Movie 16 - ExtremeSpeed Genesect & The Awakening of Mewtwo - FIRST DETAILS

[JD]

I'm actually really excited about this movie.. the last few movies in the anime I actually cared about are the Zoroark movie and the Giratina movie besides those ones they were all pretty boring especially the last two. Also, I hope they handle the battle between Mewtwo and Genesect well the last decent battle in any Pokemon movie was Deoxys vs Rayquaza in my opinion.

[Bushido Bob]

It's confirmed to be Castelia? I'm unsure i haven't seen anything saying so yet.

Castelia is based off of New York, and this new location is based off New York. It won't surprise me if it's the same place. In fact i'd prefer if it was Castelia.

The city is known as "Pokemon Hills" or something like that. Castelia is merely based on southern Manhattan, and not the setting of the movie.

Mewtwo was the first cloned Pokemon which successfully survived after Mew's DNA was replicated and altered. Mewtwo has earned the title of being the "greatest pokemon" as it was mentioned in Movie 1, and the special episode "The Mirage Master." Taking this in to account, and Mewtwo's superior qualities I think it's clear who'd win, Mewtwo by a landslide.
I'm not trying to demeanour Genesect in anyway, surely he is a powerful Pokemon. However, I just feel Pokemon are overpowering newer Pokemon just to appeal to the children. Mewtwo is also playing a prominent figure in the movie alongside Genesect, but his role is yet to be confirmed.

Mewtwo lost its title a long, long time ago when things became murky with Lugia and Ho-Oh. It's not even going to be close to winning in a landslide against Red Genesect either, as CoroCoro has hyped it up as so powerful only Mewtwo can "stand up to it."

[Haunter227]

The city is known as "Pokemon Hills" or something like that. Castelia is merely based on southern Manhattan, and not the setting of the movie.

Ah fair enough.

As for merely being based on southern manhatten... that is essentially in New York so yeah.

Mewtwo lost its title a long, long time ago when things became murky with Lugia and Ho-Oh.

I can agree to this, although personally i'd like to think it's only weaker than Arceus.

It's not even going to be close to winning in a landslide against Red Genesect either, as CoroCoro has hyped it up as so powerful only Mewtwo can "stand up to it."

It'll be interesting to see their strengths, but i doubt it'll be noticeable. They'll both be on par just like Rayquaza and Deoxys, or Dialga and Palkia. However, there's a possibilitity at the end that Mewtwo's power will overwhelm Genesect and the good guy wins etc.

[Pokemaniac24]

Does anyone think there will be a human antagonist in this film or do you think the antagonist will be Genesect for the whole movie?

[AuraChannelerChris]

Does anyone think there will be a human antagonist in this film or do you think the antagonist will be Genesect for the whole movie?

Since the Keldeo movie had no evil human villain, I'm guessing there's none of that here either, unless there's a final promotional poster.

[Bushido Bob]

Does anyone think there will be a human antagonist in this film or do you think the antagonist will be Genesect for the whole movie?

The Genesect Rangers seem like they'll be the antagonists. Having a human enemy at this point would just feel tacked on.

[The Great Butler]

The city is known as "Pokemon Hills" or something like that. Castelia is merely based on southern Manhattan, and not the setting of the movie.

Pokemon Hills is only the Central Park-like area in the city. We don't know the name of the actual city yet.

[Kutie Pie]

Does anyone think there will be a human antagonist in this film or do you think the antagonist will be Genesect for the whole movie?

I can see the antagonist being the creator of the Genesect. Yeah, not all Pokémon movies have human antagonists (e.g. Destiny Deoxys), but I can't really see the five Genesect being the only antagonistic force in the movie. So they're just escaped genetic Bug/Steel Pokémon, but then again, we don't know what their motives are. Mewtwo at least had a motive, and was threatening. I can't really see these Genesect being that threatening, even with Red Genesect having Extremespeed.

So we'll just have to wait and see.

Also, as it's on my mind right this moment, I wonder what scenes in the teaser trailer will not appear in the final film. When do they start releasing teaser trailers? Is it due to appear sometime in the next couple of months?

[Pokemaniac24]

Yeah, not all Pokémon movies have human antagonists (e.g. Pokémon 2000, Destiny Deoxys),

Pokémon 2000 had Lawrence III. I think the only Pokémon movie not to have human antagonists were Movie 1, Movie 7, Movie 8, Movie 10, and Movie 15.

[Kutie Pie]

Pokémon 2000 had Lawrence III. I think the only Pokémon movie not to have human antagonists were Movie 1, Movie 7, Movie 8, Movie 10, and Movie 15.

Yeah, I caught my mistake there, I kinda forgot about him xP. He inadvertently started the whole shebang after all. Like I found it interesting Molly was the antagonist of the third movie, whether she was aware of it or not, and I think that makes her a rather interesting one-shot character because of such. I was also thinking of the eighth movie, but for whatever reason I was thinking of Kid and how she at first was apparent at capturing Mew when it was more-or-less for study.

But this thread isn't about them.

So, there has to be a reason why the Genesect are attacking this specific place in the movie, whether it's out of revenge, hunting instinct, or just for the evulz. I'm also thinking that if the Genesect didn't escape the lab, they were ordered to attack this place, but for whatever reason is probably up for grabs. Either way, there has to be a driving force for this movie, and it involves the Genesect being the catalyst.

[Bushido Bob]

So, there has to be a reason why the Genesect are attacking this specific place in the movie, whether it's out of revenge, hunting instinct, or just for the evulz. I'm also thinking that if the Genesect didn't escape the lab, they were ordered to attack this place, but for whatever reason is probably up for grabs. Either way, there has to be a driving force for this movie, and it involves the Genesect being the catalyst.

They saw the city skyline and thought "Ooh, shiny. Let's go there!" I honestly have no real idea why they could be there. It's pretty much confirmed they did escape the lab based on it being in ruins, and Plasma's plot will be long gone by the movie so that's out of the question.

...Maybe they can somehow sense Mewtwo?

[lolipiece]

Well, the reason why they're in not-New York is obvious. What is the best location for prehistoric monsters to attack? A city.

So, there has to be a reason why the Genesect are attacking this specific place in the movie, whether it's out of revenge, hunting instinct, or just for the evulz. I'm also thinking that if the Genesect didn't escape the lab, they were ordered to attack this place, but for whatever reason is probably up for grabs. Either way, there has to be a driving force for this movie, and it involves the Genesect being the catalyst.

Maybe it's just the first place they saw after escaping the P2 Lab?

[pokemonsquared]

Wel they are attacking New Pokeyork because Ash just happens to be there at the moment so he can put an end of it all. Just imagine if the Geneesects decided to go the other way at the beginning and Ash and co just had a nice and relaxing stint in new pokeyork city...

[spikyearedpichu]

If the Mewtwo from the movie is the same one from the first movie I want to see the clones here too if not at least get mention...not forgotten or abandoned by Mewtwo!!

[Spin Attaxx]

Does anyone think there will be a human antagonist in this film or do you think the antagonist will be Genesect for the whole movie?

If another bland human comes up and acts in a way that screams "I'm only here so Genesect can't be evil", I'd want the animé to die out. I'd want the animé to suffer a HUGE fall on the Sonic '06 scale.

But yeah, I'm sure that Genesect (specifically "Sec") will be the main villain.

[Pinsirius]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about Mewtwo's being underutilized in the movie; of course his story is over and it's Genesect's movie, I'm just afraid Best Wishes "reboot logic" is going to cheapen Mewtwo in some way. Considering Ash pulls out his Pokedex on things like Koffing, Corphish, and Buizel, despite his history with them, says a lot about OLM's priorities; and considering Mewtwo is really the only character in the series to have something resembling a character arc and that Ash was a key part of it, I see good reason to be scared that Mewtwo will be treated with a similar distance. Which would defeat the entire purpose of reintroducing him, because the only reason to bring him back at all is a nostalgia grab; if the writers have to ignore that nostalgia to fit with the new Ash, then it's a squandered opportunity.

We'll have to wait and see.

[Hero of Ideals]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about Mewtwo's being underutilized in the movie; of course his story is over and it's Genesect's movie, I'm just afraid Best Wishes "reboot logic" is going to cheapen Mewtwo in some way. Considering Ash pulls out his Pokedex on things like Koffing, Corphish, and Buizel, despite his history with them, says a lot about OLM's priorities; and considering Mewtwo is really the only character in the series to have something resembling a character arc and that Ash was a key part of it, I see good reason to be scared that Mewtwo will be treated with a similar distance. Which would defeat the entire purpose of reintroducing him, because the only reason to bring him back at all is a nostalgia grab; if the writers have to ignore that nostalgia to fit with the new Ash, then it's a squandered opportunity.

We'll have to wait and see.

*Crashes to keyboard*

Best Wishes isn't a reboot and people really shouldn't take the Dexing seriously.

[Haunter227]

*Crashes to keyboard*

Best Wishes isn't a reboot and people really shouldn't take the Dexing seriously.

No, Pinsirius makes a good point.

The writers could very well ruin Mewtwo's character here. Ash's Best Wishes Character compared to his Kanto Character are VERY different, with many drastic changes. The same can be said about the Indigo League Series and the Best Wishes Series in general. So many things are treated differently nowadays, unfortunately Mewtwo could very well be caught inbetween this too if not done right.

I have faith in the writers this one time seeing as Mewtwo is returning. I have faith that the story will be good enough and that Mewtwo will still be an incredible character, but only time will tell until i actually see the film in 10+ months time.

[Lucas MV]

No, Pinsirius makes a good point.

The writers could very well ruin Mewtwo's character here. Ash's Best Wishes Character compared to his Kanto Character are VERY different, with many drastic changes. The same can be said about the Indigo League Series and the Best Wishes Series in general. So many things are treated differently nowadays, unfortunately Mewtwo could very well be caught inbetween this too if not done right.

I have faith in the writers this one time seeing as Mewtwo is returning. I have faith that the story will be good enough and that Mewtwo will still be an incredible character, but only time will tell until i actually see the film in 10+ months time.

Doesn't it airs on July?
Anyway, I think the writers won't ruin Mewtwo's character by ignoring his past and/or Ash influence in it. Dexing a Koffing, Corphish, Buizel, Mareep and every pokemon he meet although he had seen them before is only because of the newer audience and we all know that. Although it would be good if Ash only said: "Oh look, a (insert pokemon name here)" and then dex the pokemon, instead of looking it as if he never saw one before.
However, that's different from this. As we know the episode where Ash's Charizard returns, will have some flashbacks to their past together. I think Mewtwo will have a similar kind of treatment in this movie. Maybe they'll show some flashbacks maybe not but Ash will definitely remember Mewtwo.

Some other scans for the movie, not much new anyway:
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org3966250.jpg
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org3966183.jpg
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org3966185.jpg
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org3966186.jpg

It would be great if someone can translate these, especially the first and the last ones.

[Haunter227]

Doesn't it airs on July?

Yeah but it'll most likely air in December 2013 for the Dub.

I watch the Japanese Raw Anime, but i never manage to see the Movies (mainly because i can't find them, i managed to watch Movie 14 in Japanese one time).