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Thread: Movie 16 - ExtremeSpeed Genesect & The Awakening of Mewtwo - FIRST DETAILS

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    The Genesect's home is the mountain range/snowy area where they originally start rampaging. New Tork City is nearby to the mountain range and the buildings remind them of the pillars of their original home which is why they start attacking, because they want to turn the city back into their homeland.

    Mewtwo runs into them and finds out about their backstory, and how they were engineered by Team Plasma. Mewtwo tries to show them the way to cope with modern life but Extremespeed Genesect just won't take his s*** and go on with the original plan.

    Ash and the others obviously get mixed into the conflict and it's basically Everyone VS Genesect Army until Douse Genesect ends up getting hurt/killed in the conflict and the Extremespeed Genesect learns the errors of his ways. Ash and Mewtwo go on with their plan and take them to a paradise where they can call home.

    And that is basically my take on the entire movie.

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    Wait, so I was right about the Genesect's home being somewhere else then? 'Cause I brought up that argument a few months ago but people were saying that New Tork City was the Genesect's old home and I believed them, and now it sounds like it's just a place that they want to convert into their new home. It's even weirder now because the motivation for their invasion of the city seems really weak. I mean in retrospect it would've made more sense for New Tork City to have been their original home imo. Now I'm starting to believe that Mr. Yuyama has lost his magic. I sincerely believe that his storytelling skills are slipping; the plot of this movie makes no sense to me. :c

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    Could we maybe at least wait until someone somewhere has actually seen the movie before we start trying to criticize it in detail? I mean, really.


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    Is it already out in Japan?

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    The first showing literally just finished, lol.

    Edit: Well, as far as I know.

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    This movie is animated beautifully. New Torque City is breathtaking and looks so realistic. It resembles NYC a lot, and I like how there's even a brief scene in Times Square. If you look at every window in some scenes you'll see that the interiors are all different. Nice attention to detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honeyichigo View Post
    Could we maybe at least wait until someone somewhere has actually seen the movie before we start trying to criticize it in detail? I mean, really.
    Don't we literally know 99% of the movies story line by now tho? I think its safe to criticize its lack of coherent plot because its kind of a big deal when a movie doesn't make sense to the audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty-Skitty View Post
    Don't we literally know 99% of the movies story line by now tho? I think its safe to criticize its lack of coherent plot because its kind of a big deal when a movie doesn't make sense to the audience.
    No? A movie is more than what the previews and summaries give us. We still don't even know how everything is resolved.
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    So Ash ends up not even knowing what Pokemon Mewtwo is.....well done writers *sarcasm*

    So basically, the first trailers lied, the director lied, and this Mewtwo accidentally killed its creators unlike the original Mewtwo, and its confirmed a girl.

    I am so disappointed with the Best Wishes saga as a whole. This movie was supposed to redeem the saga but it did nothing but make me hate the writers entirely. It's not only bad writing, but this movie basically says M01 and Mewtwo Retirns don't exist anymore and the events that took place didn't really happened. They gave a big middle finger to anyone who is a fan of the original Mewtwo.

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    Exactly!
    After reading Pokebeach's plot summary of the Genesect vs Mewtwo... why Pokemon anime? Why?*
    It contradicts the Johto special (Ash doesn't even remember the original), the fight ends in a weak tie just to avoid a winner (and they can't stop themselves from falling apparently), and the new Mewtwo's background is like a bad third photocopy of the first Mewtwo's background. The ideas of the movie also seem weak compared to the first movie.
    Considering this is a criticism based on a summary of the movie, it may be a little bit off. But from that, it sounds disappointing.

    This, tied in with the main character's general ineptness and bad writing in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honeyichigo View Post
    Could we maybe at least wait until someone somewhere has actually seen the movie before we start trying to criticize it in detail? I mean, really.
    Yea, I'm agreeing with you fully on this. I say it's better to wait then to judge it if we haven't even seen it for ourselves yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty-Skitty View Post
    Don't we literally know 99% of the movies story line by now tho? I think its safe to criticize its lack of coherent plot because its kind of a big deal when a movie doesn't make sense to the audience.
    Pretty much. The only part that we don't know is the conclusion of the movie, but it's not like I expect for Mewtwo's backstory to be revealed at the very end. And like I said before, it makes little sense for the Genesect to want to take over New Tork City, and my feeling about that won't change even when the movie's conclusion is revealed.

    On a slightly lighter note, the scenes where Mewtwo and Genesect were fighting in the city at night reminded me of something out of Godzilla. It looked really good.

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    I'm glad I'm forcing myself to see it as the real Mewtwo, because based on that summary WPM gave, if you treat it as a separate Mewtwo I would call this the worst of all sixteen movies.

    Mewtwo Q's backstory is not given beyond that it accidentally blew up the lab and killed its creators. Everything else seems to match the manga. The conclusion is that Mewtwo Q drags Red Genesect into space and they fall unconscious, then wake up and see the sun rising over Earth, leading them both to realize that they have a place in the world. They then get rescued from falling by the other Genesect and the Pokemon Hills Pokemon; this is where Charizard and Dragonite appear.

    In the end the Genesect stay in New Tork City, but Mewtwo Q leaves and watches over the city. Yes, Mewtwo Q even has the exact same ending the real Mewtwo had.
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    SO Mewtwo being hit by a thunderstorm and then transforming give me a hunch Awakening form is Psychic / Electric type!!

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    So there's no epic conclusion to Mewtwo vs. Genesect? They just see the sun and settle their differences? Geez, I'm kind of glad that this isn't the same Mewtwo now because that ending would have been a whole lot worse if he was involved. I just don't like how much hype the battle received only for it to end with a preachy/cutesy moment. :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    The conclusion is that Mewtwo Q drags Red Genesect into space and they fall unconscious, then wake up and see the sun rising over Earth, leading them both to realize that they have a place in the world. They then get rescued from falling by the other Genesect and the Pokemon Hills Pokemon; this is where Charizard and Dragonite appear.
    WOW at the bolded part.

    Well what the hell did it think would happen? It went however-many-Gs up to space, so of course they would pass out from it. That's stupid. If they wanted a sunrise, why not take Red Genesect elsewhere instead of risking brain damage from it?

    Anti-climatic much? Why am I surprised at this? Of course they wouldn't have a philosophical discussion with these writers.

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    Genesect and Mewtwo hold hands? And watch the sunset apparently I wasn't expecting that I thought they would have went into outer space in order to finish their fight.

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    So does this make Returns non-canon?

    And I still want to see this outer space scene. Sounds beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    Genesect and Mewtwo hold hands? And watch the sunset apparently I wasn't expecting that I thought they would have went into outer space in order to finish their fight.
    Sounds like a cheesy ending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    So does this make Returns non-canon?

    And I still want to see this outer space scene. Sounds beautiful.
    No, we just make-believe that this movie never happened.

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    So...there's only one Mewtwo.

    Judging by the summary, there's only one, at least in this canon.

    That's nice, thank you director, for butchering and killing everything known as Mewtwo, scrubbing the first one out of existence, and then creating a brand new one, with a similar background only different because not the same one.

    Great job. Now, I can't watch this movie at all, was going to, but I just can't any more. It's just not worth it. But I guess if the actual tv series is having problems with writing, why should I expect anything different than a Pokemon movie that takes place during the best wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    So...there's only one Mewtwo.

    Judging by the summary, there's only one, at least in this canon.

    That's nice, thank you director, for butchering and killing everything known as Mewtwo, scrubbing the first one out of existence, and then creating a brand new one, with a similar background only different because not the same one.
    So the writers wants us to belive that the Mewtwo from M01 don't exist, so they can prove that this New Mewtwo is the only one in the anime canon ? That's just stupid.
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    I love how the writers' explanation for the second Mewtwo is that the first one is non-existent. Is anyone seriously dumb enough to fall for that? The kids are well aware of the original Mewtwo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    So...there's only one Mewtwo.

    Judging by the summary, there's only one, at least in this canon.
    They are in no way erasing the existence of the old Mewtwo.

    The rest I won't even bother.

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