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    Where are the receipts for this supposed new Mewtwo form? Because until something is confirmed, I refuse to believe rumors. And no, I don't buy that PokeBeach stuff because the very first "information leak" didn't mention the names; it wasn't until the second supposed leak that we got less than a day ago that we learned the English names. I'm surprised that people are taking unconfirmed and unreliable information so seriously to be honest. I always assumed concrete, official information was preferable to rumors. :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunter227 View Post
    The article mentioned the names of the new Pokemon.
    I didn't see them. At least not Fletchling, Gogoat etc.

    Who's saying a second new forme will be in the movie?
    What's the point of showing off one forme in the flick and turning a blind eye to the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    So what would the point of another Mewtwo forme be in the plot?
    I took a look at Deoxys in its Normal Forme, and then its Speed Forme. Deoxys sacrifices good Attack and Special Attack stats for higher speed. So if this is also the case for Mewtwo unless stated otherwise, then Mewtwo would have no choice but to get a new forme for better attack, unless the new forme keeps the speed stat...

    Yeah I have no idea what I'm talking about :/. But that's what came to my mind when I read that sentence, outside of an obvious DragonBall Z reference/joke.

    But Haunter may be right in that a second forme would be version exclusive, much like Kyurem's formes in Black/White 2. Which makes me think the sixteenth movie will turn into movie fourteen... oh God, that better not be the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    I didn't see them. At least not Fletchling, Gogoat etc.
    They did, i'll look for the receipts again.

    What's the point of showing off one forme in the flick and turning a blind eye to the other?
    Remember Deoxy's Speed Forme in Movie 7?...

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    Oh yeah, it was just a coincidence the English names where all right -_-

    And weren't people already suspicious when the files for Mewtwo came out labeled mewtwoX.jpg or something along those lines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutie Pie View Post
    I took a look at Deoxys in its Normal Forme, and then its Speed Forme. Deoxys sacrifices good Attack and Special Attack stats for higher speed. So if this is also the case for Mewtwo unless stated otherwise, then Mewtwo would have no choice but to get a new forme for better attack, unless the new forme keeps the speed stat...
    Deoxys had a excuse for the Speed Forme not showing up in M07 - the thing didn't even exist yet. And if the manga's anything to go by, Kid Two will be at least faster than normal Mewtwo. And who says Mewtwo has no choice for an attack forme? It's not like he even needs it.
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    I'm gonna stop speculating now until more hints come along, but I definetly want another Mewtwo Forme simply because it could be better than this first forme and do some justice. Another forme isn't going to hurt anything anymore since we've already had one new forme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    Oh yeah, it was just a coincidence the English names where all right
    Probably, although technically the supposed source got Pancham's name wrong; they called it "Panchum." Hence why I don't really believe that this is insider info.

    Anyway, this movie seems kinda reductive even if Mewtwo doesn't get a second new form. I just looked through the comic scans and a lot of scenes were reminiscent of those from not only the Deoxys movie, but from a few others as well. I really thought the plot would improve because the movies have always had great storylines, but so far, the plot seems tacked on in this movie. The whole thing seems to revolve around action scenes like Mewtwo vs. Genesect and while action is always good, it seems too prominent in this movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    nd who says Mewtwo has no choice for an attack forme? It's not like he even needs it.
    I'm not saying he could need an Attack Forme (I don't want any other formes, honestly, I'm sick of formes), but Mewtwo has good Attack stat for being a Psychic type, so if it's like with Deoxys and his new forme cuts down attack for speed, then he would need another alternative to back it up.

    But I'm not someone to go to when it comes to these things, all I'm good for is making external observations, and that's what came to mind. Of course, if Mewtwo is "incomplete" and thus this forme is "complete", then perhaps I have nothing to worry about, and even then anime =/= games, so this is just going to get waved off as silly speculation. Which is fine by me, frankly.
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    Is Mew confirmed for the movie by anychance? I see Mew's tail on the new Mewtwo's head. Mewtwo also used many attacks. Could they have merged?

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    It's possible they're using one Mewtwo form for the movie and saving the other for the anime, possibly to be used in a closer adaptation of whatever story the games has to go with the new forms. Or there is no second form and we dun been trolled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a cat View Post
    Is Mew confirmed for the movie by anychance? I see Mew's tail on the new Mewtwo's head. Mewtwo also used many attacks. Could they have merged?
    I see no reason for a fusion. BW Kyurem was planned to be a fusion since Zek, resh, and kyu were all once the same dragon. However, I think we'll see a glimpse of Mew somewhere. He was in Returns for like 3 seconds so it could happen again. Maybe in the credits or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunter227 View Post
    Remember Deoxy's Speed Forme in Movie 7?...
    Deoxys's Speed Forme didn't exist when that movie came out.

    As for this whole Mewtwo thing, I'm not saying anything until we learn more besides that it is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    Deoxys's Speed Forme didn't exist when that movie came out.

    As for this whole Mewtwo thing, I'm not saying anything until we learn more besides that it is possible.
    So?

    The fact is a featured Pokemons forme didn't appear.

    The same could happen in this movie.

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    Don't care about this rumor until it's confirmed, I'll be surprised if another Mewtwo forme is revealed though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunter227 View Post
    So?

    The fact is a featured Pokemons forme didn't appear.

    The same could happen in this movie.
    How could a Forme that did not exist at the time of the movie's release be included in the movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    How could a Forme that did not exist at the time of the movie's release be included in the movie?
    You're not getting the message.

    The point is, a form didn't appear in a movie regardless.

    There's no reason another new forme HAS to be in the movie.

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    I don't honestly see the point in Mewtwo getting two formes for (one for X and one for Y) X and Y
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    Mewtwo vs Genosect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunter227 View Post
    You're not getting the message.

    The point is, a form didn't appear in a movie regardless.
    And there's a message you're not getting, too.

    Speed Forme did not exist at the time the movie was made. Tell me how they could have included something in the movie that did not exist at the time? It's like saying that the new Forme of Mewtwo was simply left out of the first movie because the writers chose to not use it.

    There's no reason another new forme HAS to be in the movie.
    Marketing. Pushing one Mewtwo forme over another is an asinine marketing decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunter227 View Post
    I'm gonna stop speculating now until more hints come along, but I definetly want another Mewtwo Forme simply because it could be better than this first forme and do some justice. Another forme isn't going to hurt anything anymore since we've already had one new forme.
    This I agree with. I'm not gonna stop speculating (in general, I'm literally exhausted atm), but another Mewtwo forme could clarify some stuff. I already despise GF for giving Mewtwo a forme, it can't get any worse by adding another, whether it bombs or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    Speed Forme did not exist at the time the movie was made. Tell me how they could have included something in the movie that did not exist at the time?
    Speed Forme's silhouette was revealed on the same day as Movie 7's premiere. It could have easily been included in the movie as a pre-cursor to Emerald, as has been the case with several Formes since then.

    That said, it isn't too late to reveal a second Mewtwo Forme in time for the movie. But there is reason to believe that WPM's source may have sent him a combination of real and false information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein View Post
    Speed Forme's silhouette was revealed on the same day as Movie 7's premiere. It could have easily been included in the movie as a pre-cursor to Emerald, as has been the case with several Formes since then.

    That said, it isn't too late to reveal a second Mewtwo Forme in time for the movie. But there is reason to believe that WPM's source may have sent him a combination of real and false information.
    People still listen to WPM for news? This is the same guy who begged the anime storyboard director back in 2008 like 3 times to bring Misty back into the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    People still listen to WPM for news? This is the same guy who begged the anime storyboard director back in 2008 like 3 times to bring Misty back into the series.
    But really we're listening to the source, it's just through PokéBeach we are doing so.

    There is always the chance it's just a simple form that doesn't contribute much to the movie.

    Also, ever thought they are hiding it as a SUPRISE?! I know people think Pokémon reveals everything before the movie, but there is always the chance they are hiding that (and another Eeveelution for the short in my mind) until people actually go watch them and THEN reveal them officially.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    And there's a message you're not getting, too.
    No, I completely understand the situation.

    I'm saying there's no reason why another forme has to be in the Movie.

    We've already had Mewtwo in Movie 1 and Deoxys in Movie 7 not reveal a forme (Yes, despite not existing) so there's no reason to automatically assume if there is another new forme it will be in the movie.

    Speed Forme did not exist at the time the movie was made. Tell me how they could have included something in the movie that did not exist at the time? It's like saying that the new Forme of Mewtwo was simply left out of the first movie because the writers chose to not use it.
    Read above.

    Marketing. Pushing one Mewtwo forme over another is an asinine marketing decision.
    Ah, marketing. Every serebii user's answer to why something is happening in the anime.

    The writers don't always include special things such as legendaries into movies (remember Ho-Oh, Uxie, Azelf, Mesprit, Cresselia and Meloetta's huge roles in the movies?) - Mewtwo Forme2 could easily be in the anime instead.

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    Hear me out Butler.

    I'm not saying a new forme is happening, i'm not saying a new forme isn't happening.

    I'm not saying a new forme won't be in the movie, but i'm not saying a new forme will be in the movie either.

    I'm just stating things how they are and could happen. Everything is 50/50, and i'm just not a fan of people treating everything like it's solid fact will happen. It seems like only yesterday masses of people were telling me Mewtwo would NEVER appear in Movie 16.

    EDIT: Oh, and I do actually want another forme simply because yes i don't mind Mewtwo X at the moment, but it's not amazing and any other forme can only do justice as-well as develop Mewtwo that little bit more.
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