The Crystalline Guard

[Soperman]

Ok dark is here I must be psychic as for citrine thing I believe dark wanted it becAuse of me and so per

Way to sound narcissistic xD

Is there really a solid counter for Latios outside of Ttar?? And I mean a counter, like can switch in on the worst possible move and force it out/KO it first. None of this 'it can switch in on a not-very-effective move' stuff that you guys like to pull. So no Scizor or Scarf Gene nonsense. Something that can switch in, take the hit and force it out/KO it back first.

Remembering that Latios can run Scarf, Specs, Life Orb and pretty much every Special move under the sun + Psyshock.

Well, there's... Uh... Dialga?
Jellicent works pretty well to survive a hit, but can't really strike back. Sturdy works well, like Choice Band Donphan xD
In all seriousness, it can do too much. Latios is unstoppable if played correctly.

BAD
Disney bought Lucasart (or whatever that company was called, the star wars one)(I think)

I heard about that. They're planning on releasing Star Wars Episode VII in 2015.
They can all go to hell.

Also, Deoxys-D is a complete pain in the horse. I would like for it to be banned (personally) but I think beyond setting up hazards and being an all-around nuisance, it isn't too horrible.

Finally, All art requests must be done via PM or VM only. Im only gonna give you guys one warning. Because I strongly dislike the spam.
Thanks!

[Jonah the Slaking]

BAD
No power
Disney bought Lucasart (or whatever that company was called, the star wars one)(I think)

I'm interested in seeing how they'll handle Star Wars. This also means that Star Wars will be in future Kingdom Hearts games, so bonus there.

Sash Mamo still dies to 2 Surfs and can't do much back with a measly Ice Shard, certainly can't OHKO

Well, I know it doesn't OHKO, but it's FAR from "measly." Ice Shard doesn't have a lot of power, but with Mamoswine's Attack and Latios's Defense, it does around 75%, IIRC. If it's weakened already by switching into Rocks a few times, Mamo probably stands a LITTLE bit of a chance.

BOTD
Today's Match is a Little Cup Match Enjoy

HAH! Horsea is meant for higher tiers than LC!...Well, y'know, except for the fact that priority moves.

i vote we get panicles to reopen PR and war them
beat jhen 2-1 in gigas tour

PR wouldn't be the same without Alex. I think Pani knows that better than anyone.

I heard about that. They're planning on releasing Star Wars Episode VII in 2015.
They can all go to hell.

Geez, give 'em a chance at least...

[That Crazy Russian™]

God no, do you even know how they judge what pokes should be banned?? It's not whether they sweep teams or are setup bait. It's if they do their job in a gamebreaking way

yes, i know what makes a pokemon broken, etc -.- and i know how the suspect tests work, etc.

Thundurus-T is far from broken. Base 101 Speed is fairly average, a weakness to rocks doesn't help and even though it has a pretty decent typing and ability, it requires too much support to be successful.

i dont believe i stated it was, arguing against all three getting even a suspect test. i was just saying that its only threatening set, imo, is the nasty plot set.

Gene can do more then simply run a scarf. Use Rock Polish and you can sweep entire teams, I have countless times. Not to mention it can actually go Physical and do it well. When you see a Gene, sure you assume it's Scarfed, but it has an amazing number of options available to it. I hope it doesn't get banned but it probably will.

i hope not as well. but, thats how it goes. yes, it can run anything, but in percent abundance(chemistry ftw), like, 90% are scarf sets, unless your really high on the ladder. and even then....

Dexoys-D actually has some offensive presence while being able to lay down hazards combined with really good speed. Usually a Gene or Scizor will come in to U-Turn on it, but Fire Gem + HP Fire is a common set used higher up on the ladder which not only ruins that chance (on non-scarfed pokes) but also takes away a major offensive threat. That's just one combination. On Smogon they discuss several others, all which are viable and show how much of a threat Deoxys-D really is

i just find this not true. its basically the new suicide lead, and i find it very underwhelming. sure, you get everything set up. then deo dies, and hazards are spun away. it almost always sets hazards correctly, but again, it needs 4, sometimes 5 turns to set them up safely( sr, +2-3 layers of spikes + taunt). i just, impo, dont feel it broken at all.

@soperman, no no. usa is pretty much right. i joined citrine because hes in citrine

[Prohawk]

Well, I know it doesn't OHKO, but it's FAR from "measly." Ice Shard doesn't have a lot of power, but with Mamoswine's Attack and Latios's Defense, it does around 75%, IIRC. If it's weakened already by switching into Rocks a few times, Mamo probably stands a LITTLE bit of a chance.


Geez, give 'em a chance at least...

252 Atk Mamoswine (+Atk) Ice Shard vs 0 HP/0 Def Latios: 57.81% - 68.77% (2 hits to KO)

Assuming adamant Mamo, which isn't usually standard on a sash set. Mamo needs the speed

Plus, I'm looking for a sure-fire counter


And no, Disney will ruin it. Although George Lucas already went ahead and ruined it with the terrible prequel trilogy

[Jonah the Slaking]

252 Atk Mamoswine (+Atk) Ice Shard vs 0 HP/0 Def Latios: 57.81% - 68.77% (2 hits to KO)

Assuming adamant Mamo, which isn't usually standard on a sash set. Mamo needs the speed

That still counts as around D:

[Divine Retribution]

Anyone have a good Tentacruel set that can spin and still has some offensive presence? Having hazards isn't a priority with me, so I want to see if I can run an offensive or tank set.

[Rhonder]

may i join?





Forum Name: Ghosts of the Forums
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Of course you may join, welcome on board

yessssss. 2nd gen's got the easiest poke sto fit into a team .

Oh... that rule isn't actually enforced xD;; we were just discussing this the other day actually, it should be taken off the OP...

I'm interested in seeing how they'll handle Star Wars. This also means that Star Wars will be in future Kingdom Hearts games, so bonus there.

Hmm... I feel like that'd be weird... It already feels awkward (to me) when he goes to like Tron world, so I wonder how Starwars would be... on the other hand, they already do space travel via Gummy Ship so it might be easy to incorporate hmmm...

______

Also, as opposed to what I said earlier, I likely wont be able to get on PO tonight either, too much Halloween stuff going on. sorry! Dx

[That Crazy Russian™]

252 Atk Mamoswine (+Atk) Ice Shard vs 0 HP/0 Def Latios: 57.81% - 68.77% (2 hits to KO)

Assuming adamant Mamo, which isn't usually standard on a sash set. Mamo needs the speed

Plus, I'm looking for a sure-fire counter


And no, Disney will ruin it. Although George Lucas already went ahead and ruined it with the terrible prequel trilogy

double switch into chansey, then into focus sash weavile? idk haha.

well, the first one was good....2 and 3 sucked badly....what will 7 even be about?

[Eliteknight]

Your House: Tourmaline
Opponent's House: Emerald
Opponent's Name: Sparkbeat
Win/Loss/Draw + Score: WIN 5-0
Rate your performance out of 50: 40
Rate opponent's performance out of 50: 35
Any improvements for opponent:
Any thing else worth mentioning?: TMS VS TEAM MAGIC; Played very badly the first part of the battle ended up pulling though thanks to a set up sweeper

[Prohawk]

yes, i know what makes a pokemon broken, etc -.- and i know how the suspect tests work, etc.

Seriously?? Because I would not believe that.

i dont believe i stated it was, arguing against all three getting even a suspect test. i was just saying that its only threatening set, imo, is the nasty plot set.

the only on that can possibly have any brokenness, needing a suspect test, is thunderus-t, maybe.

I'll just leave that there. I know you said possibly, I was just saying it's not even slightly broken

i hope not as well. but, thats how it goes. yes, it can run anything, but in percent abundance(chemistry ftw), like, 90% are scarf sets, unless your really high on the ladder. and even then....

Even then...what?? But yes, about 90% of them are Scarf sets, that doesn't mean it's not broken there. With the movepool it gets along with stats/ability/typing, it's just a monster in the right hands

i just find this not true. its basically the new suicide lead, and i find it very underwhelming. sure, you get everything set up. then deo dies, and hazards are spun away. it almost always sets hazards correctly, but again, it needs 4, sometimes 5 turns to set them up safely( sr, +2-3 layers of spikes + taunt). i just, impo, dont feel it broken at all.

Ladder more/higher. Yes Dexoys-D is pretty much a suicide lead, but it guarantees at least 1 layer of hazards up. Red Card/Taunt can be run to avoid being set up fodder. Fire Gem + HP Fire I mentioned. Electric Gem + Tbolt to beat Starmie. Superpower to beat Ttar. Magic Coat to beat opposing hazard leads and taunts. Skill Swap to troll over Magic Bouncers. Rocky Helmet to mess up Physical Attackers. Tanga Berry to give it another chance at Gene/Scizor. If you seriously don't think Dexoys-D doesn't deserve a test ban at least, you're not playing enough/good enough opponents

[mcdanger]

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3676090
this was an epic battle, i played to conservatively which was why i lost :L

[Prohawk]

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3676090
this was an epic battle, i played to conservatively which was why i lost :L

That was pretty good, but yes, playing conservatively pretty much wrecked you. Not to mention the horrible weakness to water and rain teams. His walls kinda stomped all over you until Latias came in, but it was a bit late then. Also I actually called the turn that you critted Skarm. Apparently he did too because he Roosted haha. Still with only 14% recoil from BB, it didn't really matter either

[That Crazy Russian™]

Seriously?? Because I would not believe that.

id rather not start something on my second day, especially against such a prominent member.

I'll just leave that there. I know you said possibly, I was just saying it's not even slightly broken

i also said "maybe"

Even then...what?? But yes, about 90% of them are Scarf sets, that doesn't mean it's not broken there. With the movepool it gets along with stats/ability/typing, it's just a monster in the right hands

well, anything is a monster in the right hands. just a point, but latios. its so threatening, and as weve been trying to list hard counters to latios, and failed miserably. also, every one of them requires a certain situation in place to be effective, be it rain up, or moveset changes, or whatever. but latios doesnt get a suspect test, even though nothing can switch into it safely.

Ladder more/higher.

now, see, i would, but i suck at battling.

Yes Dexoys-D is pretty much a suicide lead, but it guarantees at least 1 layer of hazards up. Red Card/Taunt can be run to avoid being set up fodder. Fire Gem + HP Fire I mentioned. Electric Gem + Tbolt to beat Starmie. Superpower to beat Ttar. Magic Coat to beat opposing hazard leads and taunts. Skill Swap to troll over Magic Bouncers. Rocky Helmet to mess up Physical Attackers. Tanga Berry to give it another chance at Gene/Scizor. If you seriously don't think Dexoys-D doesn't deserve a test ban at least, you're not playing enough/good enough opponents

the problem with that is, it ha item slot syndrome, and moveslot syndrome. anti-meta, nyet? well, abomasnow has the same problem, and can take out a lot of what deo-d can, bar genesect and scizor, and even then, they cant switch in safely.

pokemon is a very situational game, as a good friend taught me by beating it into the masses.

[Prohawk]

well, anything is a monster in the right hands. just a point, but latios. its so threatening, and as weve been trying to list hard counters to latios, and failed miserably. also, every one of them requires a certain situation in place to be effective, be it rain up, or moveset changes, or whatever. but latios doesnt get a suspect test, even though nothing can switch into it safely.

People actually did call for a suspect test at the beginning of BW and it was deemed to not be broken without it's Soul Dew and with Ttar being literally everywhere. I believe that Tornadus-T, Dexoys-D and Gene deserve at least a suspect test before declaring the meta completed. In fact, I reckon BW2 screwed up the meta, give me back my BW1

the problem with that is, it ha item slot syndrome, and moveslot syndrome. anti-meta, nyet? well, abomasnow has the same problem, and can take out a lot of what deo-d can, bar genesect and scizor, and even then, they cant switch in safely.

pokemon is a very situational game, as a good friend taught me by beating it into the masses.

The only reason Abomasnow is used in OU is for it's ability. Do not compare something with such terrible typing, weaknesses and stats to something like Gene. That's like comparing Apples and Roller coasters

Yes it is, but you'll note that there are some people who do consistently well and others who will only do well occasionally. Good playing>everything else (except luck, broken stuff and being incredibly out-teamed) in pokemon

now, see, i would, but i suck at battling.

And this is pretty much the 'no longer need to listen to anything you say ever about competitive battling ever' quote

[Psilo]

And this is pretty much the 'no longer need to listen to anything you say ever about competitive battling ever' quote

That's a bit harsh. There's a difference between someone who's actually a bad battler and a good battler who simply let's preconceived notions they have of themselves get in the way of their performance. I'd label dark lord as the latter. One can have a good grasp on the metagame without winning every battle for various reasons.

[Ghosts of the Forums]

Of course you may join, welcome on board



Oh... that rule isn't actually enforced xD;; we were just discussing this the other day actually, it should be taken off the OP...



Hmm... I feel like that'd be weird... It already feels awkward (to me) when he goes to like Tron world, so I wonder how Starwars would be... on the other hand, they already do space travel via Gummy Ship so it might be easy to incorporate hmmm...

______

Also, as opposed to what I said earlier, I likely wont be able to get on PO tonight either, too much Halloween stuff going on. sorry! Dx

if we arent enforcing that, can i be moved to the umm.... fourth gen... division i forget the name but would love to have a garchomp rank.



and hey klaus, didnt know you were here. what happened to your clan?

[Prohawk]

That's a bit harsh. There's a difference between someone who's actually a bad battler and a good battler who simply let's preconceived notions they have of themselves get in the way of their performance. I'd label dark lord as the latter. One can have a good grasp on the metagame without winning every battle for various reasons.

A good grasp, yes. Trying to argue points for pokes being/not being broken when he doesn't ladder/ladder high enough to see the pokes being abused, no.

There is a reason why there are voting requirements on PS for people to vote on Suspects

In my experience, people who don't battle much usually aren't as good as they would want to believe. Honestly you can theory-mon all day, but actually doing battles is a far better way of learning about the metagame (not aimed specifically at Dark, just in general)

[That Crazy Russian™]

Tornadus-T

thunderus-t

, Dexoys-D and Gene deserve at least a suspect test before declaring the meta completed.

i dont agree. but lets agree to disagree here, so we don't end up hating each other for both us seeming like complete douches to each other.

In fact, I reckon BW2 screwed up the meta, give me back my BW1

know datfeel, but the same situation happened when b/w first came out as well, as you suddenly had the genies, shadow tag chandy, new dw abilities, reuniculus, and the brand new ferrothorn running amok. it happens whenever something new happens, and i guarantee the same thing happening in gen 6.

The only reason Abomasnow is used in OU is for it's ability. Do not compare something with such terrible typing, weaknesses and stats to something like Gene. That's like comparing Apples and Roller coasters

this was merely a comparisn to abomasnow and deoxys-d's "anti-metaness." i feel youre looking to in depth at these things.

Yes it is, but you'll note that there are some people who do consistently well and others who will only do well occasionally. Good playing>everything else (except luck, broken stuff and being incredibly out-teamed) in pokemon

thats very correct. but just because a pokemon is a great anti-lead (see deoxys-d), that doesnt necessarily constitute a suspect test, especially on a suicide lead, where you basically are already down 1 pokemon that could have been useful.

And this is pretty much the 'no longer need to listen to anything you say ever about competitive battling ever' quote

:/ battling and theorymonning are two different creatures. for all you know, i could just be a sad, low self-esteem kid whos actually good at battling. but im not. i like to think of myself as average at best. you have never battled me, so you honestly have no right to judge whether what i say has any competitive value. but again, i dont want to start something.

@Prohawk's second statement

i actually battled fairly actively, but dont anymore due to reasons i dont particularly feel like going into. pretty much all my theorymonning comes from my experience as a battler. i occasionally battle, if i get time(cant wait til college. screw schoolwork) just so i can keep up with the metagame.

laddering high doesnt necessarily mean you are good. look at theebay jk, lol. but yeah, you might be better. or you might just be lucky.

@GoTF, before you haha. lets just say, it hasnt gotten off its feet at all, and after 2 months, i doubt it ever will.

[Voice Of The Forest]

if we arent enforcing that, can i be moved to the umm.... fourth gen... division i forget the name but would love to have a garchomp rank.



and hey klaus, didnt know you were here. what happened to your clan?

Citrine and it would take you months to get that rank also did this for fun found it quite funny

252SpAtk Choice Specs Turboblaze Reshiram (+SAtk) Overheat in Sun vs 0HP/0SpDef Leftovers lvl 1 Paras (-SpDef): 1074690% - 1264363% (118216 - 139080 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

[Ghosts of the Forums]

hey, i'm making an ho team with terra/chomp as my core? suggestions?