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    Yeah RS did get a little darker than Adventures normally gets, whether it was "too" dark or not I guess is opinion. I didn't mind it personally, actually I think it helps it stand out a little more from the other arcs. It felt like there was more at stake during that final battle.

    FranticShipping I don't really mind, but I don't really care for ChosenShipping either. To me, Silver and Green are brother and sister. It suits their relationship a lot more than being a couple does. But I don't really care about shipping anyway though, so eh.

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    Everyone who died had a comic book death thanks to ****ing Celebi. That's why I don't really like it. It never had any really lasting effects. Have Norman stay dead. He was a dick.
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    Well it is a comic book, you know. But whatever, anyone who doesn't like the Celebi thing is free to do so I guess. Personally it didn't bug me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Oh my god, yes. It's exactly like Digimon Adventure 02. Silver and Ken were also almost completely the same character. :|
    What makes it worse is that, at least, Ken was a bit interesting (until he became a good guy, then he was just annoying). Silver didn't really even that. I think Silver was a mixture of good!Ken and Iori/Cody; they're there, but at the same time we barely enough their character or/and are boring to really care. I think Gold was really the only thing that made Silver a little bit interesting. (Sorta like Daisuke/Davis, only a lot better.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    I don't think it makes him more interesting--on the contrary, I think it makes him less interesting. In the games, N was somewhat of a unique character (as far as Pokemon goes anyway). He was a strange little fellow who talked super fast, claimed he could understand Pokemon's words, disliked battling, and even wanted to be friends with the protagonist. In the manga, I feel like they got rid of most of that uniqueness and just turned him into another card-carrying villain. I just...don't like it. Like I said, the manga's free to change characterizations or whatever as they see fit, but N is just someone I think they should've left alone.
    Perhaps. I have to wait until I see how he's written. I tend to like sociopathic characters, that's why I thought it to be interesting. Considering the way he's eyes are drawn, Kusaka maybe wanted to give him a more creepy feel before he learned the error of his ways (or something like that).

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Oh, I can't either. Yellow should've just stayed a boy if you ask me. Every time I see that ponytail, for some reason she just becomes even less interesting to me.
    I don't mind Yellow being a girl, I just didn't like how big of a role she had gotten because of her powers. If Kusaka really wanted a character with ~powers~, Yellow would of been better as a supporting character like a Guardian or something. Her powers and personality makes her come across off as a Mary Sue to me. Add that the whole Yellow arc made her out to be a severe underdog who can't do anything (lies, I say) and it's painful to read in the Yellow arc. And as you said, she does to have contrived moments (increasing pokemon levels, lol) which makes her character worse each time I see her.

    Yellow must be Kusaka's waifu or something. No other non-villain character is as special as her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Yeah he was, but apparently the original plan was to make him the dexholder, but at some point it was decided he wouldn't "fit" as the dexholder or whatever so Emerald was created. Even though Wally fit perfectly as the third Hoenn dexholder and Emerald stands out like an unwanted stepchild. I don't understand their logic, especially after already giving Wally so much foreshadowing and development during the Sky Pillar mini arc, but eh. And yeah Emerald's problems weren't interesting to me, either. Actually, they made him seem like even more of a brat.
    Bulbapedia says something different, but yours is also a possibility. If what Bulbapedia says is right, then I wouldn't be surprised if Kusaka brought him back simply to deal with the third Dexholder situation and then do something with Mitsuru. Same here, especially when he knocked away pokemon just because of some bullies rather than using them. His whole backstory and the reason for his special ability felt forced.

    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    So she's not a good battler? Even if she wasn't capturing Pokemon, I don't believe she's bad at Trainer battles. At least, nothing indicates that.
    The problem with Crystal is that she has battling skills simply because she needs some to capture pokemon. If she were to go against a good trainer and not a newbie, she'll most likely lose. She doesn't have enough person-vs-person battling experience to be a good at trainer battles because she wasn't written that way. Her skills are more used for figuring out how to overcome pokemon instincts and to use her knowledge on different pokemon. These skills don't/won't always work against strong/creative trainers like the other Dexholders.

    And as TomNamikaze said, her pokemon weren't made for battling. The Emerald arc shows this when Emerald uses them and they get own'd pretty quickly. Emerald was the only reason her pokemon managed to win and if it was Crystal instead, she would of lost quickly.

    I like Crystal and all, but she just isn't a good battler.

    And on that note, I dislike how Kusaka wrote Crystal. She developed way too quickly and made to be a pro way too soon. There's basically nothing he can do with her now (except become a spy for the Professor) other than help fight with the other two boys. Another reason why I hate the GSC arc.

    I guess I can list some others of mine now:

    - I dislike FRLG/E(/HGSS too, no doubt) as well. I used to like FRLG/E solely because of Saque, but after reading DP, I don't all that much anymore. I dislike all 3 of them for the similar reasons, their pointless plots. The plots tend to take up so much time and have to be contained in such a short space that we barely learn anything about the characters. And if we do, it feels out of nowhere or forced. The plot feels like a reason to have action than rather tell a story. I don't mind action, but the whole arc doesn't need it and for weak reasons.

    - I think Jupiter is the best villain character. She is 10x more interesting than most of the other characters. It's too bad we'll probably never learn anything about her.

    - E arc's reunion sucked and I much rather it not being there if nothing important was going to be done with it.

    - I miss how Pika was portrayed in the RGB. In FRLG, he seemed too happy and more like every other pokemon. It would of been better if he shocked Masaki/Bill because the guy picked him up rather than to tell the human who he was. His look to Red when Red was bemoaning his existence will forever creep me out.

    - I dislike most of the Dexholders simply because the way they are written and/or how they never get a chance to develop into actual interesting characters.

    - The way some of the legendaries are portrayed; they seemed less like legends and more like regular and common pokemon. It kinda kills their "status" if it's so easy to get and control them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilchibi_pichu View Post
    - I dislike most of the Dexholders simply because the way they are written and/or how they never get a chance to develop into actual interesting characters.

    - The way some of the legendaries are portrayed; they seemed less like legends and more like regular and common pokemon. It kinda kills their "status" if it's so easy to get and control them.
    Well, for some, they already are interesting characters and get better or worse. But hey, you're millage may vary.

    For legendaries, I think Ghetsis put it best if you ask me:

    A Pokémon, even if it's revered as a deity, is still just a Pokémon.
    In other words, they may be revered as Gods but I wouldn't take the Pastor's word for it. They still have their limits like any other Pokemon even if they're amazing. The legendary moniker comes from how they're rarely ever seen. Of course, it's not like you can just waltz up to any of them and catch one unless you have a Master Ball which are rare themselves. It depends on how the battles are written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Lol the whole "Red and Blue are unbeatable!" crap is bs. People over-glorify those two way too much. Oh, I guess that counts as an unpopular opinion. I mean Emerald, as much as I don't like him, was always shown to be an extremely competent battler. He did manage to complete three of the Battle Frontier facilities' complete challenges, after all. Are you telling me there's no way he could've taken Red or Blue on in the finals and won with all of the battle skills he demonstrated? Bull. Red and Blue aren't untouchable battle gods, I think there's definitely a couple other Pokedex owners who could hold their on in a battle with them. Not to mention Red/Blue had just gotten over being petrified for two/three months, they obviously couldn't have been on their a-game anyway.

    Wow, I just defended how my most disliked character could've beaten my favorite character in a battle. That feels strange.
    Ok, so they aren't umbeatable, whatever. They're still better than Emerald in my eyes. I'm sorry, I just fail to see how Emerald could beat them. I just can't conceive that in my mind. Maybe I'm being too much of a hater here, but yeah... And you did kinda prove my point, they had been petrified for two/three months, they weren't at their best. That's another reason to believe that tournament isn't a good judging tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilchibi_pichu View Post
    What makes it worse is that, at least, Ken was a bit interesting (until he became a good guy, then he was just annoying). Silver didn't really even that. I think Silver was a mixture of good!Ken and Iori/Cody; they're there, but at the same time we barely enough their character or/and are boring to really care. I think Gold was really the only thing that made Silver a little bit interesting. (Sorta like Daisuke/Davis, only a lot better.)
    Lmao @ the bold. You're completely right. And yeah Gold did seem to be a lot like Davis done right, so that's another similarity. If you have the time I'd love to talk more Digimon with you, send me a message or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilchibi_pichu View Post
    I don't mind Yellow being a girl, I just didn't like how big of a role she had gotten because of her powers. If Kusaka really wanted a character with ~powers~, Yellow would of been better as a supporting character like a Guardian or something. Her powers and personality makes her come across off as a Mary Sue to me. Add that the whole Yellow arc made her out to be a severe underdog who can't do anything (lies, I say) and it's painful to read in the Yellow arc. And as you said, she does to have contrived moments (increasing pokemon levels, lol) which makes her character worse each time I see her.

    Yellow must be Kusaka's waifu or something. No other non-villain character is as special as her.
    I don't know, it's just the ponytail really. Once the hat came off, a million sappy shipping fics were born. :| Or that's what it seems like at least. And yeah, I cannot say I really care for her "powers" and it's definitely a Mary Sue-ish trait. Superhuman powers aren't a good fit for Pokemon, that's what the monsters are for. And lol ugh, don't even mention the levels thing. I cringed when I read that part earlier.

    For the record I like Yellow to some degree, I mean I did really like her story arc. She just becomes increasingly annoying to me every time she appears, which is part of the reason why I said she should just be retired earlier. With all of the new characters that we have now, she really is not needed anymore. FRLG would've been completely fine without her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilchibi_pichu View Post
    Bulbapedia says something different, but yours is also a possibility. If what Bulbapedia says is right, then I wouldn't be surprised if Kusaka brought him back simply to deal with the third Dexholder situation and then do something with Mitsuru. Same here, especially when he knocked away pokemon just because of some bullies rather than using them. His whole backstory and the reason for his special ability felt forced.
    Oh well then go with what Bulbapedia says. All I know is that Wally registered himself as the owner of the Pokedex in the magazine run, but that was edited in the volumes (UGH WHY). And I agree that Emerald's whole trauma with being short did feel forced. If I liked him more, I might've cared for his development, but my disdain was so extreme that I don't even care that he got "better."

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilchibi_pichu View Post
    The problem with Crystal is that she has battling skills simply because she needs some to capture pokemon. If she were to go against a good trainer and not a newbie, she'll most likely lose. She doesn't have enough person-vs-person battling experience to be a good at trainer battles because she wasn't written that way. Her skills are more used for figuring out how to overcome pokemon instincts and to use her knowledge on different pokemon. These skills don't/won't always work against strong/creative trainers like the other Dexholders.

    And as TomNamikaze said, her pokemon weren't made for battling. The Emerald arc shows this when Emerald uses them and they get own'd pretty quickly. Emerald was the only reason her pokemon managed to win and if it was Crystal instead, she would of lost quickly.

    I like Crystal and all, but she just isn't a good battler.

    And on that note, I dislike how Kusaka wrote Crystal. She developed way too quickly and made to be a pro way too soon. There's basically nothing he can do with her now (except become a spy for the Professor) other than help fight with the other two boys. Another reason why I hate the GSC arc.
    Agreed with all of this. I never thought of that last paragraph before, but you're right. There wasn't really any development at all when it came to Crystal. She was already a pro capturer before she was even revealed. I guess you could do a story arc where she becomes more of a battler/trainer...but that could be done just as easily with a new and more interesting character. Like what they're doing with White right now.

    I don't really have anything to add to the rest of what you said.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomNamikaze View Post
    Ok, so they aren't umbeatable, whatever. They're still better than Emerald in my eyes. I'm sorry, I just fail to see how Emerald could beat them. I just can't conceive that in my mind. Maybe I'm being too much of a hater here, but yeah... And you did kinda prove my point, they had been petrified for two/three months, they weren't at their best. That's another reason to believe that tournament isn't a good judging tool.

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    Lol I'm not sick, I just kind of like to look at things as objectively as I can. Red and Blue don't stand on their own as completely unbeatable, and if the manga has ever done anything that implies that then you can add that as another point I dislike. It's the same reason I don't like the popular vision of Games!Red being the legendary unbeatable stoic god trainer that nobody could ever compare to. It's just boring. Not to mention invalid since I've beaten him with Gold/Ethan plenty of times and will beat him again with Kyouhei when the new games hit American shores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    My reasons for hating the Ruby & Sapphire chapter only grow after seeing that damn popular vote thing.

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    Internet: But Ruby and Sapphire are in wuv! So that makes it OK!

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    GOD, I hate shipping.
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    #3: I say give it time for the volumes to come out. May I ask why you don't like it?
    The characters, mostly. I like White, but not Black. Part of my dislike of the BW arc stems from the fact that I didn't play the games, and I don't plan to either.

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    I can see where what most fans see Red but he was meant to surpassed it was never meant to be some legendary unbeatable stoic hermit of a Pokemon trainer they people are all to fond of. Off-topic, I know but just had to get it off my chest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    Well, for some, they already are interesting characters and get better or worse. But hey, you're millage may vary.

    In other words, they may be revered as Gods but I wouldn't take the Pastor's word for it. They still have their limits like any other Pokemon even if they're amazing. The legendary moniker comes from how they're rarely ever seen. Of course, it's not like you can just waltz up to any of them and catch one unless you have a Master Ball which are rare themselves. It depends on how the battles are written.
    For me, it's mostly the latter. I've found that most characters tend to be a little interesting at first only to get worse. For example, Ruby is one that gets worse, but for a few others they just don't go anywhere, weren't interesting, and stay boring like Silver.

    Good Ghetsis quote, it fits how the villains think quite well. Though, I don't really believe they're gods but rather very powerful pokemon that are one-of-a-kind. The problem is that we don't always see how they're captured and they just appear with barely a comment. For instance, Lila/Anabel suddenly appears with Raikou and there's barely a comment on it. Another example is that Latio/as are working and friends with Emerald for almost no reason. No resistance, no struggle to control them, nothing. I can understand limits, but such things were just recently shown. Before then, they really did come off as regular pokemon like the common pikachuu. Heck, Pika resisted Red more than half of the legendaries shown. The best and my favorite was how Kyogre and Groudon were written, with Giratina as the runner-up. Rather than have two puny humans controlled them or being completely mindless, they control the humans and talk using them showing they aren't just mindless fighting beasts. Sure it could of been a bit better, but it really gave a sense that the legendaries are a force to be reckoned with if you take that risk. I like when the legendaries aren't push-overs and have minds of their own so they can rebel if they so wanted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Lmao @ the bold. You're completely right. And yeah Gold did seem to be a lot like Davis done right, so that's another similarity. If you have the time I'd love to talk more Digimon with you, send me a message or something.
    Somehow that just makes me love Gold more. Sure, I would love to talk!

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    I don't know, it's just the ponytail really. Once the hat came off, a million sappy shipping fics were born. :| Or that's what it seems like at least. And yeah, I cannot say I really care for her "powers" and it's definitely a Mary Sue-ish trait. Superhuman powers aren't a good fit for Pokemon, that's what the monsters are for. And lol ugh, don't even mention the levels thing. I cringed when I read that part earlier.

    For the record I like Yellow to some degree, I mean I did really like her story arc. She just becomes increasingly annoying to me every time she appears, which is part of the reason why I said she should just be retired earlier. With all of the new characters that we have now, she really is not needed anymore. FRLG would've been completely fine without her.
    And I can really believe that happening with lots of holy music in the background. Uggh. Agreed; I don't mind the humans having super skills and abilities, but the powers were pretty out of place and overall pointless. I see, well, it's okay if you like her. I do like the whole "E4 being evil, but not really" and the focus on Pika and his issues aspects, I just don't like her as character. I feel that other characters like Green would of been better for the arc. I certainly wouldn't mind her retiring forever. It would be nice, actually. Heh, I would even say that GSC could of been fine without her with a little rewriting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Oh well then go with what Bulbapedia says. All I know is that Wally registered himself as the owner of the Pokedex in the magazine run, but that was edited in the volumes (UGH WHY). And I agree that Emerald's whole trauma with being short did feel forced. If I liked him more, I might've cared for his development, but my disdain was so extreme that I don't even care that he got "better."
    Oh really? That's news to me! I had no idea he was ever a owner, but I'm not surprised. I mean, it's not like the Pokedexes can't be restored to their default, pffft. Man, Mitsuru always gets the short of the stick. Maybe, but I had actually liked him a bit before his whole backstory popped up and I still couldn't bring myself to care. It's just too forced and bad. Frankly, I see Emerald as a lost cause, haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Agreed with all of this. I never thought of that last paragraph before, but you're right. There wasn't really any development at all when it came to Crystal. She was already a pro capturer before she was even revealed. I guess you could do a story arc where she becomes more of a battler/trainer...but that could be done just as easily with a new and more interesting character. Like what they're doing with White right now.
    Yeah, I much rather have White become one. I want Crystal to stay as a capturer since it's unique, I just wish there would one day be a GSC rewrite/remake (PokeSpe, not the games). That way Kusaka can actually have her learn to capture and slowly become a pro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Lol I'm not sick, I just kind of like to look at things as objectively as I can. Red and Blue don't stand on their own as completely unbeatable, and if the manga has ever done anything that implies that then you can add that as another point I dislike. It's the same reason I don't like the popular vision of Games!Red being the legendary unbeatable stoic god trainer that nobody could ever compare to. It's just boring. Not to mention invalid since I've beaten him with Gold/Ethan plenty of times and will beat him again with Kyouhei when the new games hit American shores.
    I like that vision of game!Red because he can be pretty interesting when he does loses. That and I like stoic characters since they can be fun to mess with with characters like game!Green and Hibiki and tend to be darn cool. Though, he would be hard to make likeable if it wasn't for these characters, I'll admit.

    On that note, I hate how Red and Green's rivalry was handled in PokeSpe. I like rivalries as they not make the characters more fun to watch/read, it also helps in the development. It would of helped those two be a lot better characters and, at least, the bickering would make up for the rest of their lackluster personalities. Their friendship (if you can call it that), as shown in FRLG and GSC, is just meh. Below average.

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    The characters, mostly. I like White, but not Black. Part of my dislike of the BW arc stems from the fact that I didn't play the games, and I don't plan to either.
    I see, I see. From the little I've seen, I don't like Black (or White yet) too much either. You may not be alone yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pika09 View Post
    The characters, mostly. I like White, but not Black. Part of my dislike of the BW arc stems from the fact that I didn't play the games, and I don't plan to either.
    Pardon my curiosity, but why is Black your avvie if you don't like him or his arc, and have never played his game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Izanagi View Post
    I can see where what most fans see Red but he was meant to surpassed it was never meant to be some legendary unbeatable stoic hermit of a Pokemon trainer they people are all to fond of. Off-topic, I know but just had to get it off my chest.
    I hate the popular viewpoint of Game!Red. Whenever I see one of those "badass" fanart poses of Red on Deviantart or whatever I die a little inside. I just prefer to see him as a more happy-go-lucky person, rather than a kid with a permanent scowl. That's depressing as hell. I like to think of him being almost exactly like his manga counterpart, actually. That's probably why Manga!Red is my favorite character.

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    Good Ghetsis quote, it fits how the villains think quite well. Though, I don't really believe they're gods but rather very powerful pokemon that are one-of-a-kind. The problem is that we don't always see how they're captured and they just appear with barely a comment. For instance, Lila/Anabel suddenly appears with Raikou and there's barely a comment on it. Another example is that Latio/as are working and friends with Emerald for almost no reason. No resistance, no struggle to control them, nothing. I can understand limits, but such things were just recently shown. Before then, they really did come off as regular pokemon like the common pikachuu. Heck, Pika resisted Red more than half of the legendaries shown. The best and my favorite was how Kyogre and Groudon were written, with Giratina as the runner-up. Rather than have two puny humans controlled them or being completely mindless, they control the humans and talk using them showing they aren't just mindless fighting beasts. Sure it could of been a bit better, but it really gave a sense that the legendaries are a force to be reckoned with if you take that risk. I like when the legendaries aren't push-overs and have minds of their own so they can rebel if they so wanted.
    You have some good viewpoints here. Given me a little bit more to think about. I never cared for Latias or Latios' role in the manga at all, but on the other hand I have no clue how I'd improve them either.

    Speaking of Anabel btw, I didn't really like how they made her the "leader" of the Frontier Brains. To me, Brandon suits that role better. But instead they made him a butt monkey to Emerald...

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilchibi_pichu View Post
    Somehow that just makes me love Gold more. Sure, I would love to talk!
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    And I can really believe that happening with lots of holy music in the background. Uggh. Agreed; I don't mind the humans having super skills and abilities, but the powers were pretty out of place and overall pointless. I see, well, it's okay if you like her. I do like the whole "E4 being evil, but not really" and the focus on Pika and his issues aspects, I just don't like her as character. I feel that other characters like Green would of been better for the arc. I certainly wouldn't mind her retiring forever. It would be nice, actually. Heh, I would even say that GSC could of been fine without her with a little rewriting.
    LOL @ the bold. Why does the Viridian Forest have those special "powers" to give people, anyway? Was that ever explained? Probably not. And don't worry about breaking my heart or anything lol, like I said I like Yellow to some degree but she's still extremely low tier as far rankings go. Probably in my bottom five of the main characters.

    Oh and I enjoyed the Elite Four being villains as well. It was interesting. I don't think Blue (assuming you mean the boy) would've fit as the hero of the Yellow arc, though. If they were getting rid of Red, I think it was necessary to create a new character to serve as Yellow's protagonist. Ergo, Yellow was needed at the time, but she's not really needed anymore. In my opinion, at least.

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    Oh really? That's news to me! I had no idea he was ever a owner, but I'm not surprised. I mean, it's not like the Pokedexes can't be restored to their default, pffft. Man, Mitsuru always gets the short of the stick. Maybe, but I had actually liked him a bit before his whole backstory popped up and I still couldn't bring myself to care. It's just too forced and bad. Frankly, I see Emerald as a lost cause, haha.
    Well that was only in the magazine run, the volumes rewrote history so that Oak registered Emerald as the Pokedex's owner beforehand (for reasons that seem completely illogical to me...again, silly senile old man). You can still pick out the exact panel where Wally originally registered himself---it was on accident, after he collapsed on the Pokedex after reaching Sky Pillar's 50th floor. It just spews bogus error messages in the volume.

    And Emerald is a lost cause, exactly. Nothing they could do can ever make me like him.

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    I like that vision of game!Red because he can be pretty interesting when he does loses. That and I like stoic characters since they can be fun to mess with with characters like game!Green and Hibiki and tend to be darn cool. Though, he would be hard to make likeable if it wasn't for these characters, I'll admit.

    On that note, I hate how Red and Green's rivalry was handled in PokeSpe. I like rivalries as they not make the characters more fun to watch/read, it also helps in the development. It would of helped those two be a lot better characters and, at least, the bickering would make up for the rest of their lackluster personalities. Their friendship (if you can call it that), as shown in FRLG and GSC, is just meh. Below average.

    I see, I see. From the little I've seen, I don't like Black (or White yet) too much either. You may not be alone yet.
    I like stoic characters as well, I just don't think Game!Red fits as one. Like I said earlier in this post, I prefer to see him as more like his manga counterpart. Although I guess the whole thing about the silent protagonist is that we're supposed to decide what their personality is supposed to be like for ourselves, so eh.

    I agree with you here. Their whole "best friend" thing during FRLG was extremely awkward. It probably would've worked better if Blue had his game personality in the manga. His game personality is soooo much better than his boring serious guy demeanor in Adventures. -____-

    Poor Black. Don't worry buddy, I still love you. <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by e9310103838 View Post
    Crys whether replaced Lyra is decision by Kusaka......
    Oh, I never consider that. Sorry

    So..... So many things About Adventures Huh. Well I could add some more

    From ReBurst
    1. I personally think that The Protagonist Girl is just somekind of Mary Sue. I mean she just another character that become somekind of addition so FanBoys could enjoy it. No, Her naivity is worse than any other character in ReBurst and nobody or nothing can make me like her

    2. They should make more character developement about th Girl. Ryouga makes pretty good character and I like that. That Girl is just an additional Character that only makes thing not really cool

    From Adventures (Again)

    1. White is more like a "Cute" person rather in games which display her as a "Badass Girl". Look at her Eyes. That's why I still like her shipping with N, Even in Manga.

    2. Is Black is somekind of referrencing this person.

    3. Prof Elm didn't make any Darn appearance. HGSS arc filled it with Gym Leaders appearance and no place for Prof Elm and Pryce(An Irony)

    4. Pryce after all what makes me interested in any Ice types and Leaders because he is kinda Anti-Villain. And he do it with love. However with any other Gym leaders appear he didn't :<. Well I just want him to be good guys after all that's how I like it

    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    And well, Professor Oak was the one who gave Crystal the Pokedex and the capturing job, so it makes more sense for her to be his assitant rather than Elm, whom she never really associated with at all. Besides, Elm already had an assitant--Joey.
    Well, He didn't help him with Spiky Eared Pichu things. And of course Prof Oak is the one that give her a Pokedex . But yeah I think you are right, But Poor Prof Elm cannot make Gold his Assistant because of his nature. I hope someone who is crucial in this manga filled that place. Only Joey, I don't think that's enough.

    Battling and capturing wild pokemon is not the same as battling trainers. In a straight up brawl with another trainer who focuses on battling, Crystal would lose. She just wasn't a battler. She was a capture specialist and apparently now a researcher.
    That's why she lose against Blue in Battle Frontier battle. I like her overall exept her blue hair and totally serious demeanor. She didn't have any blue hair expet after GSC. Which makes her pretty bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Pardon my curiosity, but why is Black your avvie if you don't like him or his arc, and have never played his game?



    I hate the popular viewpoint of Game!Red. Whenever I see one of those "badass" fanart poses of Red on Deviantart or whatever I die a little inside. I just prefer to see him as a more happy-go-lucky person, rather than a kid with a permanent scowl. That's depressing as hell. I like to think of him being almost exactly like his manga counterpart, actually. That's probably why Manga!Red is my favorite character.



    You have some good viewpoints here. Given me a little bit more to think about. I never cared for Latias or Latios' role in the manga at all, but on the other hand I have no clue how I'd improve them either.

    Speaking of Anabel btw, I didn't really like how they made her the "leader" of the Frontier Brains. To me, Brandon suits that role better. But instead they made him a butt monkey to Emerald...



    Great, I guess I'll send you a message in the morning if you haven't sent one to me first by then.



    LOL @ the bold. Why does the Viridian Forest have those special "powers" to give people, anyway? Was that ever explained? Probably not. And don't worry about breaking my heart or anything lol, like I said I like Yellow to some degree but she's still extremely low tier as far rankings go. Probably in my bottom five of the main characters.

    Oh and I enjoyed the Elite Four being villains as well. It was interesting. I don't think Blue (assuming you mean the boy) would've fit as the hero of the Yellow arc, though. If they were getting rid of Red, I think it was necessary to create a new character to serve as Yellow's protagonist. Ergo, Yellow was needed at the time, but she's not really needed anymore. In my opinion, at least.



    Well that was only in the magazine run, the volumes rewrote history so that Oak registered Emerald as the Pokedex's owner beforehand (for reasons that seem completely illogical to me...again, silly senile old man). You can still pick out the exact panel where Wally originally registered himself---it was on accident, after he collapsed on the Pokedex after reaching Sky Pillar's 50th floor. It just spews bogus error messages in the volume.

    And Emerald is a lost cause, exactly. Nothing they could do can ever make me like him.



    I like stoic characters as well, I just don't think Game!Red fits as one. Like I said earlier in this post, I prefer to see him as more like his manga counterpart. Although I guess the whole thing about the silent protagonist is that we're supposed to decide what their personality is supposed to be like for ourselves, so eh.

    I agree with you here. Their whole "best friend" thing during FRLG was extremely awkward. It probably would've worked better if Blue had his game personality in the manga. His game personality is soooo much better than his boring serious guy demeanor in Adventures. -____-

    Poor Black. Don't worry buddy, I still love you. <3
    I also dislike the whole view on Game Red as being this unbeatable trainer. I thought I was the only one who dies on the inside when I see him with this emotionless look on his face. Not to mention all the people who suck up to him saying he's unbeatable. Could have sworn Gold/Ethan, when playable, defeated him. I prefer Red to be the happy good guy as well as opposed to the no emotion "cool" trainer that Deviantart mostly portray him.

    I will admit it was weird that Anabel was the leader of the Frontier Brains, I personally would have thought Spencer would have been the leader...maybe because he has that stereotype wiseman look to him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Pardon my curiosity, but why is Black your avvie if you don't like him or his arc, and have never played his game?
    Eh, I can't find any other interesting avi.

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    Firstly, I agree about Yellow. I found the entire arc a waste. In fact, I'm really, really glad that I'm /not/ the only one who sees Yellow as a Mary Sue. With all that healing abilities and being able to read a Pokemon's mind? Obviously. She would have been a better character if she was a perfectly normal human with no special power; perhaps making use of potions instead.
    To be honest, I LOVE the GSC arc. It's possibly because Crystal was the first game I played, but I found the part where Crystal took the main spotlight in the GSC arc annoying as well. I was impatiently reading through it just to see Gold and Silver return. Suicune was a total, unneeded filler. It didn't have to spend that much time just to look for a trainer, did it? I didn't like the fact that Pryce was the Masked Man and all as well. Could've been someone else with a completely different intention.
    I dislike the fact that Emerald became the third Hoenn Pokedex holder and Wally totally deserved it, but looking through the thread, I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.

    And finally one that hasn't been mentioned yet: I've never liked Sird. I don't know, I just dislike her. She just shows up almost everywhere as a villain. It's starting to get a little too annoying for me. The part where she turned the 5 Pokedex holders into stones wasn't too interesting either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fake Psychic View Post
    But yeah I think you are right, But Poor Prof Elm cannot make Gold his Assistant because of his nature. I hope someone who is crucial in this manga filled that place. Only Joey, I don't think that's enough.
    Well I'd rather not someone 'crucial' to the manga (assuming you mean a dex owner) be Professor Elm's assistant. They have more important and interesting things to do, like saving dah wurld from overpowered legendaries and psychotic villains. Not everyone is a boring girl with no personality and nothing else to do like Crystal. Besides, Joey is a fine character. I kinda wish his role had been expanded more tbh, I enjoyed seeing him interacting with Gold near the beginning of GSC. His Rattata is in the top percentage after all! XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirisame Marisa View Post
    And finally one that hasn't been mentioned yet: I've never liked Sird. I don't know, I just dislike her. She just shows up almost everywhere as a villain. It's starting to get a little too annoying for me. The part where she turned the 5 Pokedex holders into stones wasn't too interesting either.
    What are you talking about? That part was awesome. Definitely one of the times the manga completely floored me, I loved it. The fact that FRLG is the only arc where the heroes really 'lost' in some way (making it stand out a lot more) makes it even better. Plus, it provided a great sequal hook to Emerald. Without Red and co. being turned into statues, there really would've been no reason for them (or Gold and Crystal) to appear in the Emerald arc.

    I don't really care much for Sird any more, though. If her storyline is finished in HGSS, I'll be fine with it, but I don't want it to go any further than that. She has no business in the BW storyline, and if she's in cahoots with Ghetsis in any way I'll probably scream.

    What did everyone think of the 'titles' silly senile Professor Oak gave to the original seven Pokedex holders at the end of GSC? I have mixed feelings about it, but overall I found them unnecessary. The one that bugs me the most is Green being the 'evolver.' She never displayed any special knowledge about evolution beforehand (in fact, she never even EVOLVED most of her Pokemon until FRLG, for no good reason I might add), and it just feels like she was just given that skill randomly and it was only elaborated upon in future arcs. Silver being the trader is a close second. How is trading some kind of special skill that needs to be mastered? :S

    Last one. I really didn't like the obsession over the so-called "ultimate attacks" in FRLG and the end of Emerald. I don't like those attacks anyway, and I hated seeing Red, Blue, and Green over-rely on them so much during FRLG. It's like they forgot Venusuar, Charizard, and Blastoise could learn any other attack, and it even struck me as ooc for someone like Blue. The whole "Take this! Triple Finish!" thing at the end of Emerald was badass, but I don't want to see the "ultimate attacks" be an important plot point ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    What are you talking about? That part was awesome. Definitely one of the times the manga completely floored me, I loved it. The fact that FRLG is the only arc where the heroes really 'lost' in some way (making it stand out a lot more) makes it even better. Plus, it provided a great sequal hook to Emerald. Without Red and co. being turned into statues, there really would've been no reason for them (or Gold and Crystal) to appear in the Emerald arc.

    I don't really care much for Sird any more, though. If her storyline is finished in HGSS, I'll be fine with it, but I don't want it to go any further than that. She has no business in the BW storyline, and if she's in cahoots with Ghetsis in any way I'll probably scream.

    What did everyone think of the 'titles' silly senile Professor Oak gave to the original seven Pokedex holders at the end of GSC? I have mixed feelings about it, but overall I found them unnecessary. The one that bugs me the most is Green being the 'evolver.' She never displayed any special knowledge about evolution beforehand (in fact, she never even EVOLVED most of her Pokemon until FRLG, for no good reason I might add), and it just feels like she was just given that skill randomly and it was only elaborated upon in future arcs. Silver being the trader is a close second. How is trading some kind of special skill that needs to be mastered? :S

    Last one. I really didn't like the obsession over the so-called "ultimate attacks" in FRLG and the end of Emerald. I don't like those attacks anyway, and I hated seeing Red, Blue, and Green over-rely on them so much during FRLG. It's like they forgot Venusuar, Charizard, and Blastoise could learn any other attack, and it even struck me as ooc for someone like Blue. The whole "Take this! Triple Finish!" thing at the end of Emerald was badass, but I don't want to see the "ultimate attacks" be an important plot point ever again.
    About Sird: Yeah, I agree to the fact that it did give a good reason for the Emerald arc.
    Then again, I'm the one that loves happy endings, so that unexpected ending didn't catch me well at all.
    God, that'd be very uncreative and way more ridiculous than it'd be.

    About the titles: I agree. They ended up being useless, anyway. Seeing how the Pokedex owners starting from the 3rd gen didn't even get titles for themselves, it's been rendered useless. My guess is that the creators were trying to come up with something Prof. Oak would write to make Gold realise his ability or something. Either that or my memory has been rather dusty. Haven't re-read in awhile. The Evolver and Trader confused me, too.

    About the Ultimate Attacks: I did like that, but you have a point there that it won't be a nice important plot ever again. It's like Kusaka... Not sure how to phrase it, threw something "big" a little too early? It won't be pleasant if it's used again.

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    ^ I like happy endings better too, but I also love to see my favorite characters get into some horrible situations because I'm a sadist like that. The petrification is one of my favorite moments in the manga.

    As for the ultimate attacks, I didn't mind them learning the moves or anything, I just didn't like Red and co. over-relying on them. It just seemed like a rookie mistake for such alsom trainers like Red or Blue. They weren't thrown in too early, though. They were thrown in because they were introduced in FRLG (the games).

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    For Yellow, her talking to Pokemon power alone would've been fine but her other powers were pretty overkill. I don't hate her but I feel like she could've been better handled. Her arc was pretty hit and miss for me.

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    The overuse of the Ultimate Attacks was kinda lame. I mean I liked that they learned them but I wish they wouldn't spam them. Don't Gold and Silver Hydro Cannon and Blast Burn in HGSS as well? At least in the magazine version I heard they did. They should only use the Ultimate Attacks in extreme measures and make them feel actually special or something like that.
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    Wow, so I'm not the only one who thinks Yellow is a Sue.

    My gripe with the Manga's popularity is how some think the manga cast are stronger than the anime cast. If the manga cast were developed better and everyone (Anime) were developed, they be evenly matched.

    Plus my view on Platina is she was a bit of a snob in the begining

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    When people say the Manga cast is stronger then the Anime cast, while it is debatable I suppose it's a matter of opinion. It doesn't bother me because to a certain extent I agree. It's only annoying when full out anime bashing comes into play. Now that is annoying and there's no reason to hate on it.

    Platinum was a snobby brat and the begining. It was her personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    The overuse of the Ultimate Attacks was kinda lame. I mean I liked that they learned them but I wish they wouldn't spam them. Don't Gold and Silver Hydro Cannon and Blast Burn in HGSS as well? At least in the magazine version I heard they did. They should only use the Ultimate Attacks in extreme measures and make them feel actually special or something like that.
    Yeah, I guess spamming them would've been better wording. It just feels like such a "LOL noob!" move. Not fitting for such amazing~ trainers like Red or Blue.

    Oh and I hate the name 'Platina.' It just sounds awkward and terrible to me. And I think the logic of using it instead of Platinum because it sounds more 'feminine' is almost comical. Putting an 'a' at the end of something does not automatically make it sound more feminine.

    As for a new topic, is there any Pokemon on a certain character's team that you wish they ddn't have (or vice versa)? I always thought Gyarados for Red was extremely redundant. He already had Poliwrath for a water-type, and was about to get Aerodactyl as a Flying type (and Gyarados is only a Flying type in name only anyway...). What can Gyarados do that both of them together can't do? He should either be given back to Misty or rot in the box imo, and Espeon needs to stay on Red's team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedy Spyze View Post
    Yeah, I guess spamming them would've been better wording. It just feels like such a "LOL noob!" move. Not fitting for such amazing~ trainers like Red or Blue.

    Oh and I hate the name 'Platina.' It just sounds awkward and terrible to me. And I think the logic of using it instead of Platinum because it sounds more 'feminine' is almost comical. Putting an 'a' at the end of something does not automatically make it sound more feminine.

    As for a new topic, is there any Pokemon on a certain character's team that you wish they ddn't have (or vice versa)? I always thought Gyarados for Red was extremely redundant. He already had Poliwrath for a water-type, and was about to get Aerodactyl as a Flying type (and Gyarados is only a Flying type in name only anyway...). What can Gyarados do that both of them together can't do? He should either be given back to Misty or rot in the box imo, and Espeon needs to stay on Red's team.
    I admit I use to call her Platina when I first joined. Now I just call her Platinum. Platinum just sounds better overall anyway. I don't mind when people call her that but I broke out of the habit awhile ago.

    The spamming of the ultimate moves is kinda why I'm glad the Sinnoh Trio didn't pick it up. Because there really isn't any stronger moves for starters to learn other then the Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, and Hydro Cannon.

    As for Gyarados, it was alright by me. True I like Espeon more but Gyarados never bothered me. For some reason though I always could see Red getting a Growlithe on his team.
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    Doesn't one of the holders have a Regi, that should go. Others should have a legendary.

    Ever heard of Pokespe meets Anime! Worst characterization for the manga cast and Anime cas t. Made me hate Silver, Emerald, and Blue before I decided to develop them myself

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