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    So I've seen.

    I'm honestly only sticking around to see if this thing crashes and burns (and if it does, how big it'll be).
    Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
    Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."
    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diakyu View Post
    That was probably a trailer only scene, and was never intended to be in the movie. In the actual movie it is much different with mewtwo in its other form. They probably just needed someone to say what Mewtwo was and they chose Ash to do it. Plus that scene was also only in the trailers until the new mewtwo form was revealed. Scenes changed for the movie happens all the time.
    Well, if Mewtwo was in its other forme, it was no wonder Ash didn't know what the hell it was >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightFennekin View Post
    Well, if Mewtwo was in its other forme, it was no wonder Ash didn't know what the hell it was >.>
    As has been mentioned several times, Mewtwo was in its original form during the conversation, and Ash had not noticed the Forme due to time being slowed down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein View Post
    As has been mentioned several times, Mewtwo was in its original form during the conversation, and Ash had not noticed the Forme due to time being slowed down.
    The other guy said... ugh, forget it, I only came for the new forme.

    But it's possible Ash knew it was impossible to have another Mewtwo, hence he thought it must've been something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightFennekin View Post
    WTF!?! I'm sticking up for Ash?!? But I hate Ash!?!
    No one asked you to. :P

    If it wasn't for the first Mewtwo nor it's continuity this movie seems fine - and that's what the writer/directer intended but why? Idk, it seems like they don't care for continuity as much as fans or just didn't want to touch it (Mewtwo) for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash&Pikachu-Fan View Post
    If it wasn't for the first Mewtwo nor it's continuity this movie seems fine - and that's what the writer/directer intended but why? Idk, it seems like they don't care for continuity as much as fans or just didn't want to touch it (Mewtwo) for some reason.
    Yeah I think that's the case. They were afraid of ruining Mewtwo, so they decided to make a new one instead.

    It would have worked if they'd have explained who, how and why created the new Mewtwo.
    And, more importantly, if they hadn't retcon the original Mewtwo.

    But, they didn't. And that's the problem.

    Another thing, did they explained why this Mewtwo has an alternate form? If not... that's another big mistake.

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    Updated translation of Sonoda's twitter conversation, because I'm a shitlord:

    @tomorin0326: If this different individual is a different individual, who created it and how?
    @sonodahideki: Bothersome. Watch your mouth
    @tomorin0326: To be frank, I did not think you were looking at this! But yeah, as a first generation Mewtwo fan, I'm just curious/anxious! Because I like Mewtwo!
    @sonodahideki: Compliments are fine. Praise.
    Still doesn't sound any less condescending though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satoshi View Post
    Updated translation of Sonoda's twitter conversation, because I'm a shitlord:



    Still doesn't sound any less condescending though.
    Wow, that's a huge leap from your original translation. Sounds more disrespectful. Why did he react that way though? Isn't it better to be silent? :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Wow, that's a huge leap from your original translation. Sounds more disrespectful. Why did he react that way though? Isn't it better to be silent? :x
    I'm going to sleep soon, so I only skimmed Tomorin's twitter, but this came up:

    そういえばツイッターで園田さんと絡んだの初めてな気がする

    "Come to think of it, it feels like that was the first time I picked a fight with Sonoda-san on Twitter."

    https://twitter.com/tomorin0326/stat...08787076308992

    It also seems like Sonoda is one of his followers. He may or may not know Sonoda - as a person who uses Twitter, people tend to follow back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein View Post
    Hideki Sonoda, the scriptwriter of the movie, was asked about the creation of the second Mewtwo. Here's the translation courtesy of Satoshi (FANG-TAN):



    This speaks volumes. Tomorin asked a completely acceptable question and was scolded for being rude, with no answer being given.


    The movie contradicts the prologue and fails to reference it in any way.
    So basically, someone asked a relevant question, something that many of us were wondering, and they were scolded for it? Gee, it's nice to know that our questions are valued. Seriously, that's lame. We want to know why a second Mewtwo was created and how, yet we as fans are being treated like we're being pesky for asking.

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    By that logic, if someone were to just genetically enhance Mew's Dragon type capabilities, out pops a humanoid purple Mew and not just a normal Mew with more powerful Dragon moves.
    The scope of their goals was " Make a Mew, but stronger " in both the original group and this group's case. If that's their aim they'll probably be looking to enhance the same things with marginal difference. Since they're just enhancing Mew they produce Mewtwo.

    So I guess they'd produce a Mewtwo that naturally knows Dragon Pulse; a move it normally cannot learn, in your scenario.

    Except, as I've told you, there is no indication that the scientists knew of the old one's existance.
    They wouldn't need to.

    They're not trying to make a Pokemon in Mewtwo's image. They're making a stronger Mew.

    Show me scientific proof that all Japanese children are mindless sheep who are 100% incapable of noticing glaring continuity screwups.
    You can probably just Google children and memory and pull up some reading material. The general consensus is that children as young as 2 could form memories about things they've seen and experienced, but their ability to recall those memories fade as they grow older. That extends to other aspects of their mental development. Their ability to understand a story, notice inconsistencies, and make their own decisions also improves with age.

    That's why children's programs fall into a predictable routine. It may be silly to adults to have to explain how things in this particular universe works every episode, but children are more forgetful. We even see colors of that in Pokemon where Ash feels the need to dex Pokemon he clearly has seen and interacted with before. It's not for his in-universe benefit. It's for the benefit of the young audience who might not have seen a Koffing (a particularly infamous example) before.

    Also "get over it". Elitist, much?
    I'm more a realist.

    A lot of people went into this with absurdly high expectations ... as if they haven't been watching this show for 14 years and we haven't been dissapointed by the current region at almost every turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An00bis View Post
    They wouldn't need to.

    They're not trying to make a Pokemon in Mewtwo's image. They're making a stronger Mew.
    Still doesn't explain how they made it look exactly like the old Mewtwo save for additional forme and female stuff. Nor does it explain how they named it exactly the same way.

    Going back to the analogy, I find it hard to believe that every "stronger Mew clone" results in a Mewtwo each and every time. That's like saying every time someone makes a bird bigger than a robin it always results in an eagle, instead of getting an albatross or hen or vulture.

    You can probably just Google children and memory and pull up some reading material. The general consensus is that children as young as 2 could form memories about things they've seen and experienced, but their ability to recall those memories fade as they grow older. That extends to other aspects of their mental development. Their ability to understand a story, notice inconsistencies, and make their own decisions also improves with age.

    That's why children's programs fall into a predictable routine. It may be silly to adults to have to explain how things in this particular universe works every episode, but children are more forgetful. We even see colors of that in Pokemon where Ash feels the need to dex Pokemon he clearly has seen and interacted with before. It's not for his in-universe benefit. It's for the benefit of the young audience who might not have seen a Koffing (a particularly infamous example) before.
    I'm sorry, but last I checked Pokémon was aimed at the 7-10 bracket, not 2 year olds.

    I'm more a realist.
    So are a lot of people here but they're not so condescending about it.

    A lot of people went into this with absurdly high expectations ... as if they haven't been watching this show for 14 years and we haven't been dissapointed by the current region at almost every turn.
    We were under the impression it would be THE Mewtwo. We believed that, having worked on the first movie, maybe Yuyama would make this a good follow-up on Mewtwo's story.

    We never thought he would disregard continuity and magic another one up.
    Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
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    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    So basically, someone asked a relevant question, something that many of us were wondering, and they were scolded for it? Gee, it's nice to know that our questions are valued. Seriously, that's lame. We want to know why a second Mewtwo was created and how, yet we as fans are being treated like we're being pesky for asking.
    No, that's just a biased way of looking at it. Disliking the Mewtwo debacle is okay, but interpreting a tweet just as we wish isn't a good thing. Let's give them a break. For all we know, Hideki wasn't even serious. His other tweets suggest that he's in high spirits, and obviously won't bother answering those questions now. He just carefully avoided it altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    He just carefully avoided it altogether.
    He didn't "carefully" avoid anything imo; if anything he made things worse. If he didn't want to reveal any information then that's fine, but he could have been classier about it. Instead he was condescending. It didn't seem like he was joking imo. It was like he took offense just because someone asked something that he couldn't answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    He didn't "carefully" avoid anything imo; if anything he made things worse. If he didn't want to reveal any information then that's fine, but he could have been classier about it. Instead he was condescending. It didn't seem like he was joking imo. It was like he took offense just because someone asked something that he couldn't answer.
    Yes, he made a mess by answering to that person, but what if they were acquaintances? I am not saying that his answer was not irresponsible, but I am saying that interpreting it as him insulting everyday fan is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An00bis View Post
    You can probably just Google children and memory and pull up some reading material. The general consensus is that children as young as 2 could form memories about things they've seen and experienced, but their ability to recall those memories fade as they grow older. That extends to other aspects of their mental development. Their ability to understand a story, notice inconsistencies, and make their own decisions also improves with age.
    Sadly, Lucario's movie raised the bar - and expectations - people had from the writers.
    I've said it before... People don't give kids enough credit. Use your own personal experience. Have you ever noticed inconsistencies that writers/movie developers tried to hide but you could blatantly tell were there? While the memories of children aren't as focused as adults, they aren't completely oblivious to everything, either. And with the recent airing of the 1st Movie and Returns in Japan, there's no doubt kids are at least questioning Mewtwo's voice change.

    Also, why 2 year olds...? Isn't the audience the anime is aiming for older than that? At least by several years.

    Goodness.

    I'm totally fine with 2 Mewtwo myself. That could open up some very interesting possibilities in the future, if the first Mewtwo ever encountered the forme-changer. Perhaps she could give him tips on how to further focus his battle prowess? It's not so much that a 2nd Mewtwo exists anymore... rather, it's the questioning of the canon that has rustled all the jimmies in this topic. There's a difference between leaving things ambiguous (did Neo die at the end of Matrix 3?), and extremely shallow writing skimming over things and leaving them unexplained.

    For once, I'm actually waiting to see where the dub goes. I seriously doubt it will add anything for clarification's sake, as they've been staying pretty true to translations and whatnot (as far as I know). But, you never know.



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    What next? Will I hear the target audience are 2 month old babies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Yes, he made a mess by answering to that person, but what if they were acquaintances? I am not saying that his answer was not irresponsible, but I am saying that interpreting it as him insulting everyday fan is wrong.
    How is it wrong? The fact that they know each other from a single Twitter exchange doesn't excuse the fact that Sonoda was extremely rude to someone (a 20 years old student who obviously doesn't know Sonoda in real life) who didn't even ask him a question. Tomorin didn't think that Sonoda would read the tweet, and he was naturally offended by the uncalled for response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein View Post
    How is it wrong? The fact that they know each other from a single Twitter exchange doesn't excuse the fact that Sonoda was extremely rude to someone (a 20 years old student who obviously doesn't know Sonoda in real life) who didn't even ask him a question. Tomorin didn't think that Sonoda would read the tweet, and he was naturally offended by the uncalled for response.
    Actually, I took a look at Tomorin's twitter profile, it's full of complains (acc to google translate) just like we do. I am guessing Sonoda was offended by the repeated comments.

    https://twitter.com/tomorin0326

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Actually, I took a look at Tomorin's twitter profile, it's full of complains (acc to google translate) just like we do. I am guessing Sonoda was offended by the repeated comments.
    I don't see anything like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Actually, I took a look at Tomorin's twitter profile, it's full of complains (acc to google translate) just like we do. I am guessing Sonoda was offended by the repeated comments.

    https://twitter.com/tomorin0326

    Tell me what you make of it...:x
    Well, who wouldn't be sick if the only thing people do in his/her account or in the Internet is complaining? Cut him some slack.

    On-topic, I really like Douse Genesect. By the summary she seems adorable and seems to be the only experiment to not have problems with humans. I can't wait to see her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein View Post
    I don't see anything like that.
    Well Google translate makes you see things lol.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Well Google translate makes you see things lol.....
    He didn't tweet Sonoda at all (except when he attacked him), nor did he say anything rude. No one forced Sonoda to read Tomorin's tweets, which aren't even that critical.

    Not to mention the fact that Sonoda chose to specifically reply to a completely acceptable question (which again, wasn't directed at him). By doing so, the people following Sonoda were given the impression that any plot-related question about the movie is a cause for ridicule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein View Post
    He didn't tweet Sonoda at all (except when he attacked him), nor did he say anything rude. No one forced Sonoda to read Tomorin's tweets, which aren't even that critical.

    Not to mention the fact that Sonoda chose to specifically reply to a completely acceptable question (which again, wasn't directed at him). By doing so, the people following Sonoda were given the impression that any plot-related question about the movie is a cause for ridicule.
    Either way he did a stupid thing by replying to that tweet lol. Why specifically answer that one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Actually, I took a look at Tomorin's twitter profile, it's full of complains (acc to google translate) just like we do. I am guessing Sonoda was offended by the repeated comments.

    https://twitter.com/tomorin0326

    Tell me what you make of it...:x
    Part of me wants to spam his Twitter account with questions about the movie just to see what his reaction would be. Just kidding, but it's very tempting because he might actually let something slip in his fit of frustration if people badger him enough.

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    On-topic, I really like Douse Genesect. By the summary she seems adorable and seems to be the only experiment to not have problems with humans. I can't wait to see her.
    Would someone be so kind as to remind me what "Douse Genesect" is? I've tried to keep up with the Genesect but there are like five of them and I can't tell them apart (the Shiny one being the obvious exception). I'm also wondering how a giant metallic Bug Pokemon like Genesect could be adorable; I personally find the species to be borderline creepy. :x

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