The Crystalline Guard

[Zachmac]

Chomp is broken with or without sand veil. If it's reintroduced purely because of the fact that sand veil will be banned is just ridiculous and ******** and stupid and not a good thing to do and I have clearly run out of adjectives a while ago

Meh. Personally, I never thought it was that insanely OP. It's ridiculously easy to revenge kill, since it's only got 102 speed. Personally, I find moxiemence more threatening, and even then, I don't think that's ban worthy.

The only problem was that sand veil turned around the tide of the battle one too many times. And it's not like stall cares to much, half of them carry Skarmories anyway, and they have better things to worry about, like Gliscor and Reuniclus. If something is banned because it's too dangerous for stall, it should be one of those two. Or both. If you want it banned, I'd like to see what your argument is. Insults don't prove anything either way. Just try to keep a level head - that's what strategy games are all about.

And besides that, the metagame has changed quite a bit since it was banned in early B/W. There are plenty of little things that can change this, like Mamoswine's and Donphan's rise in usage.

...Though I do wonder if this'll cause Sableye and Bronzong to be seen more.

Still not sure whether to use genes ect or counter him on a new team. Speaking of excadrill. I'm surprised there aren't more sand genes ect. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but sand can't do anything but help it right?

It'll help a little, but Genesect really doesn't care either way.

[Rhonder]

Your House: Tourmaline
Opponent's House: Emerald
Opponent's Name: McDanger
Win/Loss/Draw + Score: Win, 3-0
Rate your performance out of 50: 35
Rate opponent's performance out of 50: 35
Any improvements for opponent: Hmmm i dunno, the only thing besides that miss that would have helped is if my gyara hadn't outsped that poke at the end. However, I do give you major props for being original
Any thing else worth mentioning?: He missed a Stone Edge on my moxie-ing gyarados that pretty much cost him the game. /I might have/ been able to work around it dying, but not likely, or if I had the score would have been 1-0 instead most likely. Other than that miss, gg.

[Zachmac]

As of today, I can now say that specs Keldeo is one of my favorite competitive pokemon sets ever.

I only added it to handle those blisseys and scizors....but it's just so fast and hits so hard, I think I'll be hanging on to this set for a while.

[Magicmonkey]

Welcome on board I like how you have a good grasp of your strengths and weaknesses, definitely makes it easier to improve. I agree, multi battling is so fun xD I almost wish that one year they'd use that as the battle format for the VGC instead of just regular double battles... Since they do double battles /every year/ anyways....



No way really? xD I just beat Drayden with all of my team in the 40-41 range and had little trouble... Also I caught my Cobalion in a regular pokeball too 8D though I was trying for that LOL



Yeah, Heatran does sound like a good fix... it's just he doesn't really fit well on my current team :[



Haha really? xD I joined Comp battling after Excadrill was already banned so I don't even know. But yeah... So much Genesect! lol

Scarf nape or scarf bluff nape is a good counter to genesect. Even a CC predicting a heatran swith in or similar does 60-70%, which will stack up with rocks pretty quickly.

Still not sure whether to use genes ect or counter him on a new team. Speaking of excadrill. I'm surprised there aren't more sand genes ect. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but sand can't do anything but help it right?

He loses thunder, but gains flamethrower against ferrothorn, so i'd consider it good, passive damage helping, but with sand and possibly a spinner, it gets too much support for one pokemon.

[Sparkbeat]

...Though I do wonder if this'll cause Sableye and Bronzong to be seen more.It'll help a little, but Genesect really doesn't care either way.

Personally the only pokemon MORE annoying than genesect is bronzong. He's really underrated and is a great rain counter with levitate and great special defenses as well as dual screens. Really just posted this at the mention of Bronzong.

[Zachmac]

Personally the only pokemon MORE annoying than genesect is bronzong. He's really underrated and is a great rain counter with levitate and great special defenses as well as dual screens. Really just posted this at the mention of Bronzong.

Meh, I don't think Bronzong is all that underrated, but maybe a little. The reason it's never really seen in OU is because it doesn't have a good recovery move, meaning that offensive pokemon can just pound away at it without worrying too much.

Though a physically defensive version could probably work pretty well with a wish-passing Blissy.

It is an all round good pokemon though, which is why I even brought it up.

[Jonah the Slaking]

Personally the only pokemon MORE annoying than genesect is bronzong. He's really underrated and is a great rain counter with levitate and great special defenses as well as dual screens. Really just posted this at the mention of Bronzong.

I still think Heatproof is better, since no one is going to risk using Ground moves until they KNOW it has Heatproof. Though I guess Levitate would be better in the rain, since the rain is basically Heatproof along with it.

[Zachmac]

I still think Heatproof is better, since no one is going to risk using Ground moves until they KNOW it has Heatproof. Though I guess Levitate would be better in the rain, since the rain is basically Heatproof along with it.

Though half of being a defensive pokemon is being able to come in on an attack and defend it's allies. By giving it heatproof, it'll no longer be able to defend from the ground attacks, but will find it's ability to be even less useful, since your enemies will become suspicious if you swap it in on a pokemon like Heatran who that ability to to help wall.

Maybe you could get away with it if your team has a lot of ground resist, but honestly, it's more effective to pair it up with a politoad or some other fire resist.

[Coloure]

I think I might need help understanding cores /: For some reason, they seem so confusing for me.

[tokyo/seven]

Chomp is broken with or without sand veil. If it's reintroduced purely because of the fact that sand veil will be banned is just ridiculous and ******** and stupid and not a good thing to do and I have clearly run out of adjectives a while ago

I don't think so...not with Genesect running around now...

[Zachmac]

I think I might need help understanding cores /: For some reason, they seem so confusing for me.

Well, no one ever explained them to me, but I've picked up that a core is simply a group of pokemon who support eachother well, and are what the rest of the team revolves around.

The most famous cores are known as Skarbliss and Jellithorn, both of which defensive. While Skarbliss has fallen in popularity, Skarmory's stats and typing allow it to take most physical attacks for Blissey, and Blissy's massive HP and special defense allow it to take on all off Skarmory's counters, besides ones who use trick.

Jellithorn is similar, but both of which are more of mixed walls that handle different OU threats with their typing. Ferrothorn struggles with just about every pokemon with a fire or fighting attack, while Jellicent can easily take most of them on, and it really helps that most fighting type attack users are crippled by Jellicent's will-o-wisp, along with any Dragonite or Salamence not carrying a lum berry.

And the most famous offensive core happens to be Rotom-W and Scizor. These two are so successful since Rotom-W can use Volt Switch on it's incoming counter, and swap out to Scizor, who can handle almost all of Rotom-W's counters with ease, thanks to it's high attack stat. And when it uses U-turn on an incoming counter, it changes to Rotom-W, who in return, is likely to counter said pokemon. Most offensive cores, however, just rely on wearing down a common weakness. A have an offensive core of Dragonite, Salamance, and Haxorus, and while a steel type can wall one of them, it'll have difficulty withstanding too many outrages from all three, with Skarmory being the only exception.

[spiderman123]

I don't think so...not with Genesect running around now...

chompisfaster

[Zachmac]

chompisfaster

Though most Genesects are scarfed, I think it's only a fair argument if you give a larger list then just one pokemon.

Genesect alone won't fit on every team in the universe. But really, Chomp is checked by a lot of pokemon rather easily. I'm still not too worried.

[Psycho Cut]

Honestly, Psycho, I feel that what prohawk did is okay, because it was obviously a joke. I'm sure you've said "Google it" before. And yeah, give the ladder time to make sense.

It's not that, it's just the additude and the swearing that bothers me. But it's behind us now, so yeah, let's let it drop.

Chomp is broken with or without sand veil. If it's reintroduced purely because of the fact that sand veil will be banned is just ridiculous and ******** and stupid and not a good thing to do and I have clearly run out of adjectives a while ago

I disagree with you there. The Banning of Sand Veil has made illegal Chomp's most evil set (SubSD Sand Veil Hax) which is awesome. Then, with all the BW2 additions, like Keldeo, Tornadus-T and Landorus-T, there's a lot more stuff that can counter Chomp. So, imo, it's at the very least worth a retest. In the long term though, I think it will stay OU. It'll be a big threat, sure, but I think it'll stay.

Still not sure whether to use genes ect or counter him on a new team. Speaking of excadrill. I'm surprised there aren't more sand genes ect. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but sand can't do anything but help it right?

The only benefit it gets from Sand is that it doesn't get hurt by Sandstorm and most other Pokemon do. It's a nice bonus, but not as good as having a boosted Flamethrower or having your only weakness reduced and being able to run Thunder over Thunderbolt.

As of today, I can now say that specs Keldeo is one of my favorite competitive pokemon sets ever.

I only added it to handle those blisseys and scizors....but it's just so fast and hits so hard, I think I'll be hanging on to this set for a while.

Gah, I remember being 6-0 in a match against ND by that thing...

I still think Heatproof is better, since no one is going to risk using Ground moves until they KNOW it has Heatproof. Though I guess Levitate would be better in the rain, since the rain is basically Heatproof along with it.

Yes, but Levitate allows you to avoid Spikes and be able to switch into Ground Attacks, which I think is more of an advantage. Besides, all the opponent needs to do is keep one layer of Spikes on the field and the game's up.

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GET YOUR FRPL MATCHES DONE TOO!

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I'll be on Showdown for a bit too, under the alt "Psycho Cut", challenge me for test battles, or normal battles.

[Prohawk]

As of today, I can now say that specs Keldeo is one of my favorite competitive pokemon sets ever.

I only added it to handle those blisseys and scizors....but it's just so fast and hits so hard, I think I'll be hanging on to this set for a while.

It's pretty much like running Banded Terrakion, but with the ability to hit on Special + Physical and no priority weakness

Personally the only pokemon MORE annoying than genesect is bronzong. He's really underrated and is a great rain counter with levitate and great special defenses as well as dual screens. Really just posted this at the mention of Bronzong.

Bronzong is actually amazing. If it had recover it would see so much more usage

I don't think so...not with Genesect running around now...

Chomp is faster and can hit with fire moves. ScarfChomp is not uncommon either

I disagree with you there. The Banning of Sand Veil has made illegal Chomp's most evil set (SubSD Sand Veil Hax) which is awesome. Then, with all the BW2 additions, like Keldeo, Tornadus-T and Landorus-T, there's a lot more stuff that can counter Chomp. So, imo, it's at the very least worth a retest. In the long term though, I think it will stay OU. It'll be a big threat, sure, but I think it'll stay.

Yes, but Levitate allows you to avoid Spikes and be able to switch into Ground Attacks, which I think is more of an advantage. Besides, all the opponent needs to do is keep one layer of Spikes on the field and the game's up.

Tornadus-T nor Keldeo counter Chomp as counters need to be able to switch in, take a hit, and KO or force out the next turn. ScarfChomp owns Tornadus-T and non-scarf Keldeo.

Also Spikes are actually pretty rare outside of stall and Dexoys-D leads. You can pretty much get away with running Heatproof Bronzong, or even feigning Heatproof. I'm always wary of Bronzong whenever I see it because you never know exactly what it's going to do. Unless you see a Kingdra, then it's obvious

[mcdanger]

Still not sure whether to use genes ect or counter him on a new team. Speaking of excadrill. I'm surprised there aren't more sand genes ect. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but sand can't do anything but help it right?

while sand helps him, he prefers rain

Chomp is broken with or without sand veil. If it's reintroduced purely because of the fact that sand veil will be banned is just ridiculous and ******** and stupid and not a good thing to do and I have clearly run out of adjectives a while ago

no, just no and smogon has already said garchomp IS coming back. He isnt OP, he fits fine in this metagame, but a top tier poke like genesect

[Magicmonkey]

It's pretty much like running Banded Terrakion, but with the ability to hit on Special + Physical and no priority weakness



Bronzong is actually amazing. If it had recover it would see so much more usage



Chomp is faster and can hit with fire moves. ScarfChomp is not uncommon either



Tornadus-T nor Keldeo counter Chomp as counters need to be able to switch in, take a hit, and KO or force out the next turn. ScarfChomp owns Tornadus-T and non-scarf Keldeo.

Also Spikes are actually pretty rare outside of stall and Dexoys-D leads. You can pretty much get away with running Heatproof Bronzong, or even feigning Heatproof. I'm always wary of Bronzong whenever I see it because you never know exactly what it's going to do. Unless you see a Kingdra, then it's obvious

levitate balloon bronzong.

[Zachmac]

levitate balloon bronzong.

Outclassed by balloon rotom-fan. Just saying.

Unless you meant to say heatproof balloon? But the lack of leftovers isn't worth it.

[Magicmonkey]

Outclassed by balloon rotom-fan. Just saying.

Unless you meant to say heatproof balloon? But the lack of leftovers isn't worth it.

they pop the balloon and think they can EQ. they where wrong.

[Avicii]

Genesect @ Expert Belt
Trait: Download
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 192 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- U-turn
- Thunder
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower

it's great, cause you can feign a scarf set, and then just whack them with another SE hit.

Thanks! I'll definately try it out.

Honestly, Psycho, I feel that what prohawk did is okay, because it was obviously a joke. I'm sure you've said "Google it" before. And yeah, give the ladder time to make sense.

Yeah but then again, she's a little girl. She's not gonna know he's joking. You can't really tell over the internet.

Which also means you can't use Sand Veil Cacturne/Sandslash.

But honestly, I was swept by a pretty new play just because none of my attacks were hitting their darn cacturne before...I'm rather glad those abilities are banned. And without it, Garchomp doesn't worry me at all either.

Sandslash never really used Sand Veil anyways. Its other ability outclasses it.