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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    Oh and maybe you are right flygon needs hazard support .. on the other side.
    Especially if you are switching in stuff like weavile, chandlure, arcanine (stuff which fall to stealth rock) when you use u-turn
    Suicune also 3-4 HKO flygon with scald so.. you need to beware.
    Plus the burn ruins flygon. Actually most stat contitions badly affect it: burn ruins its physical moves, paralysis (from stuff like glare) causes speed drops, which is bad. Poison lowers the amount of times you can use a life orb, whilst chipping at its health, though most have a choice scarf. Speaking of which, the choice lock can ruin flygon, as an outrage can mean that it is a lure to steel types, but, it isn't all bad, as then you can switch to arcanine or chandlure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philzone View Post
    the choice lock can ruin flygon, as an outrage can mean that it is a lure to steel types, but, it isn't all bad, as then you can switch to arcanine or chandlure.
    You can have those steel counters all you want, but flygon probably isn't going to wbe making it out alive for the simple reason that it is forced into at least one turn of outrage after a switch...that is plenty of time for something like bronzong(who tends to run hidden power ice & earthquake at times) to do the damage to flygon, predict the switch(if flygon even survives) then ko the fire type of you're choice with an easy earthquake...see the problems now?

    Flygon is strong, but not strong enough... Bulky, but not bulky enough...Fast, but not fast enough...it's just almost good enough, but it just plain lacks something important in every aspect
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalCrow View Post
    You can have those steel counters all you want, but flygon probably isn't going to wbe making it out alive for the simple reason that it is forced into at least one turn of outrage after a switch...that is plenty of time for something like bronzong(who tends to run hidden power ice & earthquake at times) to do the damage to flygon, predict the switch(if flygon even survives) then ko the fire type of you're choice with an easy earthquake...see the problems now?
    Flygon is strong, but not strong enough... Bulky, but not bulky enough...Fast, but not fast enough...it's just almost good enough, but it just plain lacks something important in every aspect
    Air balloon? And the fire type should OHKO the steel type. Anyway, you could opt for dragon claw instead of outrage, but you are exchanging raw power for not being destroyed by steels (if you are not running a choice item). Plus, the thing it lacks is probably dragon dance, or a suitable stat boosting move (hone claws and that is about it). Flygon is kind of the middle pokemon
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    Quote Originally Posted by philzone View Post
    Air balloon? And the fire type should OHKO the steel type. Anyway, you could opt for dragon claw instead of outrage, but you are exchanging raw power for not being destroyed by steels (if you are not running a choice item). Plus, the thing it lacks is probably dragon dance, or a suitable stat boosting move (hone claws and that is about it). Flygon is kind of the middle pokemon
    You're missing the point...the steel type could just switch out to avoid the inevitable fire attack...there's plenty of uu or lower pokemon who could sponge those weak fire blasts or a decently strong outrage or earthquake...plenty of them


    Interestingly, the best way to deal with a flygon is probably with another flygon...it 4x resists fire attacks & is immune to earthquake, so you have a 50/50 shot at switching in and taking little-to-no damage whatsoever...a quick scarfed outrage to the face is an ohko too
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalCrow View Post
    You're missing the point...the steel type could just switch out to avoid the inevitable fire attack...there's plenty of uu or lower pokemon who could sponge those weak fire blasts or a decently strong outrage or earthquake...plenty of them


    Interestingly, the best way to deal with a flygon is probably with another flygon...it 4x resists fire attacks & is immune to earthquake, so you have a 50/50 shot at switching in and taking little-to-no damage whatsoever...a quick scarfed outrage to the face is an ohko too
    Wrong. It only has a 2x resistance to fire, just like garchomp, and also, choice scarf could be used on both of the flygons, so its a tie. Also, you have air balloon rhyperioy, which can come out with avalanche, if switched into a choice locked earthquake or fire punch. It seems air balloon could be a counter, as then you resist one of its stabs.

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    Flygon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 164 Atk / 252 SAtk / 92 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Draco Meteor
    - Fire Blast
    - Earthquake
    - U-turn/Roost

    I used to use this Flygon set, a while back. It's a mixed offesive set, which can counter Volt-turn pretty well. Fire Blast lets it knock down steels, especially Scizor and Skarmory. Earthquake lets it take down other steels, and some that may think it's a special Flygon, such as Jirachi. Draco Meteor is it's dragon STAB, hitting a lot for good damage. U-turn lets it switch out, regaining its special attack, but Roost lets it recover its HP. It depends on whether you want it to live longer or not.

    The speed EVs lets it outspeed Dragonite and other base 80s. The rest goes into Special Attack, with the spare into Attack. It wasn't great, but the use of having a mixed attacker was great, because things like Blissey might switch in on an Earthquake. It wouldn't KO, but it would take out a good chunck of damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbeller View Post
    Flygon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 164 Atk / 252 SAtk / 92 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Draco Meteor
    - Fire Blast
    - Earthquake
    - U-turn/Roost

    I used to use this Flygon set, a while back. It's a mixed offesive set, which can counter Volt-turn pretty well. Fire Blast lets it knock down steels, especially Scizor and Skarmory. Earthquake lets it take down other steels, and some that may think it's a special Flygon, such as Jirachi. Draco Meteor is it's dragon STAB, hitting a lot for good damage. U-turn lets it switch out, regaining its special attack, but Roost lets it recover its HP. It depends on whether you want it to live longer or not.

    The speed EVs lets it outspeed Dragonite and other base 80s. The rest goes into Special Attack, with the spare into Attack. It wasn't great, but the use of having a mixed attacker was great, because things like Blissey might switch in on an Earthquake. It wouldn't KO, but it would take out a good chunck of damage.
    Instead of draco meteor and earthquake, use outrage and earth power, because outrage may not be stronger, but it doesn't lose the any stats, though the raw power is good. Try a white herb for draco meteor, or go for dragon pulse, as you lose less sp att. Earth power, because most steels have higher def stats than sp def stats (on average). Use u-turn for the voltswitch combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philzone View Post
    Instead of draco meteor and earthquake, use outrage and earth power, because outrage may not be stronger, but it doesn't lose the any stats, though the raw power is good. Try a white herb for draco meteor, or go for dragon pulse, as you lose less sp att. Earth power, because most steels have higher def stats than sp def stats (on average). Use u-turn for the voltswitch combo.
    U-turn is so he can hit and switch out, then comeback with no stat drops, besides if earth power is used, blissey makes you look stupid since you don't have a physical STAB. Don't remember how much damage Flygon's U-turn does to 252 hp/ 252 de blissy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duranteater View Post
    U-turn is so he can hit and switch out, then comeback with no stat drops, besides if earth power is used, blissey makes you look stupid since you don't have a physical STAB. Don't remember how much damage Flygon's U-turn does to 252 hp/ 252 de blissy.
    if you looked carefully, I said earth power AND outrage, so you had a different, stronger STAB physical move. (with only one resistance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by philzone View Post
    if you looked carefully, I said earth power AND outrage, so you had a different, stronger STAB physical move. (with only one resistance)
    Draco Meteor is a bit better than outrage with 252 EV's placed in sp att, so outrage wasn't a really good option for the set as 164 EV's in attack may not hit hard as Draco Meteor but still has power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by philzone View Post
    Wrong. It only has a 2x resistance to fire, just like garchomp, and also, choice scarf could be used on both of the flygons, so its a tie. Also, you have air balloon rhyperioy, which can come out with avalanche, if switched into a choice locked earthquake or fire punch. It seems air balloon could be a counter, as then you resist one of its stabs.
    Have you ever even used a rhyperior before? None of them run avalanche due to issues with coverage...it's not good enough to just resist one of flygon's attacks, because there is always the chance that it is running a life orb, and imo not very many flygons run a scarf in the current metagame, most run a choice band, even so, i'd rather take an attack from a choice locked fire punch or earthquake with my scarf flygon...hey, i'd even be crazy enough to bet on a speed tie if i were trying to revenge kill

    Also...is ground type neutral to fire? I always thought it was resistant to fire
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    Man coming up with good puns for this week is hard.

    ''Got Sand in your eye?''
    ''Harmony''
    "Lord of the Flies"-even though its a dragon
    "The Desert Spirit"
    "Bugeyes"
    "Sanddevil"
    "Dirtdevil"
    "Snap-dragonfly" -Alice in Wonderland reference
    "Mirage"

    for Trapinch

    "In a Pinch"

    ugh...I'm going to cry myself to sleep now.
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