"played for laughs. can't believe you took it to another level though and added calcs on it."
If Pokemon Adventures was pure fantasy, then I could roll with some of the elements that I complain about, but because it tries to be science fiction, I have to complain. Guess what? Science Fiction fans are hard core. We like geeky things like physics and science. We like when the author thinks through the physics and properties of his universe. We don't mind differences in physics, but we want to be told how it all works and for it to be portrayed in a consistent manner. If we are never told about a difference in physics and how it all works, then we have to assume that the physics are the same as ours (like I have said before, genre is not an argument for the creation of the suspension of disbelief). When thing are wrong with the physics of the universe, we like to examine them and find out how and why. That is just how we roll.
Just because something is played for laughs does not make it okay. The exact same scenario was done in Wreck It Ralph and I didn't laugh there either (even though everyone else in the theater did). Fiction exist so that we have something to aspire too, and if the protagonist in fiction do things that are (morally or physically) wrong, even if it is played for laughs, then there is a problem.
I'll admit this much: Pokemon (Special or otherwise) certain does take science (at certain points) and beats it with an aluminum bat. A major offender being Yellow's lava surf.
And Agatha can change Arbok's pattern, Lorelei can use Jynx make the ice doll then use the lipstick give them frozen, Masked Man can use Swinub make the ice man not dissolved and even can move itself. We even have Kanto badges with mysterious power.
^Well, yeah, them too.
I think we can all admit that the science behind Pokemon Special is pretty much non-existent. It makes pining its genre so much harder. It is not science fiction since the science (even the science of its own universe) is wrong, it is not sci-fi since it at least TRIES to explain itself and to have internal dialogues, and it isn't fantasy since it can't use "any" story-telling element to strengthen its narrative (that is to say, it is limited in what it can and can't do with its narrative). You could make an argument for why it is either sci-fi or fantasy if you really tried, but it is hard to do so because it tries (and fails) to be science fiction, sci-fi, and fantasy all at the same time.
Seriously, if you have to criticize Crys kicking Gold in the face, you'll really scrapping the bottom of the barrel of what to criticize. Criticize the other zillion things that suck in PokeSpe that require the effort like the characterization or the story-telling; the discussion on Crys' character was going good until that was brought up. Just because you didn't find it funny doesn't mean it's a problem worth criticizing over, it's another Japanese trope that means nothing to anything. A girl hitting a guy has always been played for laughs as it's a "funny"/"cute" way to show that she's embarrassed. She probably has control of her leg strength as well, so I doubt she kicked him with her full strength.
I consider it a little fantasy due to pokemon and the legends and myths that turn out to be true in some way, but mostly Adventure/Action. That seems to be a major priority as the plot revolves around there being an adventure with lots of action.
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It's based off of a video game, Pokémon no less. So does it really need to have science? Plus it's a kids manga too... I think you're being way too hard on it.
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It's Pokemon, I don't see any reason to be so bothered by it. Yellow using Pika's Surf to surf on water made total sense to me and seemed very cool.
It's lava. Just by being that close to it, Yellow should've been burned. She doesn't even need to come in contact with it.
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Pokemon Special does try to explain things though. Take a look at the aura thing in DP and all of the talk about the physics behind Pokemon moves. It also has all of the elements of science fiction:
1) A time setting in the future, in alternative timelines, or in a historical past that contradicts known facts of history or the archaeological record (the entire Pokemon universe).
2) A spatial setting or scenes in outer space, on other worlds, or on subterranean earth (Pokemon Adventures goes to all of these places).
3) Characters that include aliens, mutants, androids, or humanoid robots.
Futuristic technology such as ray guns, teleportation machines, and humanoid computers (Pokemon Adventures has aliens, androids, and futuristic technology).
4) Scientific principles that are new or that contradict accepted laws of nature, for example time travel, wormholes, or faster-than-light travel (instant teleportation of living organisms, the wormhole into the Distortion World, and time travel).
5) New and different political or social systems (it is never outright stated that there are different political systems in Pokemon Adventures, but we do know that it has a very different social system).
6) Paranormal abilities such as mind control, telepathy, telekinesis, and teleportation (Pokemon Adventures has all of these).
7) Other universes or dimensions and travel between them (the Distortion World).
So I guess that is another unpopular opinion: I don't like how Pokemon Adventures cannot decide if it is of the Science Fiction, Sci-Fi, or Fantasy genre.
Really Trutown? That's your beef with PokeSpe? In that case, I can safely say that you must not like the games either, considering every single one of those points are in them.
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Well, he's an one you won't see much of: I like Yellow and her arc for whatever it may be worth (minus a few details). In addition, I don't really mind the "lack of character development" if I like the character itself. Maybe they don't change but I say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only exception to this would be Gold who could've benefited from it.
My opinion about the Black/White saga of PokeSpecial is that it just isn't nearly as riveting as the previous arcs. I own volumes 1-26 (haven't read the Emerald / DPPT / HGSS ones yet) but have recently read a bunch of the BW chapters, and am shocked at how lackluster they are compared to volumes 1-26. I mean, after the story of Red/Blue/Green who have that epic-has-hell battle in the Silph tower, or Yellow who can heal Pokemon with her powers and goes up against a homocidal dragon Elite Four member, or Ruby and Sapphire whose family & friends die in the Kyogre & Groudon battle and are brought back thanks to Celebi, reading a story about a boy who simply wants to go the Pokemon League & a girl who wants to do Pokemon musicals but sort of gets into battling just isn't capturing me the same way. Team Plasma doesn't even seem that threatening in these series, and when they unleash Reshiram & Zekrom, they barely seem to wreak much havoc at all. I dunno, after all the beautifully witty scenes that Hidenori Kusaka has thought up in the previous arcs, these BW chapters just seem to come so far underneath the bar I'm very very surprised. it seems like he's just phoning this one in to me.
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Are we allowed to talk about other Pokemon manga?
What about comics?
If so, I must say that I kinda like Pikachu Meets the Press. Now I haven't read all of it, and the art is sloppy, but it had some cute/funny stuff.
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