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    Since there are threads for Keldeo and Genesect, this should be allowed.

    Meloetta is a unique Pokemon in that it can only change forme in battle; by default, it is in its Aria Forme, in which it is Normal / Psychic type. When it uses its signature move, Relic Song, it changes into its Pirouette forme. It reverts back to its Aria Forme when switched out.

    Ability
    Serene Grace: Not a bad ability, but Meloetta could have had a better one. It most notably gives Relic Song a 20% chance of putting the target to sleep, but that's still pretty low.

    Stats
    Aria Forme

    HP: 100
    Atk: 77
    Def: 77
    Sp. Atk: 128
    Sp. Def: 128
    Speed: 90

    Pirouette Forme

    HP: 100
    Atk: 128
    Def: 90
    Sp. Atk: 77
    Sp. Def: 77
    Speed: 128

    Meloetta also has an extensive movepool. Usable competitive move include:

    Relic Song
    Return
    Hidden Power
    Work Up
    Close Combat
    Focus Blast
    Psychic
    Psyshock
    Shadow Ball
    Shadow Claw
    Acrobatics
    Stone Edge
    Thunderbolt
    Thunder


    Here's a sample set:

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    EVs: 128 Atk / 128 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd
    Nature: Timid
    - Relic Song
    - Psychic
    - Close Combat
    - Work Up

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    I think Meloetta would be used more as a sweeper than anything else.

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    I honestly don't know how Meloetta will do. Maybe I'm missing something but when I take a look at its stats and movepool, nothing really sticks out to me as outstanding. I feel it will be outclassed and be plagued by its abysmal defense and lackluster speed. I wouldn't be surprised at the moment for it to land in UU. Seems to me like Alakazam will outclass it with its superior speed + spA. Meloetta might be able to pull of decent support sets, but with the lack of reliable recovery and its terrible defense stat it won't find itself around for long. The only way to change it form would be using a fairly weak and bad typing STAB move in Relic Song, which just takes up a space in its movepool, which is just another downside for it.

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    In Pirouette Form, she has the stats to be a Physical sweeper but is hard since Relic Song is needed to activate

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    Meloetta just screams Aria Forme. Pirouette Forme is too gimmicky, since you need to waste a turn using Relic Song. I see Meloetta being used as a CM tank.


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    Quote Originally Posted by x_vandslaux_x View Post
    Meloetta just screams Aria Forme. Pirouette Forme is too gimmicky, since you need to waste a turn using Relic Song. I see Meloetta being used as a CM tank.
    If I had to make guesses, the only use that Relic Song will have is that it will keep her from being completely checked by Steel types and TTar w/o having to rely on Focus Miss.

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    My biggest draw to meloetta is being able to change which defense you want to take a hit with (assuming you're faster than the opponent)
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    I could see Meloetta fitting right in on a VoltTurn team as a nice lead with the following moves:
    Relic Song
    Close Combat
    Psychic
    U-Turn

    Relic Song removes the Dark- and Bug-type weaknesses (effectively reversing them at the cost of adding Fighting-, Psychic- and Flying-type weaknesses), adds a Rock-type resistance, boosts CC with raw Attack power and STAB. Using U-Turn will then come off of Pirouette Forme's higher Speed to wipe out the stat reductions, allow for a switch to a teammate and also reset Meloetta back to her Aria Forme. Her EVs for this set-up would proably be 128 Atk / 128 Sp. Atk / 252 Spe
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    I think it will be OU. The problem with Meloetta is that it just can't do what it needs to. And what I mean by that is that, you HAVE to waste a turn basically setting up the Relic Song, and then you get very low defenses, to take an attack; and then if you hopefully live you'll get to hit with Psycho Cut / Close Combat / Shadow Claw(or Return).

    It's just not that much coverage. If it were like Gallade hitting all over the place that'd be different.
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    Aria forme isn't too unique and the Pirouette forme requires Relic Song. A mixed set utilizing changing formes seems too risky. OU at best, UU at worst.
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    Meloetta looks like it could easily fit in the OU tier considering it's passable speed and above-average Sp. Attack (regarding Aria forme). So this looks pleasing as it can easily outspeed threats like Haxorus or Hydreigon; any OU pokemon with high speed. I'm mainly focused on it's options for support on this one.
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    if you can get into pirquette form without taking much damage, your opponent is ****ed. Meloetta is basically both a stronger Gardevoir and Terrakion
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyjoe5000 View Post
    Meloetta is basically both a stronger Gardevoir and Terrakion
    Maybe so, but Gardevoir is in either NU or RU, and Terrakion outclasses Meloetta because it doesn't need an attack to change forms.


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    no one is looking at it's defensive prowess. max speed, and invest the rest into hp, def, and spdef, it could be a monster on stall teams
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soperman View Post
    Maybe so, but Gardevoir is in either NU or RU, and Terrakion outclasses Meloetta because it doesn't need an attack to change forms.
    but because of it's great sp. def in Aria form, it can easily change against special attackers, then set up for a sweep
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    I want to try a mixed set of

    Relic Song
    Close Combat
    Psyshock
    U-Turn

    You have the freedom to either break through a Physical wall's lower SpDef or a Special Wall's lower Def and with entry hazard support they won't wanna switch out as much to handle the form change,

    Like they have Blissey out, you use Relic song to get STAB CC, they need to switch out, but you have stealth rocks spikes and toxic spikes out, they risk losing someone either way, the switch-in has to be able to take a close combat after all the damage, or they leave blissey in to get hit hard and try to stall out CC's PP and if things go sour, like they switch to a ghost you can U-turn out. (if you predict right, you can psyshock them when they predict your relic song and switch to a ghost).

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    Considering the only way to transofmr her into her Fight/Normal form is to use a crappy move first, I doubt this pokemon will be that useful. Until more word comeso ut as to how we can transform her, she'll be subpar. Relic song makes her too good for UU but it isn't good enough for OU.

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    I know it is a low chance, but Relic Song has a 20% chance of sleep (factoring Serene Grace)

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    I have to agree with what someone said earlier in that once it sets up, Meloetta will devastate an opponent. I say this just because I've used Pirouette form to great success in DW OU on Smogon.

    Its Pirouette form, once it gets to that form, is very hard to beat; in fact, the only way to beat it once it gets to that form is to have something either scarfed (such as Terrakion or Hydreigon) or something naturally faster than it (which in OU is somewhat scarce). If you don't have either of those, Meloetta will have a field day with your opponent's team (and I have turned the tide of battle several times in the Pirouette form).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDSchley View Post
    Considering the only way to transofmr her into her Fight/Normal form is to use a crappy move first, I doubt this pokemon will be that useful. Until more word comeso ut as to how we can transform her, she'll be subpar. Relic song makes her too good for UU but it isn't good enough for OU.

    Need an item that auto-transforms her...
    A move with 107 BP coming from a base 128 sp.attack (facturing STAB) is crappy?


    I used the CM set in DW OU and I must admit it is an amazing set meloetta lost a resistance for an immuny the normal type then is not that bad only in the piroette form it is a bad one though...

    Give meloetta zen headbutt Nuff said (Jirachi got his signature Iron Head by move tutors!) meloetta should too

    imagine it a base 128 speed serene grace pokemon with a flinching move well... we got shaymin-S it would be Shaymin-S 2.

    Also meloetta is one of few psychic types who can avoid being a pursuit bait scizor, tyranitar ? change to fighting form, hippowdon? slowbro change to psychic form.

    Meloettas stats make it an exelent wall breaker.

    Most meloetta which include changing types sets will have shadow ball/claw , close combat, relic song, Psychic/ a move tutor move.


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    I think Meloetta will end up in UU because of its lack of defenses and Relic songs low accuracy.




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    Step Forme gets really high attack and STAB Quick Attack, and with having Serene Grace, the move it uses to change forms (Relic Song) will have a 20% chance of putting the target to sleep. I'm thinking a moveset with Relic Song, Quick Attack, Close Combat and Shadow Claw(to hit Ghosts) would be a pretty decent set, for late-game anyways. maybe Hone Claws over Shadow Claw if you're not worried about Ghosts and want a stronger priority in Quick Attack. UU at worst i think. more likely to be BL though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatjeremykid View Post
    Step Forme gets really high attack and STAB Quick Attack, and with having Serene Grace, the move it uses to change forms (Relic Song) will have a 20% chance of putting the target to sleep. I'm thinking a moveset with Relic Song, Quick Attack, Close Combat and Shadow Claw(to hit Ghosts) would be a pretty decent set, for late-game anyways. maybe Hone Claws over Shadow Claw if you're not worried about Ghosts and want a stronger priority in Quick Attack. UU at worst i think. more likely to be BL though.
    If there was a way we could put it automatically into Step Forme, I think Meloetta would be much more effective. Instead of having to waste a moveslot, and a turn.
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    I definitely agree with that. it does waste a slot, but being able to change forms (and types) in the middle of a battle is pretty nifty imo
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    I think it will be in the Ou tier. This is because of the sweeping abilities that the Aria forme has. The piroutte forme is a bit rubbish compared to it.
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