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    If Giovanni was dying or TR disbanding it would have been after the whole Meloetta thing that happened. After "returns" i doubt TR will even be a significant part of the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    Yes but he is evil. So death would be fitting.
    "But he is evil" is a really shitty reason for someone to deserve to die. Especially a character like Giovanni who has, in other canons, achieved some level of redemption or at least been portrayed as a sympathetic villain. oh wait you meant Mewtwo.

    Mewtwo isn't evil. He's an arsehole with a really screwed up idea of ethnic purity regarding the clones (there is no other way I can put that) and his actions to keep the clone Pokemon segregated from the bio-Pokemon probably made it easier for Team Rocket to find them in Mewtwo Returns, putting all of them in danger, but that doesn't make him evil.

    He's a character whose anger led him to make some really bad decisions, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matori View Post
    "But he is evil" is a really shitty reason for someone to deserve to die. Especially a character like Giovanni who has, in other canons, achieved some level of redemption or at least been portrayed as a sympathetic villain. oh wait you meant Mewtwo.

    Mewtwo isn't evil. He's an arsehole with a really screwed up idea of ethnic purity regarding the clones (there is no other way I can put that) and his actions to keep the clone Pokemon segregated from the bio-Pokemon probably made it easier for Team Rocket to find them in Mewtwo Returns, putting all of them in danger, but that doesn't make him evil.

    He's a character whose anger led him to make some really bad decisions, nothing more.
    Decisions which caused the deaths of many scientists,

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    Decisions which caused the deaths of many scientists,
    I guess you don't like character arcs then where a character goes through a series of events that leads to a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    I personally loved the special. For me, the only movie or special that can compete with Mewtwo Returns is Movie 3.
    Mewtwo Returns was an EXCELLENT special.

    Is this the same Mewtwo Ash and co. met in M1 and the special, though? If so, AWESOME.

    I think TPCi will get Dan Green to voice him for the dub, seeing as he is in their pool of VAs. That's great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwail8023 View Post
    Mewtwo Returns was an EXCELLENT special.

    Is this the same Mewtwo Ash and co. met in M1 and the special, though? If so, AWESOME.

    I think TPCi will get Dan Green to voice him for the dub, seeing as he is in their pool of VAs. That's great.
    I think it is. I think there's only 1 Mewtwo, besides that 1 in the Mirage special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DawnBoy View Post
    I think it is. I think there's only 1 Mewtwo, besides that 1 in the Mirage special.
    Yeah, I think so as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    I guess you don't like character arcs then where a character goes through a series of events that leads to a change.
    I'm saying they deserved more justice than a 2 second heel face turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwail8023 View Post
    Mewtwo Returns was an EXCELLENT special.

    Is this the same Mewtwo Ash and co. met in M1 and the special, though? If so, AWESOME.

    I think TPCi will get Dan Green to voice him for the dub, seeing as he is in their pool of VAs. That's great.
    They'll probably get Dan Green since he is still voicing characters for the anime. He voiced Pierce in Black and White.

    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    I'm saying they deserved more justice than a 2 second heel face turn.
    It's completely believable why he changed. The scene that happened before Mewtwo changed was a really powerful scene. Of course something like that would make Mewtwo reconsider his actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    They'll probably get Dan Green since he is still voicing characters for the anime. He voiced Pierce in Black and White.
    Exactly. That's great because that's who last voiced him as well in the dub.
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    4. Games: XY > BW1 > BW2 > RSE > GSC > Y > HGSS > DP > RBG
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    Oh, Mewtwo's in this? Now it's guaranteed that sh*t will get real like, gasp, a real anime!

    ...

    So is Mewtwo and his legion of clones vacationing in Unova or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    Decisions which caused the deaths of many scientists,
    If you woke up in a glass jar prison, after being put into suspended animation following watching your best friends die, and everyone was talking about how wealthy they would be from your creation with little care for you, I think you'd go totally nuclear too. Fuji might have been a tragic, desperate man with a good heart but I'm pretty sure the rest of the scientists were in it for the money, and they didn't play the smooth talk Giovanni did later.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    They'll probably get Dan Green since he is still voicing characters for the anime. He voiced Pierce in Black and White.
    Maybe not. His wife died in childbirth last year and Dan's not been voice acting since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matori View Post

    Maybe not. His wife died in childbirth last year and Dan's not been voice acting since.
    Oh, my God! Really? That's so sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matori View Post
    Maybe not. His wife died in childbirth last year and Dan's not been voice acting since.
    Worse. It's been two years, actually.

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    Wow, two years already?

    I hope he's doing okay, I really do.

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    I write odd slice of life stories about Team Rocket. If that's your thing, give them a look:

    Alpha Male- behind every friendship is a story. Perspective contest fourth place winner.
    Secretary- A short and cynical tale of paperwork and sadism
    Survival- A novella about the unbreakable bonds between one man and his feline friend. 2011 Pokemon Big Bang story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    Oh, Mewtwo's in this? Now it's guaranteed that sh*t will get real like, gasp, a real anime!

    ...

    So is Mewtwo and his legion of clones vacationing in Unova or what?

    What, even clone Pokemon need restXD
    Dento and Iris will be even more confused if they see a clone Meowth, oh no they'll have to find out how long Team Rocket's been following Ash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matori View Post
    Wow, two years already?

    I hope he's doing okay, I really do.
    Yeah, me too. Dan Green has always been one of my favorite voice actors particularly for his roles as Mewtwo and Yami Yugi/Yugi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonfangirl View Post
    What, even clone Pokemon need restXD
    Dento and Iris will be even more confused if they see a clone Meowth, oh no they'll have to find out how long Team Rocket's been following Ash.
    Yeah, they'll be shocked XD
    I really hope Ash doesn't forget who Mewtwo is XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonfangirl View Post
    What, even clone Pokemon need restXD
    Dento and Iris will be even more confused if they see a clone Meowth, oh no they'll have to find out how long Team Rocket's been following Ash.
    You're talking about TIME now?

    Cilan: Hey, Ash, how long have Team Rocker followed you?

    Ash: Ever since 12 years ago.

    Iris: Wow, that's a lot of time! Huh, why does this sound so...off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    You're talking about TIME now?

    Cilan: Hey, Ash, how long have Team Rocker followed you?

    Ash: Ever since 12 years ago.

    Iris: Wow, that's a lot of time! Huh, why does this sound so...off?
    With the BW series they seem to think its only been a couple of months since Ash has started his journey, or a year??? So, they wouldn't say years.
    Any ways, we can finally get things cleared up about Team Rocket/Ash's past with them in all this, they've got to explain things about that clone War right? And the special?

    edit;

    I hope Ash and Mewtwo talk about the past too, they hopefully remember these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonfangirl View Post
    With the BW series they seem to think its only been a couple of months since Ash has started his journey, or a year??? So, they wouldn't say years.
    Any ways, we can finally get things cleared up about Team Rocket/Ash's past with them in all this, they've got to explain things about that clone War right? And the special?

    edit;

    I hope Ash and Mewtwo talk about the past too, they hopefully remember these things.
    I was joking with that statement of 12 years seeing as Ash is...still 10 for some reason.

    Also, I don't really think Ash and Mewtwo are that buddy-buddy.

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    I wonder how Mewtwo will appear in this movie. Will they probably show it at the beginning of the movie on top of a building or pop out of nowhere at the last minute.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonfangirl View Post
    With the BW series they seem to think its only been a couple of months since Ash has started his journey, or a year??? So, they wouldn't say years.
    Any ways, we can finally get things cleared up about Team Rocket/Ash's past with them in all this, they've got to explain things about that clone War right? And the special?
    I remember when Kasumi said it took her, Ash and Brock a year to travel around the Kanto region and when Ash beats all 8 Gym Leaders he has to wait like 3 months. Even though there really isn't any set time length in the Pokemon anime, we can infer how long things have taken.

    inb4 Ash is still 10.

    Haha ninja'd xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    I was joking with that statement of 12 years seeing as Ash is...still 10 for some reason.

    Also, I don't really think Ash and Mewtwo are that buddy-buddy.
    I knew you were joking, I was making a joke tooXD

    I didn't think they were BFFs but they have a past and I'd like them to talk about have some flashbacks.
    If Mewtwo some how could let them see what happened with movie 1 *Sigh*

    edit;

    Time makes no sense in this anime, you have to really block it out HA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonfangirl View Post
    If Mewtwo some how could let them see what happened with movie 1 *Sigh*
    It's implied that Ash did remember Movie 1. At the end of Mewtwo Returns, Ash says, "This time we'll both be able to remember," which implies that Mewtwo told him about Movie 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonfangirl View Post
    Time makes no sense in this anime, you have to really block it out HA.
    Totally. XD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    It's implied that Ash did remember Movie 1. At the end of Mewtwo Returns, Ash says, "This time we'll both be able to remember," which implies that Mewtwo told him about Movie 1.
    Agreed.
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    3. English Dub: 4Kids Entertainment/TAJ Productions (EP001-EP276; AG001-AG020) = 4Kids Entertainment (AG021-AG145) = TPCi/SDI Media (The Origin)/Very Good > TPCi/DuArt Film & Video (BW)/Poor > PUSA/TPCi/TAJ Productions (AG146-AG192)/Very Poor > TPCi/DuArt Film & Video (XY) = PUSA/TPCi/TAJ Productions/DuArt Film & Video (DP)/Atrocious
    4. Games: XY > BW1 > BW2 > RSE > GSC > Y > HGSS > DP > RBG
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    6. Manga: RS > RB > Y > FRLG > XY > BW > E > DP > GSC
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