at pokemon

[Phoopes]

You are the tutor that he deserves, but not the one he needs right now.

Don't share your knowledge.

[jesusfreak94]

Just saying, but if anyone want to challenge my Frontier thing, I've banned Baton Pass for my Tier 10 battles. Spore makes it incredibly easy for Smeargle to pass a Shift Gear, Quiver Dance, or Shell Smash boost to something, and that can turn many already-powerful Pokemon into nearly unmanageable threats. For example, if Lucario gets a Shell Smash boost, it will then have the ability to 2HKO Intimidate Gyarados, normally a solid counter, with Crunch even without a boosting item. Togekiss can also be extremely dangerous, since there are pretty much no good Tier 10 Pokemon that can take its hits super well to begin with. Usually it's manageable by checking it with faster Pokemon, but if it has a Shell Smash or Quiver Dance speed boost, then it can kill most of the tier between Air Slash and Aura Sphere and flinch hax those who can take a hit to death. Normally this wouldn't be that bad, but the number of good Pokemon that get the main countermeasures to Baton Pass (phazing moves, Haze, Taunt, and Perish Song) in Tier 10 are few and far between.

So yeah, no Baton Pass if you challenge me for the Frontier, and I have edited this rule into the OP of the Frontier thread.

[Blue Harvest]

Why not just ban Smeargle entirely? It seems like it defeats the purpose of "only use stuff with restricted movepools"

Also does Gyarados actually beat Lucario? Its movepool consists of Thrash and Splash.

[jesusfreak94]

Why not just ban Smeargle entirely? It seems like it defeats the purpose of "only use stuff with restricted movepools"

You do have a point, but without a ban on Baton Pass, there would still be the possibility of Pokemon like Scizor and Gliscor passing speed and Def boosts and stuff. Normally that wouldn't be a problem (Lucario already gets Agility as it is), but one of the main reasons that Togekiss is manageable is through its weakness to Stealth Rock and ability to be checked due to its lack of a speed boosting move. However, if you pass a speed boost to it (and maybe even a Def boost or something), then it will have no trouble sweeping your entire team with Nasty Plot. Besides, without Baton Pass, Smeargle just sets hazards and puts something to sleep (which Exeggutor, Tangrowth, and Roserade can do too, but while being offensive threats as well). It's still pretty good, but at least Tier 10 has a great spinner in Cloyster to get rid of the hazards.

Also does Gyarados actually beat Lucario? Its movepool consists of Thrash and Splash.

I did a few calcs, and...mostly. Adamant CB Gyarados 2HKOs Lucario about 96% of the time with Thrash, which is pretty good. Depending on whether you're running max Atk / max Spe with the leftovers in bulk or max Atk / max bulk with the leftovers somewhere else, Adamant LO Lucario 3HKOs with Hi Jump Kick about 98% or 56% of the time, respectively. Factoring in that, and the slightly low accuracy of Hi Jump Kick, Gyarados wins most of the time against LO Lucario. CB is another story, however.

[Blue Harvest]

Seems like if anything is broken, it's obviously Smeargle.

Scizor can't Baton Pass anything I think. It learns Agility / SD as late level up moves.

Gliscor Baton Passes Agility... and... Harden? Do you really think 2x speed is broken? For one besides Baton Pass and Agility Gliscor / Gligar's movepool basically consists of the elemental fangs and Knock Off (which isn't TERRIBLE, I guess). You can't beat that by running priority moves, or just using something like Rotom to beat Togekiss?

Smeargle on the other hand has an unrestricted movepool allowing it to either Spike, or Baton Pass... two things with VASTLY different counters further hampered by it vomiting Spores everywhere.

Edit: If Lucario is a problem run Qwilfish lol. I have yet to see my Qwilfish lose against Lucario. Brine + Aqua Jet generally takes it down fast enough.

[jesusfreak94]

I got started typing a response and just thought, "Eh, forget it." Smeargle's annoying as it is regardless of what it's running, and it does kinda defeat the purpose of Tier 10 to begin with.

[Blue Harvest]

I got started typing a response and just thought, "Eh, forget it." Smeargle's annoying as it is regardless of what it's running, and it does kinda defeat the purpose of Tier 10 to begin with.

lol that's how I always end up feeling with all Pokemon debates! Welcome to my horrible world Gibbs.

Edit: Beat Rairyan at tier 10 in a GG.

[Rairyan]

lol that's how I always end up feeling with all Pokemon debates! Welcome to my horrible world Gibbs.

Edit: Beat Rairyan at tier 10 in a GG.

confirmed gg it was really fun

[Phoopes]

So I've been laddering recently, and have been getting raped by Sun teams and bad luck. But mostly Sun teams. So, Team America, what's your favorite counter to Sun teams?

*takes out notepad*

[KingTorterraXIV]

activity post for tier 10, i haven't seen rockstar anywhere @.@

[Montresor]

So I've been laddering recently, and have been getting raped by Sun teams and bad luck. But mostly Sun teams. So, Team America, what's your favorite counter to Sun teams?

*takes out notepad*

tran

[Blue Harvest]

Hariyama

[KingTorterraXIV]

Hariyama

The answer to life, the universe and everything is now Hariyama.

If was foretold by Gyromancy

[jesusfreak94]

So I've been laddering recently, and have been getting raped by Sun teams and bad luck. But mostly Sun teams. So, Team America, what's your favorite counter to Sun teams?

*takes out notepad*

Dragonite, BalloonTran, HP Fire Latias, Thick Fat Mamoswine, or just change the weather (some Sun teams don't play around Abomasnow well at all).

[Blue Harvest]

Oddly enough I've found Quick Attack Scizor very useful vs Sun teams. Between U-turn, Quick Attack, and Bullet Punch most sun teams don't have many good answers to this especially when QA 2HKOs Ninetales and Volcarona. Scizor checks (and sometimes hard counters) all Chlorophyll sweepers. It does fairly well against standard Lavos Sun, even better if it runs Pursuit > Superpower. EVen sun that runs Genesect doesn't stop Scizor as Genesect is 3HKOed by Bullet Punch, meaning it only counters Scizor once.

[jesusfreak94]

How does Snorlax fare against Sun teams? I'm too lazy to run calcs right now, but it seems like it'd do alright. Maybe a specially defensive CB set? Between Thick Fat, STAB Return, coverage in Fire Punch and Earthquake, and great special bulk, it looks like it'd be a real jerk for Sun teams to handle. Maybe you could even throw on Sleep Talk to switch into Venusaur's Sleep Powder and then hammer away with random moves. Being asleep would also save you from random burns from Ninetales's Will-O-Wisp and random Fire Blast/Flamethrower/whatever burn hax as well.

[Jets]

war lessgo