Community POTW #79

[Kraleck]

Keldeo's Movepool is...well, more garbage than a dozen Garbodor's bodies. Not that the Moves it gets are bad, far from it - the lack of Moves it can actually use is the part where Keldeo is less of a Special-based Terrakion and more of an are-you-on-crack-ion:
-Usable Water STAB - Hydro Pump, Surf, Scald, Aqua Jet
-Usable Fighting STAB - Focus Blast, Secret Sword
-Other Special-based Moves - Icy Wind, Hidden Power, Round (only for Water + Normal's Type-coverage)
-Misc - Calm Mind, Toxic, Swagger, Light Screen, Reflect, Psych Up

Don't bother too much with Physical-Keldeo. Like Special-Terrakion, you'll be wasting time, especially since Electric, Grass, Flying, and Psychic Type Moves are too common to be messing around.

[Ilan]

Keldeo's Movepool is...well, more garbage than a dozen Garbodor's bodies. Not that the Moves it gets are bad, far from it - the lack of Moves it can actually use is the part where Keldeo is less of a Special-based Terrakion and more of an are-you-on-crack-ion:
-Usable Water STAB - Hydro Pump, Surf, Scald, Aqua Jet
-Usable Fighting STAB - Focus Blast, Secret Sword
-Other Special-based Moves - Icy Wind, Hidden Power, Round (only for Water + Normal's Type-coverage)
-Misc - Calm Mind, Toxic, Swagger, Light Screen, Reflect, Psych Up

Don't bother too much with Physical-Keldeo. Like Special-Terrakion, you'll be wasting time, especially since Electric, Grass, Flying, and Psychic Type Moves are too common to be messing around.

Keldo doesn't learn Light Screen so he can't act as a dual screener..

and MEH keldeo's movepool isn't THAT bad.. could be excavalier..

[Shazdar]

The sword becomes the horn
Nature: Timid,Modest
Item Choice Specs
4 HP 252Spa 252Spe
Secret Sword
Surf/Scald
Calm Mind
Hp Ice or Ghost

Secret Sword is fighting STAB and causes Resolution form
Surf is more power. Scald burns so you take less damage
Calm Mind boosts Keldeo's already moster Special Attack more
Hidden Power Ice or Ghost for more coverage.

[GirlKirbyZombie]

Sonic Rainboom
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Sp.Att, and 4 Sp. Def
Item: Wide Lens
Moves:
Hyrdo Pump
Focus Blast
Aqua Jet
Calm Mind

High risk: High return! If possible, try to skill swap for compound eyes. That way, you can have another item held.

[TerraWolf]

Keldeo only has 2 usable sets and should always be Max Special Attack and Max Speed for both

Keldeo @ Life Orb
Modest
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Calm Mind
Hydro Pump
Secret Sword
Hidden Power Ghost / Ice

Calm Mind is Obv, Hydro Pump and Secret Sword for Reliable STAB, and HP Ghost to counter Jellicent and Celebi or HP Ice to counter Dragon and Grass types. Should always be used in Rain. However +2 Hydro Pump OHKOs Heatran in Sun so ehh

Keldeo @ Choice Scarf / Specs
Modest
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Secret Sword / Focus Blast
Hydro Pump / Surf
Hidden Power Ghost / Ice
Scald / Icy Wind

Secret Sword and Hydro Pump for STAB, HP Ghost for Jellicent and Celebi or HP Ice for Dragon and Grass. Scald can Burn whatever physical Sweeper that dares outlive Keldeo and Icy Wind could slow something down, even though its not really needed. Like the above, only use in Rain. And the Choice items are an automatic +1, so they shouldn't be used unless you're ballsy, because the Calm Mind set is much better

[Kraleck]

Keldo doesn't learn Light Screen so he can't act as a dual screener..

and MEH keldeo's movepool isn't THAT bad.. could be excavalier..

*Re-checks Keldeo's Page* Well I'll be a Mankey's uncle...how'd I miss that? Good catch, Ilan.

[Rampharos]

I haven't really been following b2w2 updates for fear of spoilers, but there are no stat changes in the new form? Not even an ability change? That's kinda shoddy. The new form looks cooler, but all it really does is give away one of the moves in your set

Also, for anyone who already had used Keldeo, as many have despite it not being available through ah... the usual methods, his new (tutor) moves are:
Aqua tail, bounce, covet, endeavour, helping hand, icy wind, last resort, sleep talk, snore, superpower

A couple of interesting changes, though not many of them are really very useful. Aqua tail and superpower are nice moves, but Keldeo is special-focused.

Rest sets are now an option due to snore, sleep talk and rest being in Keldeo's movepool, if you want to surprise people, I guess...

Wow, looking at his movepool, he doesn't have many options for special attacks, even with the new additions :s

[Ilan]

I haven't really been following b2w2 updates for fear of spoilers, but there are no stat changes in the new form? Not even an ability change? That's kinda shoddy. The new form looks cooler, but all it really does is give away one of the moves in your set

Also, for anyone who already had used Keldeo, as many have despite it not being available through ah... the usual methods, his new (tutor) moves are:
Aqua tail, bounce, covet, endeavour, helping hand, icy wind, last resort, sleep talk, snore, superpower

A couple of interesting changes, though not many of them are really very useful. Aqua tail and superpower are nice moves, but Keldeo is special-focused.

Rest sets are now an option due to snore, sleep talk and rest being in Keldeo's movepool, if you want to surprise people, I guess...

Wow, looking at his movepool, he doesn't have any options for special attacks, even with the new additions :s

Have no options for special attacks? he have Hydro Pump,Secret Sword and Hidden power as special moves also Icy wind is usable specially in doubles...

I saw someone mentioning psychic but keldeo doesn't learn psychic..

I always check for double screens cause I like using fast double screeners but I saw keldeo can't learn it that's why I checked again and confirmed it.
It is a shame really keldeo could have been a fine double screener...

Anyway I am not sure but can someone confirm this does keldeo can be in normal form and have secret sword? if yes it is good,anyway I got an idea for confusing a foe:

Two trick pony
@life orb - Resolution Form
Naughty
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
Justified
-Swords dance
-Close combat
-Aqua Tail/Stone edge
-Secret Sword

Wait what? it is a physical set but it have secret sword.. yep it is a gimmick, you will be in resolution form whjich gives away you are special but... you are actually NOT then you can use swords dance and hit a nice attack and beat a "counter", Close combat is the main STAB while Aqua Tail is another STAB Stone edge make good synergy with CC so it is considerable
Secret sword is useless... but if you don't manage to boost it can deal better damage than CC ( I think..).

This is a trick set the surprise factor is it's advantage but the poor attack (yeah I know I said it isn't viable but with that surprise factor...)

[Blue Harvest]

Wait a sec, the 4th of July week was supposed to be Braviary.

Curse you Serebiiiii!!!!

[jesusfreak94]

I've heard a couple of people knock Icy Wind on Keldeo, but I have to say that it's pretty useful. Many Keldeo in DW OU would run HP Ice to cover Pokemon such as Celebi and the Dragons, leaving Keldeo open to Jellicent. Now, almost everything that you would want HP Ice > HP Ghost for is handled nicely by Icy Wind, leaving an open moveslot for HP Ghost. It also has the bonus of letting you 2HKO Latios on the switch without fear, since the speed drop allows you to outspeed and kill it the second turn. Besides that, 4/0 Salamence is still OHKOd, and even specially defensive Dragonite can be 2HKOd with Multiscale taken into account. Hydreigon is also 2HKOd, and the speed drop means that Scarf Hydra can't just come in, take the first attack, and KO you the second turn. Haxorus can even be OHKOd over half the time after Stealth Rock. Several other Scarfed Pokemon, such as Celebi, might try to switch in and tank a hit while following up with a KO, only to fall victim to Icy Wind. So far, I've been using it to some success on a Specs set like this.

Keldeo@Choice Specs
Timid
Justified
252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
-Hydro Pump
-Secret Sword
-HP Ghost
-Icy Wind

This thing is such a monster in the Rain since very little can switch into it safely. I've paired it alongside CB Haxorus and have blown teams wide open with their complimenting special and physical power. Hydro Pump is the move of choice probably 80% of the time, since it eats even some of the greatest special walls in OU alive. Even standard Blissey is 2HKOd 100% of the time after Rocks, and occasionally without. Secret Sword is much more efficient if I expect a Blissey/Chansey/Ferrothorn/whatever switch-in, though. It also helps beat Hydro Pump-immune Pokemon like Vaporeon and Gastrodon. HP Ghost is pretty much there for Jellicent and Latias, which are surprisingly easy to predict. Like I mentioned earlier, Icy Wind is great for catching random Dragons. Granted, most are hit hard enough (or harder) by Hydro Pump in the Rain, but the speed drop prevents death from Scarfers. Overall, great set.

[Rampharos]

Have no options for special attacks? he have Hydro Pump,Secret Sword and Hidden power as special moves also Icy wind is usable specially in doubles...

I saw someone mentioning psychic but keldeo doesn't learn psychic..

I always check for double screens cause I like using fast double screeners but I saw keldeo can't learn it that's why I checked again and confirmed it.
It is a shame really keldeo could have been a fine double screener...

Anyway I am not sure but can someone confirm this does keldeo can be in normal form and have secret sword? if yes it is good,anyway I got an idea for confusing a foe:

Two trick pony
@life orb - Resolution Form
Naughty
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
Justified
-Swords dance
-Close combat
-Aqua Tail/Stone edge
-Secret Sword

Wait what? it is a physical set but it have secret sword.. yep it is a gimmick, you will be in resolution form whjich gives away you are special but... you are actually NOT then you can use swords dance and hit a nice attack and beat a "counter", Close combat is the main STAB while Aqua Tail is another STAB Stone edge make good synergy with CC so it is considerable
Secret sword is useless... but if you don't manage to boost it can deal better damage than CC ( I think..).

This is a trick set the surprise factor is it's advantage but the poor attack (yeah I know I said it isn't viable but with that surprise factor...)

When I said that he doesn't have any it was a typo xD I meant many, I'll fix that now :P

[XxOshwhatxX]

One Fluttershy of an Applejack:


- Scald/Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Calm Mind/Work Up
- Hidden Power[Grass]/ Hidden Power[Electric]
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EV's and Nature:
EV's: 4 HP/ 252 S.Atk/ 252 Spd
Nature: Timid (+Spd/-Atk)/ Modest (+S.Stk/-Atk)

Scald ruins physical attackers, and can cause some great damage with Keldeo's Base 129 Special Attack stat. Hydro Pump is stronger, but less accurate. Secret Sword is great for Special Walls because it does Physical damage with Special Attack. Calm Mind to boost Keldeo's monstrous Special Stat and Special Defense. Work Up raises both Attack stats. Hidden Power counters some of Keldeo's predators (A lot of them).

[Takeo]

Wait a sec, the 4th of July week was supposed to be Braviary.

Curse you Serebiiiii!!!!

Its cuz he's British.

[Serebii]

Wait a sec, the 4th of July week was supposed to be Braviary.

Curse you Serebiiiii!!!!

Wouldn't that have been the Virizion week? We discussed this

[SuperArtNinja]

Keldeo has some awesome things going for it, good speed, nice Sp. Attack, some defense and a very good typing.

Calm Mind-ateer
Item: Lum Berry/ Life Orb/ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 Sp. Attack/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Moves:
Calm Mind
Surf/ Hydro Pump/ Scald
Secret Sword
Taunt/ Hidden Power Ghost/ Reflect/ Substitute

Calm Mind to boost it's offense and Sp. Defense. I like Surf for the PP and reliability, but it can be replaced with one of the other two, for power or the burn chance. Secret Sword is pretty much a must to get rid of pesky special walls. Taunt is mostly filler, but it helps with Jellicent and other threats that don't fear Keldeo's duel STABs. HP Ghost is coverage... Reflect has some synergy with Calm Mind by increasing Keldeo's physical defence for 5 turns. One can also take advantage of Substitute to prevent Status and help ease predictions.

Mix-ateer
Item: Life Orb/ Lum Berry
Nature: Naive/Hasty
Evs: 252 Spd/ 128 Atk/ 128 Sp. Attack
Work Up
Hydro Pump/ Waterfall
Close Combat/ Focus Blast
Stone Edge/ HP [Ghost or Ice]/ X-Scissor

Work Up increases it's great special attack and boosts it attack to something useable... Hyrdo Pump is there over the other options due to the necessary power it has, but you can opt for Surf for more PP and reliability, but it's not advised. Waterfall is there if you want a physical water move as opposed to a special one, and is used over Aqua Tail for the higher Accuracy and possible Flinch hax. Close Combat is a super strong physical option, but if you don't mind the MUCH lower accuracy, you can use Focus Blast... Focus Blast is a better special option to Secret Sword for two reasons, Secret Sword requires Resolution Form, which reveals that you're at least special. The other reason is that Focus Blast hits the Sp. Def. stat.

Lazy Muskateer
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 Spd/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 4 HP
Moveset:
Rest
Sleep Talk
Scald/Surf/Hydro Pump
Secret Sword/Calm Mind

Despite the new sleep mechanics, a Sleep Talk set could be useful as it gives you a status absorber. If you decide to go with Calm Mind over Secret Sword, you could go with a Bold nature with 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Sp. Def. so you're a bit bulkier. Be warned as this set is completely walled by Jellicent. Scald is good for the burn chance. Secret Sword, STAB, blah,blah,blah... Calm Mind can give you more offense and defense...

Other options:
Icy Wind is an ice type move and one of it's few options for an ice type move since he doesn't get Ice Beam. If you use it, you don't have to worry about using Hidden Power Ice.
Superpower is a really powerful Fighting STAB that could work well on a Choice Scarf set if you don't want Resolution Form tipping off your opponent.
Endeavor + Aqua Jet + Focus Sash is a strategy that could be used to eliminate a boosted threat, like a Dragon Dance sweeper, or a bulky threat.
Poison Jab is physical coverage against Grass types, but isn't worth it on any set...
Bounce can be used with Toxic, and it gets awesome coverage with your Fighting STAB, but it's a physical, two-turn move, meaning your opponent can switch in an appropriate counter.

[ClefairyRox]

Anyway I am not sure but can someone confirm this does keldeo can be in normal form and have secret sword?

As Resolution Forme wasn't introduced until Black and White 2, Keldeo stays in its Usual Forme in Pokemon Black and White, even if it knows Secret Sword.

[YourPermanentRecord631]

Its really nice to be back at the forums after you lose power from a harsh storm and heat wave.

Anyway, Keldeo's Hydro Pump hits crazy at anything that doesn't resist it, even though this thing doesn't get ice beam, it's not like every water type is going to learn the move.

[Kraleck]

Its really nice to be back at the forums after you lose power from a harsh storm and heat wave.

Anyway, Keldeo's Hydro Pump hits crazy at anything that doesn't resist it, even though this thing doesn't get ice beam, it's not like every water type is going to learn the move.

Only Magikarp, Wash Rotom, Tympole, Palpitoad, Seismitoad, and Keldeo cannot learn Ice Beam. Every Water Type except these 6 can learn Ice Beam. However, Magikarp can be ignored, Rotom has another form for Blizzard (it, too, can be ignored), and that leaves the Tympole line and Keld' to not have access to Ice Beam. That's 4 or 6 (depending on how you're counting Rotom and Magikarp) out of 109 Water Types (111 with Rotom and Arceus counted) that cannot learn Ice Beam. I'd call that a significant amount to not get it, especially when 3 of them are an Evolution line, one is a Legendary Pokemon, 1 can't learn anything, and 1 is only a Water Type 1 out of 6 times.

[Fireray]

My little shooting keldeo
Nature:Modest
Evs:give attention to Sp.A and Speed
Moves:
Rain Dance
Hydro Pump\Surf
Secret sword
Hidden power (Sorry I have no idea what type his hidden power is) /Icy wind
Item:Leftovers

[YourPermanentRecord631]

Puns:
What the Kel? More puns?
Kel-p me think of more puns
Somethings punny about the pony
this POTW can go to Kel
Ah Kel yeah
Keler instincts
Keldeoderant=p
Read this POTW or Kel-se
If all Kel-se fail, we don't
What Kel-se do you need to know?
Kel's Bells


I don't think a Swords Dance is as bad as using one with Ludicolo since Keldeo has better stats even with the bad Movepool, plus although not used much, Bounce and Close Combat are only resisted by 5 others, 3 of them are NU and 1 is in Uber. Plus you have that water STAB too.

[Star Champion AJ]

Say hello to the last member of the Pokémon Musketeer Squad, Keldeo, whose NoTW, Nickname of The Week (no pun intended) is D'Artagnan (I was planning of putting Aqua from the Kingdom Hearts series because of the stats, but it wouldn't fit very well).

Anyway, time for the PoTW, Pun of The Week (pun REALLY intended)
My Little Pony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP_rIAkb_v8), with included intro for pun purposes.
The Musketeer's True Resolution/Resolve
D'Artagnan, the True Sword of Justice (Secret Sword set)
Dancing Waters Forming Bonds (Swords Dance set), if you find out where I found this, I'll give you a cookie (or two)
Rainbow Shower (Rain Dance set with Resolution Form)
Rainfell or Stormfall (Rain Dance set with Usual Form)
One for all, all for one (Keldeo's Version)
"Excuse me, but there's four of us." (Triple Battle with two of the other Musketeers as partners)
"As morning hues of sunswept... fire caress your... poisoned face." (Some odd stall set, with Protect, Scald, Substitute and Toxic with Leftovers as item)

Aramis: "This sash was a gift to me, from the Queen of America."
D'Artagnan: "There's no Queen of America." (Focus Sash set)

[philzone]

My little shooting keldeo
Nature:Modest
Evs:give attention to Sp.A and Speed
Moves:
Rain Dance/Double team
Hydro Pump\Surf
Secret sword
Hidden power (Sorry I have no idea what type his hidden power is) /Icy wind
Item:Leftovers

Unfortunately, double team is banned. Hidden power can take on any type bar normal. EVs for you would be 252 sp att, 252 speed and 4 hp.

Counters
Ghost types pretty much wall this pokemon, as its special set has only one ghost type move (at time of writing) and that is HP ghost. Dusknoir and evolite dusclops do well, as their high def and sp def stats should sponge most of keldeo's blows. Sun ruins this little pony, as its hydro pump dwindles in power. So look at sunny day users, who are not fire types. in rain, tornadus strikes it with STAB flying type moves, and thunder users cripple it. water absorb users can switch in and then cause havoc. JELLICENT! wall all moves bar HP ghost and can safely switch into a rain boosted hydro pump.

[YourPermanentRecord631]

Unfortunately, double team is banned. Hidden power can take on any type bar normal. EVs for you would be 252 sp att, 252 speed and 4 hp.

He said "give attention to sp att and speed" which is what he meant=p

[Rayofquazar]

Keldeo... The special sweeper of the quatro. Despite having a huge special attack stat, keldeo is fairly a one trick pony due to it's underwhelming movepool. Nevertheless, this doesn't bother keldeo much, it's signature move Secret sword prevent it from being walled by blissey or chansey wich is enough to set it appart from other special sweepers. It's water type moves, are good with access to surf, Hydro pump and scald (each move has it's own merits). It other special moves include Hidden power and focus blast as alternatives wich only tells you how bad it's movepool really is! Surprisingly, it gets a load of good physical moves including priority but it's physical side is rather unimpressive even with a boost from swords dance.

It have the exact defense as terrakion if not better in the fact that keldeo's typing doesn't come with crippling weaknesses. Speaking of it's typing, it is, as all the muskedeers, is unique/almost unique shared only with poliwrath that is far outclassed and works better in lower tiers. Like terrakion, keldeo cannot take benefit from good defenses due to lack of support options.

This pokemon is a freaking monster in rain teams, hydro pump does explosive damage to the opponent with stab and rain boost! A 120 move stabed becomes 180 with rain boost it reaches 270 power! A move with BP more than an unstabed explosion that doesn't kill you and coming from a 129 Sp ATT... Do the math!

It is also the only member of it's quatro to not take major advantage from it's ability as it boosts it's weaker att stat that again I don't bother to use.

My personal favorite set (and for me the only good set) contains:
Calm mind, Hydro pump or scald, Secret sword and Hidden power Ice.
Pretty easy stuff and self explanatory! The only thinking to do is whether you want sheer power or a chance to burn and reliability. I go for the first option!

All in all, keldeo is a decent pokemon with a very good speed that is able to sweep opponent teams under rain and has a nice niche to slice up chanseys and blisseys using special fighting super effective attacks on them!

[KyuremCraze]

Keldi-ouch!
Item: Splash Plate/Fist Plate/Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Nature: Timid/Modest/Hasty
EVs: 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves;
Surf/Hydro Pump/Scald
Secret Sword
Icy Wind/Hidden Power {Ice}/Hidden Power {Ghost}
Calm Mind

THE generic Keldeo set, and the one he uses best. Surf is a powerful move with good accuracy, as sometimes Keldeo just can't miss. Use Hydro Pump if you don't care about accuracy. Scald is an alternative, as it has a decent 80 attack power and can burn, which makes some pokemon become near useless. Secret Sword gives STAB and gets past Chansey/Blissey, plus lets you show off it's flashy new forme. Icy Wind is good for crippling faster opponents, and HP {ice} it's also Keldeo's strongest Ice-Attack. HP {Ghost} is to stop you getting walled from ghost-types. Calm Mind boosts up Keldeo's insane special attack to new levels.

Oh Deer, you can go Defensive?
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Justified
Nature: Hasty/Timid
EVs: 126 Sp. Attack, 126 Sp. Defense, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves;
Secret Sword
Scald
Calm Mind
Toxic

This set is about crippiling the opposing team. Calm Mind to boost up Sp.Attack and Sp.Defense, which are both important, especially due to the fact most of Keldeo's weaknesses focus on Sp.Attack. Secret Sword is to stop becoming taunt bait and it provides good STAB. It also gets past that pesky Blissey. Scald does some Water-Type STAB, and can burn, which is a good niche. Toxic can cripple other pokemon who think they can wall Keldeo.

Partners
Steelix. He resists Psychic and Flying. It Is Immune to Electric and neutral to Grass. It can also phaze out Keldeo's feers with Dragon Tail. Fan Rotom also resists Grass and Flying. It'll say hello to Psychic-Types and send them off with a nice juicy Shadow Ball to the face. he also finds a great help in rain, so rain support such as Politoed can be great help.

Double and Triple Battles
Keldeo is only weak to 4 things, which are all quite common. Zebstrika can absorb electric-type moves with Lightningrod, Say good night to Psychics with Pursuit, and Burn the Grass with Overheat. Chandelure also covers Psychics and Grass that that they can beat up Keldeo, while It beats the crap out of other Ghosts who think they can wall keldeo. Keldeo also covers Chandelure's and Zebstrika's weaknesses. The 3 out on the same side can cause some major mayhem.

Counters
Bulky Grass-Types, such as fellow muskedeer Virzion can do some nasty work, but they need to be wary about HP Ice or Icy Wind. Fying-Type and Electric-Type and Psychic-Type Pokemon also do Good, especially as Keldeo is defensless against the latter two. Ghosts can wall Keldeo unless it has HP Ghost. Keldeo has many weaknesses to be exploited, but let this My Little Pony do it's stuff and it'll demolish your Team quickly!