Do you think Ditto should be banned?

[Ilan]

You people are so f*cking stupid it's unreal. Ditto will NEVER be banned. It isn't even a threat in freaking NU and you want it to go to ubers? Play the metagame, understand it better, then maybe you'll eat your words. It adapts to whatever metagmae it's in. If it were in a HO offensive meta, which nothing in BW is, then it would be very effective. It's only successful against boosted sweepers and is useless against stall and bulky offense, the latter is what all tiers(excluding ubers) are constructed of this gen.

Actually no one in this thread said it should be banned.. and I think it can be good for stall teams if they don't like quagsmire as he can beat the greatest fear of those teams which is set up sweepers.
So what blaziken was UU/RU now he reached Ubers cause of his DW ability, so is dugtrio and zam those two were NU and they reached OU.

[Ponymon]

It's stats are too low, and even when it does do it's thing, it hardly has any PP of each move

[Aurath8]

It's stats are too low, and even when it does do it's thing, it hardly has any PP of each move

The only stat that really matters for Ditto is HP, and with full investment it has similar HP to a pokemon with Base 80 HP. When Ditto takes on the role of a sweeper, that's actually pretty decent. PP isn't an issue either, as Ditto copies the opponents moves at full PP(I think).

[TerraWolf]

You people are so f*cking stupid it's unreal. Ditto will NEVER be banned. It isn't even a threat in freaking NU and you want it to go to ubers? Play the metagame, understand it better, then maybe you'll eat your words. It adapts to whatever metagmae it's in. If it were in a HO offensive meta, which nothing in BW is, then it would be very effective. It's only successful against boosted sweepers and is useless against stall and bulky offense, the latter is what all tiers(excluding ubers) are constructed of this gen.

And then you realize no one has said it will go above UU

[Shinyunbreon]

it will be ou but not ban worthy i is a very good revenge killer but with team preview its easy to work around

[That Crazy Russian™]

You people are so f*cking stupid it's unreal. Ditto will NEVER be banned. It isn't even a threat in freaking NU and you want it to go to ubers? Play the metagame, understand it better, then maybe you'll eat your words. It adapts to whatever metagmae it's in. If it were in a HO offensive meta, which nothing in BW is, then it would be very effective. It's only successful against boosted sweepers and is useless against stall and bulky offense, the latter is what all tiers(excluding ubers) are constructed of this gen.

rage much?

i dont think it'll be ou. everything has been pretty much stated, but i have a question. do hazards affect it before or after the transformation?

and waffle, half the ou tier is all about setting up. js....

[Ilan]

rage much?

i dont think it'll be ou. everything has been pretty much stated, but i have a question. do hazards affect it before or after the transformation?

and waffle, half the ou tier is all about setting up. js....

Before the transformation first the switch then it tranforms and I think I got it how it wors in doubles it tranforms to the pokemon in front of it.
you can use it it is released no need to theorymoning.

[waffle_x_v]

I was actually talking about the people who want to see ditto banned not the posters. There's just so many people who scream the ban hammer on ditto w/o any knowledge what so ever.

[TurboMechaElgyem]

Out of curiousity, does quick powder still work on ditto when it is transformed?

[jesusfreak94]

Neither the Quick Powder nor the Metal Powder work for Ditto after it has transformed. The only item that can boost its speed after transforming is the Choice Scarf.

[Zachmac]

Nah ditto is a normal pokemon.
If we are talking about banned pokemon I think that smergale should banned

No, smeargle's stats are far to terrible for it to be broken. It's best stat is 75 in speed, which is downright sad.

It has an infinite movepool, but a very difficult time using it.

I was actually talking about the people who want to see ditto banned not the posters. There's just so many people who scream the ban hammer on ditto w/o any knowledge what so ever.

Even then, I don't think that justifies rudeness.

[Dragonicwari]

I have little experience with ditto, but when I do face it and I'm using an offensive poke, I tend to go for the move that hurts ditto badly and the poke that's out. So far ditto has not even come close to sweeping me

[MatchMaster]

Hard choice. Since Ditto with imposter can immediately copy the stats and moves of the opposing Pokemon it switches into, it would make sense for it to go to ubers, but then again, all the opponent would have to do is switch Pokemon. So in that sense, it would be in standard play.

[TerraWolf]

Hard choice. Since Ditto with imposter can immediately copy the stats and moves of the opposing Pokemon it switches into, it would make sense for it to go to ubers, but then again, all the opponent would have to do is switch Pokemon. So in that sense, it would be in standard play.

Just because it can become another Pokemon doesn't mean anything. Zoroark having Illusion didn't do much to the tier. Hell, you don't see it doing much outside of being a false NP Infernape. A major thing that will prevent Ditto from going to Ubers is that it only has 20 total PP in after turning into the opposing Pokemon. Ditto also requires a large need to have knowledge of just about any Pokemon. It could become a Latios, the person would need to know how to use Latios. The use of Ditto basically require the skill of the user to be even remotely useful

[Oao]

Hard choice. Since Ditto with imposter can immediately copy the stats and moves of the opposing Pokemon it switches into, it would make sense for it to go to ubers, but then again, all the opponent would have to do is switch Pokemon. So in that sense, it would be in standard play.

Its not as simple as Ditto just switching in. It either needs a choice scarf or hope that it wins the speed tie. If you choose a choice scarf it will be locked into the next move it uses so you need to think about what move you use next like TerraWolf said. Also you can't just switch it in on anything because it can't change into anything behind a sub and doesn't get the hidden power of anything it changes.

[redcharzard]

Ditto with Imposter Ability

Pros
Automatic transforms when switching in.
Copies all stat boost/drops of opponent
Can use Choice scarf for a revenge killer set

Cons
5 pp for mov limit
Has lower hp then most(may be higher then some fragile sweepers that it transforms into.)
Cannot use imposter if an opponent has a Substitute up.
Choice scarf sets lock Ditto into one move that it can only use 5 times

It seems prettybalanced to me so it should be Over Used not Uber.

Also anyone who says Imposter Ditto well be the same(tier/competive wise) as Zoruark didn't check Smogon. Ditto plays a a very different game then Zoruark and does/did pretty good in Smogon's BW tier as it acts like the perfect stat boosting counter and revenge killer(provided substitute is down.)

[ParaChomp]

Neither the Quick Powder nor the Metal Powder work for Ditto after it has transformed. The only item that can boost its speed after transforming is the Choice Scarf.

They need to fix that.

I doubt it will be Uber however, I think it will preform quite well in the tier itself.

[Zachmac]

Just because it can become another Pokemon doesn't mean anything. Zoroark having Illusion didn't do much to the tier. Hell, you don't see it doing much outside of being a false NP Infernape. A major thing that will prevent Ditto from going to Ubers is that it only has 20 total PP in after turning into the opposing Pokemon. Ditto also requires a large need to have knowledge of just about any Pokemon. It could become a Latios, the person would need to know how to use Latios. The use of Ditto basically require the skill of the user to be even remotely useful

Illlusion and Imposter are actually nothing alike. That comparison is awful.

Also, since ditto will be transforming into boosted pokemon oftenly, 5 PP is more then enough for it to sweep.

And your Latios example is also pretty bad. For one, anyone who is any good at OU will understand how pokemon there are used, even if they don't use them themselves. I've gotten the hang of plenty of pokemon on first try. Secondly, if you send it out on a Latios, it's a simple as hitting Draco Meteor. Then you're done. It doesn't take much skill to hit Draco Meteor instead of surf. And if you send it out on a +6 Salamence? We all know how that'll turn out.

While I do agree that it isn't uber worthy, I'm just pointing out that your argument isn't all that good.

[TerraWolf]

Illlusion and Imposter are actually nothing alike. That comparison is awful.

Also, since ditto will be transforming into boosted pokemon oftenly, 5 PP is more then enough for it to sweep.

And your Latios example is also pretty bad. For one, anyone who is any good at OU will understand how pokemon there are used, even if they don't use them themselves. I've gotten the hang of plenty of pokemon on first try. Secondly, if you send it out on a Latios, it's a simple as hitting Draco Meteor. Then you're done. It doesn't take much skill to hit Draco Meteor instead of surf. And if you send it out on a +6 Salamence? We all know how that'll turn out.

While I do agree that it isn't uber worthy, I'm just pointing out that your argument isn't all that good.

Illusion is easy to get through, but not if you know what it is. Imposter is harder to use. If someone brings out some low tiers sweeper that no one has any prior use with the Ditto user is gonna have a bad time

[Zachmac]

Illusion is easy to get through, but not if you know what it is. Imposter is harder to use. If someone brings out some low tiers sweeper that no one has any prior use with the Ditto user is gonna have a bad time

Well, for one, they're called under and never used for a reason. You won't be seeing them just anyway.

And besides, it doesn't take much knowledge to know to use super power rather then ice punch on an Azumarill or whatever, so actually, it doesn't take much knowledge to know how to use ditto. It just requires that you are familiar with moves and types.