Got nothing on my Final Gambit Shedinja =DOriginally Posted by Zachmac
Swampert is actually a fairly decent Gene Counter, even though it can't OHKO it back. Maybe HP Fire Swampy =]
A Professional Bird
Got nothing on my Final Gambit Shedinja =D
Swampert is actually a fairly decent Gene Counter, even though it can't OHKO it back. Maybe HP Fire Swampy =]
Needs a title.
It doesn't need to OHKO, it just needs to KO first.
But please, I've got a Shedinja that knows substitute and holds the sticky barb. That's much more creative.
Aeon
Flamethrower still does like 70% in rain, I think.
The next quote might help you.
So some of you wanted me to make a guide so I hope this will do.
Synergy Time
The Guide
Step 1: Choose a pokemon to center the team around how about a gliscor
Step 2: Determine a set you'd like to try out, we have a gliscor who can be played both defensively and offensively so how about we make a little unique set.
Gliscor @ Flying Gem
Nature Adamant
Ability Poison Heal
Evs 204 HP 252 Atk 52 Spd
Acrobatics
Ice Fang/U-Turn
Earthquake
Tailwind
Now this set is unique it takes the sand veil offensive gliscor and twists it as tailwind is not typically used in singles. However we sacrifice speed for a little bulk and tailwind will give gliscor the speed it lost. Now for those who dont know tailwind will double the speed of your team for three turns. Now we have acrobatics as the obvious powerful stab move and with max attacking investment it will do a lot of damage. Next we have ice fang to hit dragons such as dragonite or salamence so we dont have to waste the flying gem, however we can opt for u turn if we desire to scout or preserve gliscor simply by using this move on the last turn of tailwind. Earthquake is the final stab move that we'll use for jirachi and metagross. Now the evs are custom made so that gliscor will have just enough speed to outspeed scarf base 110's with a positive nature while the rest goes into to hit points so gliscor will have an easier time setting up a tailwind and finally poison heal to absorb toxic from walls such blissey and get its health back. However if your running a sand team we might want to run sand veil however you might miss the status absorber.
Step 3: Figure out your weaknesses. In this case gliscor is weak to ice and water.
Step 4: Figure out what pokemon use these types. In our case common ones include rotom-w latios mamoswine politoed vaporeon and gastrodon. Now if you notice most of these pokemon are special attackers bar mamoswine so the best bet is to go with a special sponge.
Step 5: Find a pokemon to fit the requirements you need. In this case we need a special wall and a pokemon to take on water and ice so why not give a slowking a try
Step 6: Determine the set.
Slowking @ Leftovers
Nature Calm
Ability Regenerator
Evs 252 HP 252 SDef 4 SAtk
Toxic
Scald
Slack Off
Grass Knot
Now slowking is what you might call a specially defensive behemoth as it can sponge a specs draco meteor from latios and live with about 33% remaining this will allow slowking to also sponge scalds ice beams and surfs from pokemon and then recover them off via slack off or switching out with regenerator. Scald will allow us a nice stab and to get some damage off upon whatever decides to take it and potentially burn the opponent with the 30% chance. Next off we have grass knot which may seem weird but it one of the few ways we can hit gastrodon with this core while toxic will allow slowking to cripple and ware down opponents pokemon to a point where gliscor can come in and wipe out the rest of the opponents team
Step 7: Look at the two you have and analyze their weaknesses combined. In this case we have nothing to really take grass ghost or dark attacks.
Step 8: So looking at our weaknesses we may want a dark type which can also resist grass so lets take a look we could try houndoom bisharp hydreigon honchkrow and shiftry. Out of these pokemon we want something that can come in on gengar a pokemon neither of our pokemon will appreciate so we can go sucker punch bisharp or honchkrow but hydreigon houndoom and shiftry are out. So lets try honchkrow
Step 9: Determine your set so we have a few sets to try scarf or life subroost honchkrow.
Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Ability Moxie
Nature Jolly
Evs 4 Def 252 Atk 252 Spd
Sucker Punch
Night Slash
Superpower
Brave Bird
Now with the release of black and white two the don of pokemon into a new rage as you can now run superpower with moxie a thing that will make ferrothorn and skarmory quiver in fear. Sucker punch allows me to hit gengar and dragons that have set up very hard with a stab life orb base 80 move. Night slash allows honchkrow to still have a stab when the pokemon are predicting a sucker punch. Brave bird allows honchkrow to abuse its second stab.
Things to Remember
1. Orginality vs Stupidity
You need to remember that while originality is good there is a point where sets wont work obviously a physical slowking will not work well at all.
2. Threats
Any core will not be able to take on every threat however this makes it up to you to find a pokemon that will counter this threat or threats.
3. Rest of the Team
While gliscor may not be the only pokemon focused on this team you want to make sure you have pokemon that work with the pokemon already given to you.
Thank You For Reading This Has Been The Guide To Building A Effective Core
Last edited by The Mysterious Stranger; 14th October 2012 at 9:50 PM.
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A Professional Bird
Yes, that is a far better way to say what I should have said lol *notes for future reference*
Pah, my Shedinja does damage. You gots nothing on me
Lelouch vi Britannia
swampert fails as expert belt genesect tends to run giga drain
Spoiler:- credit:
Aeon
I get swampert with HP grass toed. I run Flamethrower on Genesect.
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A Professional Bird
Only your one does lol. Depending on the coverage move, Gene can be countered by a lot. If it's lacking Tbolt, Tentacruel and Keldeo can come in fairly safe. Missing Ice Beam, hello Landy and Gliscor. Missing Flamethrower, incoming Scizor and Ferrothorn. Missing U-Turn/Bug Buzz, Ttar got this. Really Gene has no hard counter (aside from balloon Heatran) but it's all about finding out the set. Of course by the time you do that you may have already lost half your team
Needs a title.
Really, it's best just to find out which item it's holding, and then attempt to outpredict it with a check. Going through the work of finding one specific counter for each set is more work then it's worth.More people really need to take this into consideration. Not talking about anyone in specific, I'm just saying.1. Orginality vs Stupidity
No point in using an original set if another pokemon or set can do the same job better.
Last edited by Zachmac; 14th October 2012 at 10:41 PM.
Lelouch vi Britannia
^this
i normally handle genesect 1 or 3 ways
1) e-belt, jirachi punches it out
2)scarfed force in to switches on rocks and close combat its face
3)predict a switch in
Spoiler:- credit:
CG Emerald Leader
Okay, so USA wanted me to post this, it's the result of a battle we just had on PS! Now, he's using it as his Battle of the Day(/Week?) so I've spoliered it incase any of you like watching the battles without knowing the outcome.
Spoiler:- Battle:
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Beginning Trainer
I use Giga on mine, it's such a great move.
Genesect @ Expert Belt
Trait: Download
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower
- Giga Drain
- Rock Polish
that's my exact set right there.
The One and Only
Scarfed Limber Ditto is heading your way my friend.
Can't he learn the punches?
Needs a title.
Oh please, that's got nothing on my ditto. It's pretty much the same set, but with the iron ball instead.Scarfed Limber Ditto is heading your way my friend.I wouldn't expect it to know fire punch.Can't he learn the punches?
Life As We Know It
Lol, same exact set I'm using. Also I'm going to download showdown, so I'll be on that in a few minutes!
OMG It's So Cute!!!!
I'd rather run specs chomp on my sun teams
Well your in luck I have a core for tonight focused around countering genesect
insert mamoswine and donohan
I was going to do this
Showdown is an online web server no download
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Needs a title.
I just swapped my scarf, jolly, Terrakion in on a dark attack and it just got a justified boost. My opponent then tried to sponge the close combat with their Latios...which I 2HKOed.
Terrakion is scary...
OMG It's So Cute!!!!
BOTD
Ok This Latias Is Officially Getting Hidden Power Fire
Synergy Time
Trapping Dem Genesects
Yanmega @ Choice Scarf
Nature Timid
Ability Frisk
Evs 36 HP 252 SAtk 220 Spd
Bug Buzz
Air Slash
Detect
Hidden Power (Fire)
Say hello to yanmega a pokemon often forgotten and often considered inferior to other pokemon such as volcarona and scizor however yanmega has three great abilities being speed boost, tinted lens, and the one this set features frisk. Now frisk is often never used and considered worthless much like its user. Frisk allows you to scout out what item the opponent has so its not bad when used with a lead pokemon yanmega does this well as it can be unpredicted to have a scarf yanmega. Air slash allows yanmega to hit volcarona and puts virizion in its place as it is able to outspeed and ohko it. Yanmega's speed evs allow it to outspeed scarf rotom wash and u turn out so you can go into gastrodon to absorb the electric or water move. Bug buzz is the move you will be using most often as it hits the lati twins tyranitar and celebi. Now the fourth move is up to your opinion i chose to have dectect to scout out choiced pokemon such as latios and infernape. However some of you may view this as a waste but i can attest that it is one potent suprise for genesect so hidden power is there to deal with scizor, ferrothorn and genesect.
Heatran @ Leftovers
Nature Calm
Ability Flash Fire
Evs 252 HP 200 SDef 56 SAtk
Lava Plume
Hidden Power (Rock)
Earth Power
Stealth Rock
Now heatran can benefit both dugtrio and yanmega well as it is able to sponge most any dragon attack especially special ones as well as fight off ice types bar mamoswine in which i suggest rotom wash to aid this core. While it also can absorb grass and ghost attacks with ease. Lava Plume is much liked just because of its increased chance to burn the opponent while it also gets a stab and can deal with ferrothorn skarmory and celebi bar ones that carry earth power. Hidden Power rock may seem weird however it deals with volcarona very very easily as opposed to other specially defensive heatrans that have to toxic stall it. Having heatran also enables this core to carry stealth rocks and earth power enables heatran to hit jolteon and other heatran and the special attack evs help to ko other specially defensive harder than they hit me.
Dugtrio @ Focus Sash
Nature Jolly
Ability Arena Trap
Evs 252 Atk 252 Spd 4 SDef
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Reversal
Stone Edge
Dugtrio works perfectly with heatran as it can take on the main things stopping heatran and smite them down to hell. Arena trap is the sole purpose to use this little guy as it allows him to prevent without flying typing or levitate from switching out meaning its one of the best waysnof dealing with heatran and blissey. Earthquake allows me to easily dispose of infernape heatran and terrakion and tyranitar this allows chandelure a much easier sweep while stone edge will get rid of tornadus therian and somewhat damage the latitwins enough to where i can bring something in to kill them. We have reversal to hit blissey as the health ivs allow dugtrio to live two seismic tosses and live on 1 hp allow it to switch in earthquake and then go for the kill with reversal. Finally I have put stealth rock on dugtrio to lay down a form of hazards right before it dies. Another thing about this pokemon is that it can come in on a scarf genesect locked into thunderbolt and set up stealth rocks and then earthquake it to death after yanmega scouts out genesects set.
Last edited by Voice Of The Forest; 15th October 2012 at 12:33 AM.
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Life As We Know It
Yeah, i saw a large download button so i assumed it was a download xD
Can't Bring Me Down!
My amazing NU troll.
Marshtomp @ Eviolite / Focus Sash
Bold - Torrent
252 HP, 128 Defence, 128 Sp. Def
-Mirror Coat
-Counter
-Rest
-Seismic Toss / Toxic
Meet NU's Wobbuffet. Marshtomp is such a cool Pokemon, getting both Counter and Mirror Coat. Eviolite can be used to boost his mediocre base 70 defenses to a much more respectable base 105. Combined with his decent bulk, this allows him to take lots of hits, and counter with... Well, Counter, or Mirror Coat. Focus Sash is an alternative that lets him survive attacks from the likes of Vileplume. Rest is, unfortunately, his best recovery move. (Look at it this way; Wobbufett doesn't get ANY recovery moves). Seismic Toss is for those people who decide to be "badass" and set up on you. Toxic also ruins their day, but doesn't hit Steel or Poison types, both of which infest NU. Also, since Marsh is pretty much never used even in NU, nobody really knows what you're running.
Thoughts? Whenever I bring this in, it always kills something, often making 3-4 kills before succumbing to the damage it takes.
YOU CAN'T BRING ME DOWN!!!
Quote of the because I ****ing feel like it, you trashy conformists
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Needs a title.
^I don't play NU, so I'm not the best judge in the world....but as long as your team doesn't struggle against set up sweepers, I don't see wynaut.
...Okay, I'll admit it, I just posted for the sake of the pun...
@USA
While I do see why you decided to put up frisk, at least put "Tinted Lens/Frisk" instead. And really, if you're using scarf Yanmega, you're really in desperate need of a spinner. The stealth rock weakness just seems too risky for a scarf set for me.
Dugtrio and Heatran are fine, though.
Last edited by Zachmac; 15th October 2012 at 12:43 AM.
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