Even though it's meant to be played for laughs.Originally Posted by Honeyichigo
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Even though it's meant to be played for laughs.
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Exactly. If we take the evidence we have and look at how far she can kick a pokeball, how much power she can put behind it doing so, and how much accuracy she has with propulsion, we can see how much strength she has in her legs.
Let's take a look at her attempt on Lugia. Crystal was at ground level when she kicked the ball. Lugia is seventeen and one tenths feet tall (approximately 5.2 meters tall). Let's assume that she is twenty feet away at the least and that Lugia is standing straight up (a 90 degree angle). She would have to kick the ball 26.3 feet up in the air at a 70.74 degree angle.
Now we don't actually have the extra numbers to find the amount of force behind the kick (we don't have the mass of a pokeball, how fast she accelerated it [though it would have to be pretty fast], the velocity of her kick, or how stiff her body was at the time), but we can get some other observations. The picture seems to show it moving at a fast and constant rate. She is a smaller person than an average soccer/football player (since she is eleven), so the acceleration and velocity of her kicks would be higher than a regular person.
Even without all of the data, we can conclude that she has incredible strength in her legs. Kicking someone with that strong of a leg wouldn't necessarily break someone's bones, but it would leave a very large bruse. After the doing it for the first time, you would think that she would realize that she can really hurt someone doing that and stop.
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"Played for laughs" does not always mean "funny" or "okay". In fact, it often enough is something that hasn't been thought out very well at all and is becomes creepy or unsettling when you actually think about it. See, for example, all those bad harem-comedy series where the girls punch the one guy through walls or whatever and no one ever cares.
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Must be a cultural thing with lots of Anime/Manga doing it. Eh, I'm never one to take things like these so seriously (though I hate how overused they can get).
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Are we talking about Crystal still? The last thing I read was Crystal kicking Gold in the face. I thought it was done for humor reasons. Is there another reason behind the kick that I missed? You guys have been typing really long and detailed stuff on...whatever that I couldn't follow.
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Lol what is wrong with you guys? The kick is comedic, lol. Also, this IS Pokemon. Not the real world.
This is a a manga guys. No need to throw in the calcs or anything.
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Yes, it's humor just for this......
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if that's the case then i say your professor is a hipster.
and i say you are a really contradictory person. i'm really laughing now. i mean seriously, you say you respect other cultures, but you condemn them for their practices that in your eyes seem wrong. there's something wrong with that. girls hitting guys in a comedic fashion has always been played for laughs in asian (particularly japanese) culture and it's no different in pokespe.
it's like telling gordon ramsay, 15 michelin starred chef, that his food sucks because he's an arsehole. it has no basis whatsoever in context yet you still do it because you can. double standard much? does his attitude translate to how good the food he prepares is? does it make sense, that you "respect other cultures" but you condemn their practices which are part of their culture? you would be a very very bad diplomat trutown.
crystal kicking gold is played for humor, that's it. it's part of her personality, it's part of who she is. we've strayed far from our topic, it seems we're treading on dangerous moral middle ground here lol. it's a minefield, and it's partly my fault for laying them.
i'll provide another example: arabs at work hate people who do a great job and passing the credit to another. at japan meanwhile, workers love that. if i were to do a series about a factory worker who saves his company by pulling the strings from behind the shadows and sell them to the middle east, my series would certainly fail. if i sold it in japan the opposite would most likely happen. THIS is called the difference between cultures, and i know you'll understand. this is a generalization btw, with all things constant, before you throw me under the bus.
my points again are:
-crystal has a developed personality, no two ways about it.
-nothing is absolute, character development included. fiction-wise, the only things absolute are the ones that can be measured (grammar, spelling, format). nothing else.
-pokespe is made for kids, which is why your interpretation of "bodily harm" doesn't work when it's played for laughs. i don't see any japanese feminist movement petitioning whoever's publishing pokespe to shut it down because of gold's supposed broken bones.
-ronald weasley had a reset button. rowling pressed it in book seven. are you going to say he's not a developed character too?
tl;dr you're reading too much into this .. but what can i say, i'm getting the impression you don't read everything i type anyway. i feel sad but hey this is the internet. for all i know you're trolling me, and if you are you're doing a great, great job.
played for laughs. can't believe you took it to another level though and added calcs on it.
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In fact, Crystal's legs not pose a problem completely, taking into account PMSP has a lot of people of strange force, like Ruby (he pulled Mr. Briney only one hand), Sapphire (she pulled Ruby), Mr. Briney (he fished three Wailmers at the same time), Gold, Silver (they take turns carried Jasmine when they are 11 years old, run, and throw her), etc. lol
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@jasper222 I like this guy. He can be rude and stand-off but I admire how he doesn't give in. I wish I had such tenacity and way with words when it comes to these kind of matters.
@Trutown & @Honeyichigo You must really hate a lot of cartoons then.
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Nah, only the cruddy ones. :P
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Oh, I like Cartoons, but only super hero cartoons. That is why I like Pokemon Adventures, it is basically a super hero comic.The only anime that I actually like is Full Metal Alchemist, and I complain about the same things in that that I complain about here. Other than cartoons, I prefer things like Doctor Who. You know, hard core science fiction.
"played for laughs. can't believe you took it to another level though and added calcs on it."
If Pokemon Adventures was pure fantasy, then I could roll with some of the elements that I complain about, but because it tries to be science fiction, I have to complain. Guess what? Science Fiction fans are hard core. We like geeky things like physics and science. We like when the author thinks through the physics and properties of his universe. We don't mind differences in physics, but we want to be told how it all works and for it to be portrayed in a consistent manner. If we are never told about a difference in physics and how it all works, then we have to assume that the physics are the same as ours (like I have said before, genre is not an argument for the creation of the suspension of disbelief). When thing are wrong with the physics of the universe, we like to examine them and find out how and why. That is just how we roll.
Just because something is played for laughs does not make it okay. The exact same scenario was done in Wreck It Ralph and I didn't laugh there either (even though everyone else in the theater did). Fiction exist so that we have something to aspire too, and if the protagonist in fiction do things that are (morally or physically) wrong, even if it is played for laughs, then there is a problem.
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I'll admit this much: Pokemon (Special or otherwise) certain does take science (at certain points) and beats it with an aluminum bat. A major offender being Yellow's lava surf.
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Why do you not say Onix obviously dispersed but revive later? XD
And Agatha can change Arbok's pattern, Lorelei can use Jynx make the ice doll then use the lipstick give them frozen, Masked Man can use Swinub make the ice man not dissolved and even can move itself. We even have Kanto badges with mysterious power.
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^Well, yeah, them too.
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Those are some examples that I hadn't thought about yet. Thanks.Why do you not say Onix obviously dispersed but revive later? XD
And Agatha can change Arbok's pattern, Lorelei can use Jynx make the ice doll then use the lipstick give them frozen, Masked Man can use Swinub make the ice man not dissolved and even can move itself. We even have Kanto badges with mysterious power.
I think we can all admit that the science behind Pokemon Special is pretty much non-existent. It makes pining its genre so much harder. It is not science fiction since the science (even the science of its own universe) is wrong, it is not sci-fi since it at least TRIES to explain itself and to have internal dialogues, and it isn't fantasy since it can't use "any" story-telling element to strengthen its narrative (that is to say, it is limited in what it can and can't do with its narrative). You could make an argument for why it is either sci-fi or fantasy if you really tried, but it is hard to do so because it tries (and fails) to be science fiction, sci-fi, and fantasy all at the same time.
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Seriously, if you have to criticize Crys kicking Gold in the face, you'll really scrapping the bottom of the barrel of what to criticize. Criticize the other zillion things that suck in PokeSpe that require the effort like the characterization or the story-telling; the discussion on Crys' character was going good until that was brought up. Just because you didn't find it funny doesn't mean it's a problem worth criticizing over, it's another Japanese trope that means nothing to anything. A girl hitting a guy has always been played for laughs as it's a "funny"/"cute" way to show that she's embarrassed. She probably has control of her leg strength as well, so I doubt she kicked him with her full strength.
It can't be science fiction (which is sci-fi, so I'm not sure why you separated the two?) as science is mostly glossed over and hardly there beyond a few technological items which are rarely, if at all, explained. PokeSpe certainly doesn't try to be anything involving science.
I consider it a little fantasy due to pokemon and the legends and myths that turn out to be true in some way, but mostly Adventure/Action. That seems to be a major priority as the plot revolves around there being an adventure with lots of action.
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I think compared with Digimon, PMSP is obvious fantasy adventures story...... XD
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Actually, it's entirely possible for sci-fi to never even try to make sense- that's called "soft" sci-fi, as opposed to "hard" sci-fi which is the sort filled with technobabble and things following some sort of internal logic. That being said, the line between fantasy and sci-fi is easy to blur, and I'd say that's something the Pokemon franchise does as a whole. But hey, let's get back on topic. :P
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