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    Time for the next Pokémon of the Week. This one is to tie in to the release of the movie; Kyurem VS The Sacred Swordsman Keldeo



    It's Kyurem in its standard form. Black Kyurem & White Kyurem are to be dealt with at a later date

    Kyurem is a pretty decent Pokémon and has a diverse movepool

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    Kyurem-S isn't the best Dragon but he can tear in Hail teams oh and thanks Blue Harvest for not using My Little Pony joke, those can be used for a Ponyta LC section
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    Let's see, where to begin?

    Kyurem is a very intresting pokemon, not the best dragon type, but by far not the bottom of the pile. It's typing is a bit strange but with its stats and movepool it can pretty much be whatever you want to be (although it's not Mew so let's no go there) It's physical and special are the same and its speed is...eh, ok. But that's the main thing you need to get around is the speed. The way you attack is up to you

    Kyurem
    Ability: Pressure
    Nature: Timid (I would say Modest, but that speed boost really helps)
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spd
    Moveset:
    Ice Beam/Blizzard
    Earth Power
    Dragon Pulse
    Hidden Power (Fire)

    Save the Blizzard for hail sets since it tends to miss so often...at least it does for me >_<'
    Other than that, this is obviously a special set, and physical sets are possible too
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    How about for a pun we do Ice Splice Baby(as Kyurem absorbs the gene of the 2 dragons)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duranteater View Post
    How about for a pun we do Ice Splice Baby(as Kyurem absorbs the gene of the 2 dragons)!
    I love it.

    Well, Kyurem got considerably better in BW2. It now has Roost to help its Stealth Rock weakness and take advantage of its great bulk, as well as Earth Power so that it doesn't have to rely on Focus Blast anymore. I've tried out a LO Roost set in the Hail lately, and it's really good.

    Kyurmen@Life Orb
    Timid
    Pressure
    252 SpA, 224 Spe, 32 HP
    -Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    -Blizzard/Ice Beam
    -Earth Power/Focus Blast
    -Roost

    This guy has a great combination of offensive power and survivability. It forces out quite a few Pokemon, making it easy to make time for Roost. Draco Meteor hits anything hard that doesn't resist it. Ever heard of Latios? You know, the notorious Draco Meteor spam master? Yeah, this guy hits just as hard and isn't shut down by specially defensive Jirachi (Earth Power 2HKOs after Stealth Rock). Earth Power makes almost a perfect pair with Draco Meteor, with only Bronzong, Skarmory, and Balloon Steels resisting. Of those, Bronzong is uncommon, Balloon Steels aren't always reliable, and Skarmory isn't liking Blizzard at all (physically defensive is easily OHKOd). There are a couple of slashes here. If you want to stick around longer, Dragon Pulse gives you good power without cutting your SpA with every use. If you're not using Hail, use Ice Beam over Blizzard. Finally, although the accuracy is a big turnoff, Focus Blast can be used over Earth Power. At least it has a good deal more power and keeps you from being helpless against the occasional Bronzong. The EVs here maximize power and give you enough speed to beat Jolly Landorus-T and everything slower. Speed creeping standard Kyurem spreads is also nice. The rest goes to HP to improve bulk a little.

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    Sub Zero
    Kyurem @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spd
    Modest (+SAtk, -Atk)/Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam/Blizzard
    - Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
    - Hidden Power Fire/Focus Blast
    - Substitute
    Kyurem's great HP lets it make hefty substitutes. Only use Blizzard in Hail. The rest is based on your power preference.
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    One of the perks of Kyerum is that its Ice-Typing makes it one of the only dragons not weak to Ice. It also makes for some good hail work. On the other hand, it adds a few unruly weaknesses, like Fighting- and Rock-.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Marowak View Post
    One of the perks of Kyerum is that its Ice-Typing makes it one of the only dragons not weak to Ice. It also makes for some good hail work. On the other hand, it adds a few unruly weaknesses, like Fighting- and Rock-.
    WHAT? Where have you been, Kyurem is still weak to ice.

    EDIT: sorry forgot about that. don't quote me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Marowak View Post
    One of the perks of Kyerum is that its Ice-Typing makes it one of the only dragons not weak to Ice. It also makes for some good hail work. On the other hand, it adds a few unruly weaknesses, like Fighting- and Rock-.
    Dialga is also not weak to ice because of his steel typing :3 only weak to ground and fighting (i think >_O)

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    Kyurem is a great example of a pokemon that would probably be tearing up OU if it weren't Ice type. Ice offers no real important coverage that Dragon doesn't already have, and it gives Kyurem weaknesses to Fighting, Rock and Steel and neutrality to Fire in exchange for neutrality to Ice. Despite that, Kyurem has solid attacking stats and a decent 95 speed.

    Special
    Nature:Timid
    Item: Life Orb
    Evs: 252 SAtk/252 Spe/4 HP
    -Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    -Ice Beam
    -Focus Blast
    -Dragon Pulse/Earth Power/Hidden Power Fire

    Draco Meteor is the power move, but it will almost always require switching, which is not very appealing due to Kyurem's weakness to every entry hazard. Dragon Pulse is far more reliable, but much weaker. Focus Blast hits Steels and Tyranitar hard, combining well with the Dragon move. Ice Beam is another STAB for a move to kill the 4x weak Dragons without needing Draco Meteor. The last slot is filler. Dragon Pulse is there if you want to use Draco Meteor. Earth Power is a new tutor move that grabs a super effective hit on Jirachi and Heatran. You could always run Outrage and put some EVs into Attack to kill Blissey.

    Countering Kyurem

    Hazard-wise, Kyurem is the Volcarona of Dragons. Setting up entry hazards will cripple it, even more so if it's holding a Life Orb. Another good thing about dealing with Kyurem is that despite it's wonderful 130 Attack stat, pretty much all of its purely physical sets can't get by Steels. Mixed sets are troublesome though, as Skarmory would take decent damage from a Draco Meteor and Blissey won't survive Outrage. However, Kyurem is pretty slow at 95 speed, so it can easily be revenge killed. Terrakion, Salamence, Infernape, etc. Scizor resists both of Kyurem's STABs and can slaughter it with Bullet Punch.

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    Physical
    Adamant/Jolly
    Choice Band
    4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd

    Outrage - Basic STAB move.
    Focus Blast - Deals with Steels.
    Fusion Bolt - Deals with Skarmory.
    Stone Edge - Kyurem's only other good physical move. It has an awful physical movepool, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by infernape612 View Post
    Physical
    Adamant/Jolly
    Choice Band
    4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd

    Outrage - Basic STAB move.
    Focus Blast - Deals with Steels.
    Fusion Bolt - Deals with Skarmory.
    Stone Edge - Kyurem's only other good physical move. It has an awful physical movepool, doesn't it?
    LOL, why Focus Blast, it is a sp move? Yeah Physical Ky isn't great.

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    One thing i really don't understand as to why the creators decided to make Kyurem's Standard Form's signature move Glaciate only have 65 BP. I know it gets two more high powered signature moves but both of them are form exclusive like Glaciate.

    With only 65 BP, it is of no use and would only be a novelty sort of move. They should have made it have atleast 90 BP (with 95 Acc.) which would make it 5 BP less powerful than Ice Beam but with the added effect of slowing down the opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucario At Service View Post
    One thing i really don't understand as to why the creators decided to make Kyurem's Standard Form's signature move Glaciate only have 65 BP. I know it gets two more high powered signature moves but both of them are form exclusive like Glaciate.

    With only 65 BP, it is of no use and would only be a novelty sort of move. They should have made it have atleast 90 BP (with 95 Acc.) which would make it 5 BP less powerful than Ice Beam but with the added effect of slowing down the opponent.
    It's not so much a novelty move, as it is an Ice type bulldoze, minus the effect of hitting multiple pokemon in a multi battle... I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildman101093 View Post
    It's not so much a novelty move, as it is an Ice type bulldoze, minus the effect of hitting multiple pokemon in a multi battle... I think.
    Pretty much, except that it has 5 more base power.

    I've always viewed it as a slightly buffed Icy Wind.
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    Kyurem. At first I didn't really get him, but now i do.

    Snow hands
    Ice beam/blizzard-
    dragon pulse/draco meteor
    Focus blast
    Earth power
    Timid/modest
    Evs. 252 spatt 252 spd 4 hp
    Item life orb
    A solid special sweeper.

    Cooler than the rest.
    Outrage
    Stone edge
    Iron head
    Zen headbutt
    Item life orb
    Jolly/adamant
    252 att 252 spd 4hp
    Strong set for physical

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    Dragon tail/protect
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    Impish/calm
    252 hp, 128 def 128 spdef

    Toxic is key. Roost regenerates health, fly stalls. Protect stalls while dragon tail makes it good at phazing out steels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philzone View Post
    Don't eat the yellow snow
    Toxic
    Roost
    Fly
    Dragon tail/protect
    Item leftovers
    Impish/calm
    252 hp, 128 def 128 spdef

    Toxic is key. Roost regenerates health, fly stalls. Protect stalls while dragon tail makes it good at phazing out steels.
    Too gimmicky as Kyurem is better off attacking straight on instead.

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    Ah yes. Held back by its Dragon/Ice typing, small movepool, and average speed, Kyurem was forced into BL when first introduced. It is also outclassed as a Specially Offensive Dragon type from the likes of Latios.

    However, it does have so perks to it. Before B2W2, it was probably the best abuser of hail, being able to fire off ridiculously powerful Blizzards from its base 130 special attack, only matched by Glaceon, which is in NU. B2W2 also gave it a useful new move in Earth Power, so it doesn't have to rely on Focus Miss or the underpowered Hidden Power Fire. It also has above-average defenses: 125/90/90 allow it to take neutral hits fairly well.

    Despite Kyurem's shortcomings, it has its niche as an offensive Dragon-type.

    Ability
    Pressure: Like most Ubers, Kyurem has pressure, which deducts PP by two instead of one when hit. Not the best, but Kyurem has good bulk to abuse it.

    Glaciate
    Item: Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    - Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
    - Glaciate
    - Blizzard / Ice Beam
    - Earth Power / Hidden Power Fire

    This set aims to patch up Kyurem's average speed by using Glaciate on the opponent's switch-in. Draco Meteor is powerful, reliable, and destructive, being able to OHKO opposing Dragons like Dragonite and Salamence, while also OHKOing things like any variant of Cloyster, most variants of Volcarona, Terrakion, and Keldeo. Dragon Pulse is an option to replace it if you plan to stay in for a while, as Draco Meteor halves your special attack after each use. Blizzard is very powerful as well, so it is the main STAB move of choice. Earth Power gets good coverage with Kyurem's STAB, and can deal with most Kyurem switch ins, like Infernape, Cobalion, Heatran, Metagross, and Jirachi. However, Hidden Power Fire is still a viable option to hit the aforementioned Pokemon bar Heatran and Infernape, and also hit Bronzong and Scizor. You have to use it on the switch in most of the time, as most of them outspeed Kyurem.

    Mixed Attacker
    Item: Life Orb
    Nature: Hasty
    EVs: 36 Atk / 252 SpA / 220 Spe
    - Outrage
    - Draco Meteor
    - Blizzard / Ice Beam
    - Earth Power / Hidden Power Fire

    While this Kyurem is slower, it can be a bit more destructive. Outrage 2HKOs Blissey. Dragon Claw is an option over this, but fails to 2HKO Blissey.

    Choice
    Item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
    Nature: Timid / Modest
    EVs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 220 Spe
    - Draco Meteor
    - Blizzard / Ice Beam
    - Earth Power
    - Hidden Power Fire / Dragon Pulse

    Choice Scarf can surprise opponents who think they have a faster Pokemon than Kyurem, while Choice Specs brings Kyurem's Special Attack to high levels. Since Kyurem will be switching around, Draco Meteor is generally the best option for the first slot. As in all sets, Blizzard is the main STAB of choice, as it's one of the main reasons to use Kyurem.

    Team Support
    Abamasnow. It permanently sets up Hail so Kyurem can set off Blizzard with no drawbacks. It also chips away at non Ice-type opposing Pokemon's health. Defensive Cloyster also stomachs physical Dragon-type moves directed at Kyurem. Alakazam with Magic Guard doesn't take residual damage from Hail, and can come in on Fighting-type moves.

    Counters
    Depending on what Kyurem is running, there are different counters. Air Balloon or Choice Scarf Heatran is probably your best bet, as it resists Kyurem's STAB moves and can walk all over it with Fire Blast. Choice Scarf Heatran just must be weary of an opposing Choice Scarf Kyurem, as Earth power will bring it down. If Kyurem lacks Hidden Power Fire, Scizor can 2HKO with Bullet Punch. Bronzong is also under the same conditions, as it is immune to Earth Power and resists Kyurem's STABs.

    Other Options
    Not Much. Kyurem lacks a physical Ice-type move, so it can't run a completely physical set. It does however, have a boosting move in Hone Claws to help this. Useable physical options include Stone Edge, Dragon Claw, Shadow Claw, Iron Head, Zen Headbutt, and Dragon Tail. It could also run a bulky set with Roost, which it was blessed with in B2W2.
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    Basic Kyurem is likely the worst dragon legendary to ever exist. It has some great stats (except for speed), but has a terrible movepool and a typing that basically begs for the opponent to hit it super effectively.

    Glaciator
    -glaciate
    -dragon pulse/draco meteor
    -focus blast/ice beam/blizzard
    -hidden power fire/electric/ghost
    4 hp 252 sp atk 252 speed
    Modest/timid
    Pressure
    Life orb

    Despite my criticisms earlier, Kyurem does have one perk: it is hard to switch in on. 130 base special attack can rip holes in a lot of things. This set is built to capitalize on this fact. Glaciate slows the opponent down, giving kyurem a chance to decimate it with an attack. However, the only way glaciate is likely to land with kyurem's speed is on a switch-in.



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    move set pun,

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    Quote Originally Posted by paipr_christian View Post
    move set pun,

    "such an ice sore"
    Give this man a gold star.

    Edit:

    Forever a Kyurem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeo View Post
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    Edit:

    Forever a Kyurem
    We can't really say it will be BL forever if GF gives it something to help it go to Uber or become a top OU threat.
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    Kyurem is a very, very odd pokemon. With 95 speed, great bulk, 130 in both offences, a Dragon typing and a massive BST of 660 it should be duking it out upstairs like Reshiram, Zekrom and co. But instead it s in BL. Why?
    Dragon/Ice leaves it with a Stealth Rock weakness and that bulk doesn't really matter when you're outsped and OHKOed by huge metagame threats like Scizor, Tyranitar, Conkledurr and the 3 Muskedeers in OU. There simply wasn't a reason to use Kyurem over better Dragons like Dragonite, Salamence, Hydreigon, Lati@s and Haxorus. Gamefreak weren't very kind to the poor broken dragon-monster thing. Even it's signature move Glaciate is essentially a slightly more powerful Icy Wind. Kyurem spent a while in UU throwing off Hail-enhanced Blizzards but a ban ended his rampage. So for now Kyurem sits in the limbo that is BL.

    Mixrem
    Kyurem@Life Orb/Choice Scarf
    Naive
    Pressure
    252 Spd/128 Atk/128 Spatk
    -Outrage
    -Blizzard/Ice Beam
    -Earth Power
    -Roost/Draco Meteor

    The goal of this set is to take advantage of Kyurem's great mixed offences and nuke whatever comes your way with the appropiate move. Alternatively, Kyurem can opt for a Choice Scarf and become an effective revenge killer.
    Blizzard and Outrage really hurt coming of it's 130 offences. Earth Power hits various Steels that'd easily end your sweep. Roost heals off Life Orb and entry hazard damage, but Draco Meteor really packs a punch against unsuspecting foes. Ice Beam is there if you're worried about losing weather wars.

    In terms of team members, Abomasnow is obviously vital for firing off accurate Blizzards, not to mention the residual damage always helps. A Rapid Spinner is also greatly appreciated to ward off Stealth Rock. Reuniclus is another good partner: immune to Hail and soaks up fighting type moves aimed at Kyurem and proceeds to Psyshock them to death.

    Counters
    Steels like Scizor, Heatran and Bronzong can take out Kyurem without breaking a sweat, resisting both STAB and hitting back with their own supereffective moves. Tyranitar gets a mention here for changing the weather to Sand and nerfing his Blizzards as well as setting up Stealth Rock. Fighting types won't like a Blizzard or Outrage, but most can revenge kill Kyurem with sheer speed(Terakion) or powerful priority(Conkledurr). Every Dragon in the tier bar Dragonite can also outspeed and KO Kyurem with their STAB Outrage/Draco Meteor.
    I suppose you could mention Blissey/Chansey for special variants of Kyurem, but Steels are generally more reliable.


    Honestly, as long as Kyurem is in BL it shouldn't be anything to worry about, simply because Kyurem will be such a rare sight in OU.
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    Huge HP, access to Sub-Roost, huge attack stats, good defense stats, and great Speed. What's not to love? Oh, wait...Stealth Rock Weakness.

    Kyurem is near-godly when it doesn't have to worry about Stealth Rock, making Spinners/Defoggers important allies. Dragon STAB is okay for Dragons not weak to Ice, but Ice STAB is incredible, too. A good variety of Physical and Special Moves rounds out the mix quite well, but Baton Passing Speed (such as a Shift Gear or Quiver Dance) to Kyurem or whipping up a Tailwind is similarly important.

    Allies include Abomasnow-Warning, Spinners/Defoggers, Speed-Passers, Water Types, and Steel Types. Kyurem is only as good as the team supporting it, so building a Team with Kyurem starts with Kyurem as one of at least two anchoring points. Once you analyze Kyurem and your other anchor-point Pokemon, make sure their allies can deal with counters. While Kyurem and, let's say, Magnezone may work well solo on the same team, they have to deal with Fire Types, Fighting Types, and hard-hitting Special Attackers.

    Kyurem alone isn't that great. Kyurem with support is fearsome. Getting past an amply buffed and supported Kyurem is like trying to get past an amply buffed and supported Terrakion - a severely-uphill battle with heavy losses.
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    SP Attacking Kyurem
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