Anyway I'm not expecting it to happen just pointing out that I think the idea is cool.
Anyway I'm not expecting it to happen just pointing out that I think the idea is cool.
But yeah it would make sense that at the very least the original would be weaker than the modified form.
I'm guess an alternate form....or rather a different species (I'll get to this in a moment), wouldn't have made very much sense. Because Genosect exists as it is because of Team Plasma, it's first Pokémon that technically (in the games) would have had a MAJOR link to the evil organization, however it was an event Pokémon, and N decided against Genosect, caused it all to not receive a lot of attention.
BUT I can see why 6th gen would include a Pokémon, where Genesect could be the origin of and not 5th gen.
We don't know everything that happened with Genosect, and the "fossil" they used or whatever weird modifications were done, it's possible this "fossil" was very rare, and found in a different location (I.E. Not Unova) but the fossil could've been found in 6th gen region and brought to Unova, because that's where Team Plasma was founded and existed. And it was Team Plasma that "created" Genesect.
Genesect is it's own Pokémon. Like Mewtwo is it's own Pokémon.
Original form Genesect could be an entirely different Pokémon. Just like Mew. And it makes sense.
If you were to take Kabutops (for example), modify it so it's robotic in nature, and energy wave abilities to its scythes, and made it capable of creating an energy shield it uses to protect from attacks, modify it even further, and perhaps even changing type, clearly this new modification would have to be classified as it's own Pokémon, it would still be based off of Kabutops but would be it's own Pokémon.
Hell Scyther evolves into Scizor, even though they have the same BST, as if Scizor is merely some side evolution or alternate form, but it's still a different Pokémon, classified as a different Pokémon to Scyther. I will always disagree with Scyther and Scizor having the same BST. At least Shedinja's lower BST makes sense.
It just hit me. Forget the tinfoil hat; it's time to put on the tinfoil armor.
-6th Genesect is missing
-"Gene 6 Gene 6, Genesect 6 is in Generation 6."
Okay I admit that's a bad pun that probably doesn't mean anything.
Bob, while I admire your Keen Eye, I don't think the number of broken tubes in the P2 Lab means anything. Pretty much anything could've be in them, like preservatives, super-formulas, Fanta, anything. Also, it might be me, but Genesect seems a bit too big for them.
And if the Pokémon Genesect used to be DOES appear in Gen VI, it would probably be a fossil Pokémon or (at best) a psuedo legendary (or both).
Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."
Okay I admit I never really expected the five to appear in the movie, and joked about them being lost forever while having different colors that matched the Sages (Red Genesect = Rood, normal one = Zinzolin).
Hope you dont mind me saying I disagree, but I think them having the same BST is perfectly valid.
Its Scyther with armour on, so the stats reflect that, less speed, more defence, whats wrong with that?
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Shedinja makes sense because it's a "shed skin" version of Ninjask, like probably somewhere between Nincada and Ninjask something like that, so it can be considered an evolution of Nincada, but because of the whole 1 HP think it makes sense why Shedinja has a lower BST than Nincada.
That can be said about Scizor, it can be slower, but it still should have a higher BST than Scyther. Even if it would only be 5 points it still should've been higher.
But I don't really care because this is Genesect we're talking about. It's origin version could easily be the same BST or even lower, perhaps even higher, if it has a different ability, or whatever it would have to be different.
This would be an actual form, of an event Pokemon. It's like saying introduce Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl, have a movie on the Sky version but don't release Skymin in the games until B/W. That's pointless. If normal Genesect was going to appear in this movie, they'd have to promote it somehow in the games. And as we know, 5th gen is almost over. There will be no more main 5th gen games until the inevitable remakes in 10 years time.
Original Genesect could simply be a separate species altogether, released separately from the altered Genesect in a way similar to how Regigigas was separated from the Regi Trio by a generation.
Since you mention Shaymin, that was the middle movie, not the last one. If theyd really wanted, the Shaymin film could have been the last Sinnoh one. Im with you, I dont wholeheartedly want them to introduce the original Genesect, but I dont feel its a bad shout because its at least relevant. Besides.....
No more Genesect please, I've had enough of that god darn face! Now when are we getting this Meloetta in an event?
Damn these things never read out right :P
But I guess they'd be no more Genesect than five, because that's probs just for each drive. ANd I've noticed.... Five genesects, (last movie) of the Fifth Gen...
I was surprised that anybdy posted this. Last Thursday I went to 2ch to know new frmation about the VA list and I found the scan of CoroCoro where the magazine hints what they are going to release the next month. I can't post the image now but I'm sure that the magazine hints a new pokemn in the movie.
Apparently, the new star of the movie will be release in Febraury. And furthermore, that star will appear in the opening in the screenshots from older episodes of the opening.
It's going to be a new pokemon. Gen VI is confirmed, after all.
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One of these Spoilers has a very Hot Chick hidden. One has Yaoi. And one will eat your Soul. Choose at your own risk~
Spoiler:- Number 1:
Spoiler:- Number 2:
Spoiler:- Number 3:
Edit: Was this it?
It's not like all of the non-secret major stars have always been revealed prior to the secret new Pokemon or anything...
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This movie is focused around Genesect, any other "Star" that's not related to Genesect, would detract from the point of this movie.
And I don't really like the idea of a Pokémon starring just because it's a 6th generation Pokémon nor would I like a human protagonist to have said Pokémon.
So I don't see a Lucario, Manaphy, Zorua/Zoroark role. If there's something 6th generation related it's going to have a similar role of one of the main character's non important Pokémon. Meaning sure said 6th generation Pokémon can be useful have quite a few scenes, I guess, but the movie isn't going to revolve around said Pokémon. It's not likely to be included in the movie.
I strongly believe this to be the case, because any "special, aka Next Generation Pokémon" to have a huge starring role, would've been already revealed and included in the movie (considering all the information we already have). It wouldn't already be so focused on Genesect, and again if it's not related to Genesect, it wouldn't be getting so much attention as in an opposing role to Genesect in importance.
Now it if it's Genesect's unmodified form, then only in that instance could be in an opposing role to Genesect. Oh any by "opposing role" I mean of equal importance to the movie.
It can't be a Lucario, Zorua/Zoroark, it just wouldn't make sense given the known context of the film. Unless again it was Genesect's unmodified form.
However I can't discount the possibility that maybe there could be a Pokémon related to Genesect in the same vein as Seviper/Zangoose, or Durant/Heatmor, should that be a possibility then it would make sense in the context of the film. However while that might make sense, you would have to include both an unmodified form of Genesect, as well as the rivalry related Pokémon. I just don't see that happening. Plus it might kind of leap to assume there is some kind of Rivalry type related Pokémon. Since what we can assume about Genesect's unmodified form, it had many different types "prey" and focusing on one of them, just doesn't make much sense to me.
Now a more of non prey rivalry as in Seviper and Zangoose (as opposed to Durant/Heatmor) could be possible. But I still find it unlikely.
We'll just have to see.
We may only get a Munchlax type role, if any next generation Pokémon will be in the movie.
Edit: There seems to be something weird. Now the big scan is working for me.
Try opening it from the blog I found it in. Maybe it's some cookie thing. I know at least Pixiv can give errors if you try to directly access an image without clicking on it from a proper page.
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Let's assume 1st generation and 2nd generation are two different generations even if they are part of the same series, so the Orange League is part of 1st generation and the Johto League is by itself.
1st Movie- Mewtwo and Mew
Last Movie- Lugia
1st Movie- "Entei".....
Last Movie- Latios and Latias
1st Movie- Jirachi
Last Movie- Manaphy
1st Movie- Darkrai
Last Movie- Zorua/Zoroark
In the last movie in 4th generation THAT had a 5th generation Pokémon, the first trailer, was merely about Ash facing Ash. And I assume that could've been what happened in the other generations. That the first trailer assuming said star wasn't already revealed, had nothing to do with the main Pokémon (aka the next generation Pokémon).
It wasn't until AFTER Zorua/Zoroark were revealed, that we actually got a trailer heavily involved with said Pokémon.
That's what I mean, the 1st trailer ALREADY focuses on so much on Genesect, that there is no way it can revolve around a non related to Genesect 6th generation Pokémon.
IF IT DID, what I'm saying is said Pokémon would had to already been revealed, to get the same content as we did in Genesect Movie's first trailer.
This is the first transition period between generations where the last movie, ends with being the last event Pokémon of the previous current generation.
The last 5th generation Pokémon movie, revolves around the last 5th generation Pokémon.
This is a new one. But still don't see some random 6th generation Pokémon being so important that it diverts attention from Genesect.
There is a reason why the other last generation movies, had big next gen Pokémon, that's because there was a gracing period of year, from the last generation Pokémon to the new generation.
So that's what I meant. The trailer focuses so much on Genesect already from the 1st trailer, not in the techno blaster firing at Ash while he dodges (who's firing at Ash), but any human character in the 1st trailer is relegated to a very minor role, while a Pokémon this time is getting a lot of focus.
There was nothing to indicate a hidden Pokémon, at least of the like of Lucario/Zorua/Zoroark.
This is a first, yes, BUT I still don't see anything diverting attention from Genesect, which would happen with a 6th generation Lucario/Zorua/Zoroark, again it has to be about Genesect, in some way. Or like I said a starring not related to Genesect 6th generation Pokémon would not make ANY sense, and would only be included for the sake of including it.