Movie 16 - ExtremeSpeed Genesect & The Awakening of Mewtwo - FIRST DETAILS

[Bushido Bob]

They can build it up, but if you don't watch the movie, people are going to be confused when it doesn't get any sort of conclusion in the tv series.

Which is why they're going to heavily advertise the movie as the conclusion to the plot. If someone is confused despite everything pointing towards the movie, then that's just their own fault.

[Haunter227]

Movie 1 was fine, the Genesect movie incorporated will the anime will be the exact same way. There won't be a problem with build ups and conclusions.

[d4rk_tailed]

In my opinion, it is becoming quite obvious the secret Gen 6 star may really be Original Genesect aka "Primisect".

We currently know of a group of five Genesects. Now take a look at the P2 Laboratory in the anime. How many broken tubes are there? Six, not five. There is still a 6th specimen unaccounted for...

The concept becomes even more obvious as the parallels between this movie and the first keep piling up. Directly connected to the normal anime? Check. Red Genesect is leading a group of lesser unnatural Pokemon? Check. The original, unmodified version comes in to challenge its modified counterpart...?

Sounds way too much for the writers to bother with. Like that idea quite a lot though.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

That would be cool though and they could just make it the number after Genosect, it would be number 0 like Victini in the next gen dex. still we don't know if the unmodified Genosect was a legendary.

[Wormow]

Yeah but why would they bother with another Genesect form that they'd have to add the data for in the 6th gen games?

If they were planning another Genesect form, we would have known by BW2.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Yeah but why would they bother with another Genesect form that they'd have to add the data for in the 6th gen games?

If they were planning another Genesect form, we would have known by BW2.

It wouldn't be a diferent form, it would be the original like Mew and Mewtwo but yeah I guess they could have added it in BW2 if they wanted it but they have never increased the dex number unless a new generation is introduced.

Anyway I'm not expecting it to happen just pointing out that I think the idea is cool.

[dman_dustin]

That would be cool though and they could just make it the number after Genosect, it would be number 0 like Victini in the next gen dex. still we don't know if the unmodified Genosect was a legendary.

I do expect maybe it would still have 600 BST, it's modification by Team Plasma could've decreased some of it's stats while increasing others to compensate, perhaps speed for example.

But yeah it would make sense that at the very least the original would be weaker than the modified form.

Yeah but why would they bother with another Genesect form that they'd have to add the data for in the 6th gen games?

If they were planning another Genesect form, we would have known by BW2.

Well Generation 6 is Generation 6, a new generation so they can do whatever they want.

I'm guess an alternate form....or rather a different species (I'll get to this in a moment), wouldn't have made very much sense. Because Genosect exists as it is because of Team Plasma, it's first Pokémon that technically (in the games) would have had a MAJOR link to the evil organization, however it was an event Pokémon, and N decided against Genosect, caused it all to not receive a lot of attention.

BUT I can see why 6th gen would include a Pokémon, where Genesect could be the origin of and not 5th gen.

We don't know everything that happened with Genosect, and the "fossil" they used or whatever weird modifications were done, it's possible this "fossil" was very rare, and found in a different location (I.E. Not Unova) but the fossil could've been found in 6th gen region and brought to Unova, because that's where Team Plasma was founded and existed. And it was Team Plasma that "created" Genesect.

It wouldn't be a diferent form, it would be the original like Mew and Mewtwo but yeah I guess they could have added it in BW2 if they wanted it but they have never increased the dex number unless a new generation is introduced.

This is what I mean.

Genesect is it's own Pokémon. Like Mewtwo is it's own Pokémon.

Original form Genesect could be an entirely different Pokémon. Just like Mew. And it makes sense.

If you were to take Kabutops (for example), modify it so it's robotic in nature, and energy wave abilities to its scythes, and made it capable of creating an energy shield it uses to protect from attacks, modify it even further, and perhaps even changing type, clearly this new modification would have to be classified as it's own Pokémon, it would still be based off of Kabutops but would be it's own Pokémon.

Hell Scyther evolves into Scizor, even though they have the same BST, as if Scizor is merely some side evolution or alternate form, but it's still a different Pokémon, classified as a different Pokémon to Scyther. I will always disagree with Scyther and Scizor having the same BST. At least Shedinja's lower BST makes sense.

[Bushido Bob]

It just hit me. Forget the tinfoil hat; it's time to put on the tinfoil armor.

-6th Genesect is missing
-Genesect 6
-Gene 6
-Generation 6
-"Gene 6 Gene 6, Genesect 6 is in Generation 6."

Okay I admit that's a bad pun that probably doesn't mean anything.

[Spin Attaxx]

Bob, while I admire your Keen Eye, I don't think the number of broken tubes in the P2 Lab means anything. Pretty much anything could've be in them, like preservatives, super-formulas, Fanta, anything. Also, it might be me, but Genesect seems a bit too big for them.

And if the Pokémon Genesect used to be DOES appear in Gen VI, it would probably be a fossil Pokémon or (at best) a psuedo legendary (or both).

[Bushido Bob]

Bob, while I admire your Keen Eye, I don't think the number of broken tubes in the P2 Lab means anything. Pretty much anything could've be in them, like preservatives, super-formulas, Fanta, anything. Also, it might be me, but Genesect seems a bit too big for them.

Many people ignored the tubes or said they meant nothing when we first saw the P2 Lab. Then the Genesect Rangers were revealed. Never say something that is a possible hint means nothing. Take in everything, then predict all foreseeable paths. Okay I admit I never really expected the five to appear in the movie, and joked about them being lost forever while having different colors that matched the Sages (Red Genesect = Rood, normal one = Zinzolin).

[d4rk_tailed]

Yeah but why would they bother with another Genesect form that they'd have to add the data for in the 6th gen games?

If they were planning another Genesect form, we would have known by BW2.

Think about Tangela, Chansey, Rhydon etc all getting new evolutions and pre-evolutions generations after they themselves were introduced. Genesect the organic animal being introduced one generation later isnt a massive gap.

I will always disagree with Scyther and Scizor having the same BST.

Wrong place for me to weigh in on this, but I will.

Hope you dont mind me saying I disagree, but I think them having the same BST is perfectly valid.

Its Scyther with armour on, so the stats reflect that, less speed, more defence, whats wrong with that?

[dman_dustin]

Wrong place for me to weigh in on this, but I will.

Hope you dont mind me saying I disagree, but I think them having the same BST is perfectly valid.

Its Scyther with armour on, so the stats reflect that, less speed, more defence, whats wrong with that?

It has the SAME BST, this isn't simply a form change this is an evolution. You can't evolve into something that's equal, that kind of defeats the purpose of evolving, lower or higher stats in things is moot, when you evolve you should get stronger.

Shedinja makes sense because it's a "shed skin" version of Ninjask, like probably somewhere between Nincada and Ninjask something like that, so it can be considered an evolution of Nincada, but because of the whole 1 HP think it makes sense why Shedinja has a lower BST than Nincada.

That can be said about Scizor, it can be slower, but it still should have a higher BST than Scyther. Even if it would only be 5 points it still should've been higher.

But I don't really care because this is Genesect we're talking about. It's origin version could easily be the same BST or even lower, perhaps even higher, if it has a different ability, or whatever it would have to be different.

[Wormow]

Think about Tangela, Chansey, Rhydon etc all getting new evolutions and pre-evolutions generations after they themselves were introduced. Genesect the organic animal being introduced one generation later isnt a massive gap.

That's not the same, those were actual evolutions of normal Pokemon.

This would be an actual form, of an event Pokemon. It's like saying introduce Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl, have a movie on the Sky version but don't release Skymin in the games until B/W. That's pointless. If normal Genesect was going to appear in this movie, they'd have to promote it somehow in the games. And as we know, 5th gen is almost over. There will be no more main 5th gen games until the inevitable remakes in 10 years time.

[The Great Butler]

Original Genesect could simply be a separate species altogether, released separately from the altered Genesect in a way similar to how Regigigas was separated from the Regi Trio by a generation.

[d4rk_tailed]

You can't evolve into something that's equal, that kind of defeats the purpose of evolving, lower or higher stats in things is moot, when you evolve you should get stronger.

Sorry to be cheeky, but Im pretty sure the humble chicken is a long time descendant of the Velociraptor Not sure thats a 'strengthening' evolution!

This would be an actual form, of an event Pokemon. It's like saying introduce Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl, have a movie on the Sky version but don't release Skymin in the games until B/W. That's pointless. If normal Genesect was going to appear in this movie, they'd have to promote it somehow in the games. And as we know, 5th gen is almost over. There will be no more main 5th gen games until the inevitable remakes in 10 years time.

Wouldnt that make it the ideal crossover Pokemon into the next generation though? Once the Gen 6 Pokedex is released, Gen 5 and Genesect are still going to be quite fresh.

Since you mention Shaymin, that was the middle movie, not the last one. If theyd really wanted, the Shaymin film could have been the last Sinnoh one. Im with you, I dont wholeheartedly want them to introduce the original Genesect, but I dont feel its a bad shout because its at least relevant. Besides.....

Original Genesect could simply be a separate species altogether, released separately from the altered Genesect in a way similar to how Regigigas was separated from the Regi Trio by a generation.

.....and therefore the gap between introducing Genesect and the original itself could be 1 generation, 2 generations, even three. Given Unovas remoteness from every other region, fossils being imported by criminal organisations for random experiments isnt too farfetched.

[MidnightFennekin]

No more Genesect please, I've had enough of that god darn face! Now when are we getting this Meloetta in an event?

[Demon Kitsune Yoko Kurama]

No more Genesect please, I've had enough of that god darn face! Now when are we getting this Meloetta in an event?

This is the thread for the movie about Genesect, so why would mention that? ._.

[MidnightFennekin]

This is the thread for the movie about Genesect, so why would mention that? ._.

Lol, I mean no more Genesect than five in the movie, more would be overkill :P

Damn these things never read out right :P

But I guess they'd be no more Genesect than five, because that's probs just for each drive. ANd I've noticed.... Five genesects, (last movie) of the Fifth Gen...

[Bushido Bob]

Now when are we getting this Meloetta in an event?

Never. TPCI hates Meloetta.

[diakyu]

Lol, I mean no more Genesect than five in the movie, more would be overkill :P

There is no kill like overkill. Especially when dealing with one of my favorite legendary.