Unpopular opinions about Pokemon manga

[TomNamikaze]

I guess I wouldn't have minded the Crystal spotlight if it had lasted for only one volume instead of two. Really, Crystal and Eusine were around the Olivine City area at the end of volume 10 anyway. How about instead of chasing Suicune back towards Ecruteak and Mt. Mortar, he leads them to Whirl Islands instead, possibly with the intention of helping them find and help Gold and Silver? Really, those two were supposedly main characters of the arc, yet the treatment they got in those two volumes was disgusting. Nobody in-story even pretended they existed for most of it, and the manga itself even went completely out of its way to NOT mention or show them whatsoever. I mean, at least when it happened to Red, we had everyone in Kanto worrying over him, and he wasn't even the hero of the Yellow arc anyway. But Gold and Silver WERE two of the heroes of the GSC arc, and yet they were just left to rot! That is, until Surge decided to go looking for them. Isn't it hilarious how Surge, a former villain, was more concerned about Gold's well-being than freaking Professor Oak? I think it's hilarious. Oak was never worried that he hadn't heard from Red for a month during the Yellow chapter, either. Silly senile old man. Methinks PokeNation needs to crack down on its child safety laws.

Lol, you actually forgot some of the plotlines. How about Bill and Daisy? Or Gold chasing the Masked Man to Ilex Forest? Or the freaking Radio Director and whatever the heck he was doing at the time. Seriously, why should I care what such an insignificant character with no name is doing, especially when he's not doing anything another character could've just as easily given to the storyline? Useless. My favorite (except not) part though was when Gold destroyed the Masked Man's mask. We then immediately turn to Whitney and Morty figuring out his identity on their own. Then we switch to Crystal, Eusine, Misty and co. and whatever they were doing at the time (I can't remember), then to possibly something else, and THEN it's revealed to us that Pryce was the Masked Man, as if it was so hard to figure out anyway given the large number of clues thrown at us beforehand.

So that's pretty much my earlier GSC climax rant condensed down. On a more positive note, I did enjoy the gym leader tournament. I just wish Gold and Crystal had had more panel time during that part of the arc.

That would actually be a lot better than what we got.

Lol, I didn't actually forget Gold chasing the Masked Man, because that was after what I had mentioned.

LMAO at your Oak rant. But I guess you're right.

That would've been interesting.

Yes, it would. But as I said, I think Suicune had made his choice immediately after the battle with Crystal, when it decided to keep her earring with him at all times.

Yeah, RS had a lot of characters running around as well, but I never thought that Ruby and Sapphire's screen time was really sacrificed for it, unlike the Johto gang in their arc. So it doesn't annoy me nearly as much...or at all, actually. Really my only beef with characters in the RS arc was Tate and Liza's very minor roles. They should've been battling Groudon and Kyogre with all of the other gym leaders imo, instead of being shipped off to Mirage Island with Juan (although I did like his role ftr).

I actually didn't have any problems in the RS arc. It would be nice to see Tate & Liza fighting the ancient Pokémon, but I don't see how that could happen, given what happened to them at Mt. Pyre.

[Weedy Spyze]

That would actually be a lot better than what we got.

Lol, I didn't actually forget Gold chasing the Masked Man, because that was after what I had mentioned.

LMAO at your Oak rant. But I guess you're right.

I actually didn't have any problems in the RS arc. It would be nice to see Tate & Liza fighting the ancient Pokémon, but I don't see how that could happen, given what happened to them at Mt. Pyre.

Absolutely, I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier. Or more importantly, I don't know why the writer didn't think of it at all. If the Johto dex holder meetup had happened a volume sooner, we could've clipped off that stupid boring Suicune filler subplot to a bare minimum, and instead could've gotten a small arc where Gold and Crystal travel together, get to know each other, and actually maybe develop some damn chemistry together. Instead of just being thrown together by Oak to go do some mission there was absolutely no build up to. And Gold and Silver would've gotten some more deserved panel time. Everybody wins!

Well actually, Green and Silver battling Will and Karen happened after Gold chased after the Masked Man. So since you mentioned that, I assume you forgot that point.

Oak is such a nut in this manga. I agree with whoever said he was overrated.

Oh, well I would've omitted that part entirely actually. What happened at Mt. Pyre because Tate & Liza were there? The orbs were stolen. What would've happened if they weren't there? The orbs would've still been stolen. They were completely flat characters in the manga, and I think it would've been more interesting if they had just met up with the other gym leaders at Flannery's conference. We could've had Tate side with Team Aqua, and Liza side with Team Magma, or vice versa. Yay, more conflict. <3

I just got the new Chuang Yi volume in the mail!

[MistyMayDawn]

How did ya'll like the way Todd Snap appeared in the Emerald arc? I think it was interesting but at the same time I thouht that he should've just appeared when his game was released.

[Weedy Spyze]

How did ya'll like the way Todd Snap appeared in the Emerald arc? I think it was interesting but at the same time I thouht that he should've just appeared when his game was released.

I really don't have an opinion. It was random that he appeared, but I don't really care about it since he didn't have much of a role.

EDIT: Just thought of another one. I really like the Wallace/Winona pairing. What's that ship called? Since I know there's a name for everything...

[matt0044]

I actually like the GSC for what it was worth. Suicune battling the Gym Leaders wasn't dull to me if only because the battles were neat in my book and hey, I got to the leaders in action. Crystal was a cute girl who could also kick your *** to next tuesday if you underestimated her. The climax, I admit, was pretty cluttered but again, I liked it for what it was worth. But I can understand why others wouldn't have similar sentiments about the arc.

[Weedy Spyze]

^ She could? Crystal's team was only good for capturing. They weren't battlers at all.

I'm currently reading through volume 20 right now, and once again after reading Wally's chapters I'm even more annoyed how he isn't the third Hoenn dex holder. I once read someone say Wally's health would've prevented him from challenging the Battle Frontier or whatever. I'm sorry, but that kid climed up all fifty stories of the freaking Sky Pillar. If he could do that, I'm sure he would've had the endurance to handle anything the Battle Frontier sent his way.

[TomNamikaze]

I'm currently reading through volume 20 right now, and once again after reading Wally's chapters I'm even more annoyed how he isn't the third Hoenn dex holder. I once read someone say Wally's health would've prevented him from challenging the Battle Frontier or whatever. I'm sorry, but that kid climed up all fifty stories of the freaking Sky Pillar. If he could do that, I'm sure he would've had the endurance to handle anything the Battle Frontier sent his way.

Well, the Battle Tower is 70 stories high, but I still think Wally would make it. It's really a shame he didn't get to be a Pokédex Holder, but you know what? He can be considered to be one. Just like Yellow was even when she didn't have a Pokédex of her own. And just like Yellow, Wally used another person's Pokédex during his time of the adventure, so he can be assumed to be a Dex Holder, right? Maybe I'm going off-topic, but I didn't see anyone saying this, so it can be said to be an 'unpopular opinion', right?

[lolipiece]

If you don't have a name that's the name of a game, you're not a Dex Holder.

Wally implied it. Cheren and Bianca confirmed it.

[TomNamikaze]

If you don't have a name that's the name of a game, you're not a Dex Holder.

Wally implied it. Cheren and Bianca confirmed it.

I don't know much about the BW arc, but I know that Cheren's and Bianca's Dexes were broken. How does that confirm anything? I'm sorry, but unless you tell something I don't know, you'll not convince me.

[Weedy Spyze]

If you don't have a name that's the name of a game, you're not a Dex Holder.

Wally implied it. Cheren and Bianca confirmed it.

I fail to see how Cheren and Bianca confirm that, seeing as how they technically "hold" Pokedexes even if they're currently broken. If and when they do get fixed, they'll still go to Bianca and Cheren, unless Juniper wants to be a jerk and give something that's rightfully their's to White or something. In which case I'm starting the next petition to strip Emerald of his dex and giving it back to Wally. Kidding maybe...

The game name tradition needs to be done away with, anyway. How's that for an unpopular opinion? The idea that your role and overall importance to the storyline can be diminished because you're not priveliged with a game name really sounds totally obnoxious tbh. Poor Bianca and Cheren.

[TomNamikaze]

^ Well, maybe something can happen that the Pokédex is given to White, but until then, Cheren and Bianca are Pokédex Holders. Not only that, Cheren and Bianca are two people with a Pokédex each, White is just one person, there's still one Pokédex left (though it will probably be given to the Rival in BW2). Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that they had the Pokédexes in their posession and were their rightful owners.
And I don't see why does Wally have to receive different treatment than Yellow just because he's not named after a game. A character is a character, it doesn't matter which name they have.
Oh, and the name of the shipping you were talking about is GracefulShipping. It's actually quite popular, because of the paralelism with Ruby and Sapphire.

[Weedy Spyze]

^ I never really thought about it that way, but I guess you could say that to include Wally as a 'Pokedex holder.' He was for a time, anyway, you can't argue that at all. Even though Yellow now has that piece of crap first gen Pokedex. Still, I would've preferred it if Wally was just the official owner of that Pokedex, bar none. I don't really understand why Professor Oak registered Emerald as the owner of that Pokedex before he had 'proven' himself anyway, or why he would give three Pokedexes to Birch when one of them already had an owner. I have a few more beefs with that part of the backstory, but that's another story for another day. I'll wait until I re-read the Emerald arc before I get into it, to make sure I'm not missing any important plot points.

Oh and I completely agree about the name thing.

GracefulShipping, huh? Yeah I think it's a pairing that works well. Even though apparently it didn't work well in-story. ha

[Evilchibi_pichu]

Oh man, oh man. It'll be too easy to go all out, but I don't think I should. I don't want to create too many walls of text....

I agree with everyone else that GSC arc sucked. It had some good ideas in them, but all those ideas are horribly written and mashed together (I'm guessing due to the lack of time). It's like Digimon Adventure 02.

Well, this is gonna be fun.

My opinions:
1. I don't like the RS arc. At all. I never ever liked Ruby. It's something about his character, I guess. I absolutely prefer Sapphire more than him.
2. The Yellow arc was bland and uninteresting. I'm sorry but I do not quite understand Yellow's popularity.
3. Am I the only one who doesn't like the BW arc?

#2: I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that disliked the Yellow arc. I never understood how people like the Yellow arc or the character, who is easily one of the worse characters in PokeSpe. The Y arc is the arc I hate the most; what a waste of an arc.

#3: I say give it time for the volumes to come out. May I ask why you don't like it?

But in Adventures, they made him too much of a sociopath and got rid of his naievity and somewhat childish charm, and just went with the 'creepy' aspect of his character, making him somewhat one-dimensional.

A lot of this has to do with people's desire to pair her with Red, which I hate and never do I want to see that pairing made canon. In fact, I think Yellow's character should just be retired entirely. Her storyline is finished, and I can't see her being relevant for the plot ever again without it feeling somewhat contrived (like her role in releasing the legendary beasts in GSC).

That actually makes me more interested in N. We don't have enough actually creepy characters that aren't completely "evil". But, I'll withhold judgement until I read how he's written.

That may be one of the only things we will ever completely agree with. I can't fathom how that pairing will ever be interesting. I would be pretty pissed if it became canon. (Calling it: she'll be the important piece to defeat Saque and it'll bring her out of retirement.)

As for Mitsuru, I can see why he didn't become a Dexholder (he was created before Emerald was released, I think?), but it's still a dang shame. He's one of the less than five best written characters Kusaka has done and I was way more interested in seeing him grow than hear Emerald's woes.

[lolipiece]

My reasons for hating the Ruby & Sapphire chapter only grow after seeing that damn popular vote thing.

Me: It sucked. It tried to turn Adventures into something it's not: a violent brawl full of death. And that goddamn Celebi. Ruined it. Ruined everything about it.

Internet: But Ruby and Sapphire are in wuv! So that makes it OK!

Me: ............................

GOD, I hate shipping.

[Mythicalzoe]

1.I hate Ruby absolutely hate Ruby but love sapphire wild girls are my type
2.I dont like some of their teams(gold,black,diamond)
3.Mask or ice was unexpected but he had no real evil purpose and i have to say something has to be mentally wrong with you fi you enslaved children for many years just to get celebi to prevent your lapras from dieing wtf.In short he was no villain just a nutjob.
4.Why didnt gold battle gyms
5.in the HG/SS arc why does it follow game logic seriously how on earth did the executives even control arceus
6.I just dont like emerald he weird
7.I like pie
8.There are so many wtfs in adventures involving legendaries:
how did pikachu defeat lugia
how did mere starters beat legendaries

[Kazuki Mirai]

I got a good one.

I pretty much think fans put the manga in too much regard while treating the anime as the inferior product. Don't get me wrong. But I think both media have their respective ups and downs that shouldn't be ignored. Yes, the anime is dull and is still running with a forever ten year old kid. But the manga can make plot twists that are just... outright ridiculous. Like the end of the R/S/E arc and meh reveal at the Battle Frontier arc. That and using the PokeDex in the manga to make the heroes "special." In essence... It's just like every other manga out there. It ain't perfect. Like everything else, it has flaws.

[Izanagi]

I glad that someone made the comparison but the second chapter can be compared to Digimon Adventure 02. I do like RS it presented some decent ideas and or characters but the deus ex machina ruined all the it had built up to. Lastly, the HGSS arc from what I heard is a bit rushed but then again I haven't read it yet.

[Fake Psychic]

I'm happy to see all of the responses so far. In regards to the BW chapter, I really don't know what's popular and what's not when it comes to that arc, because I hardly ever see it discussed on the internet. I will say though that I don't really like N's portrayal in the manga, however. Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent character in the games. Probably the best character in the franchise when it comes to background and development. But in Adventures, they made him too much of a sociopath and got rid of his naievity and somewhat childish charm, and just went with the 'creepy' aspect of his character, making him somewhat one-dimensional. Not to mention in his first appearance he curbstomped Black in battle, and from what I've read (I haven't gotten the new volume yet) Gigi chose to go with N because he'd help her realize her battle potential.

-I like how Adventures has so many different main characters and so many different story arcs. I like how after one character's story ends, a new character's story begins. It keeps things fresh and exciting. I also don't really care if a story arc has callbacks to a previous one, either. It's nice to see the older heroes make cameos every now and then (for the most part), but at the end of the day I think they're irrelevant. The R/S, D/P, and B/W arcs all stand perfectly fine on their own two feet without callbacks to previous adventures. They are not needed.
-For the most part, I find myself liking newer manga characters more than older ones. Of the first two generation dexholders, the only ones I'm really a fan of are Red and Gold. Whereas I love the entire Sinnoh dex trio, as well as both Black and White. I like all five of them much more than any of the other Kanto/Johto dex holders. To be honest, I find most of the older guys uninteresting. I find that Kusaka has done a much better job of flashing out character personalities and development as time has gone on (getting better as a writer, in other words), and some of the older characters just got the short end of the stick with one-dimensional personalities. Like Blue and Crystal. They're boring. What's to them other than being "serious" and Crystal's capture shtick?
-The Diamond & Pearl arc was fantastic from beginning to end. The Sinnoh trio were all charming and entertaining in their own ways, and they all had wonderful chemistry with each other. I'm glad that we finally had the dexholders travelling together for once, and I think it's maddening how it took four generations for the manga to do that. It allowed for much more character development and interactions, something I love to see in the manga. And the silliness and general lightheartedness of the earlier rounds in the arc never failed to put a smile on my face. It was just fun to read. The manga doesn't have to be all serious all the time, you know.
-I also think Yellow is overrated as a character to some degree. I don't dislike her, but do I think she merits a lot of her popularity? No. A lot of this has to do with people's desire to pair her with Red, which I hate and never do I want to see that pairing made canon. In fact, I think Yellow's character should just be retired entirely. Her storyline is finished, and I can't see her being relevant for the plot ever again without it feeling somewhat contrived (like her role in releasing the legendary beasts in GSC).
-Speaking of pairings, or shippings as the fanbase likes to call them, I do not like most of the more popular ones, like the Gold/Crystal pairing. I cannot see why either of them would be willing to spend the rest of their days with the other one, their personalities are way too different. They have no compatibility. Thank god this pairing could not be more unofficial.

Couldn't agree more xD. But about N he is really great written character there. Kusaka written him as an Pure Idealist being serious about it and try to make him as awesome as possible according to him. It is just I can't see why people hate him / disgusted with him. And Who thinks that it isa way too weird that Crystal is Prof Oak Assistant. She is better with Prof Elm if you ask me.

8.There are so many wtfs in adventures involving legendaries:
how did pikachu defeat lugia
how did mere starters beat legendaries

That's because it is a shonen manga. Everything is possible if you have enough WillPower

And I think Yamamoto just way too liked Crystal so much (I can see why he didn't put Lyra, He is Crystal Old Fan. Don't believe me? See it at Yamamoto's Twitter thread). And who thinks that HGSS chapter is way too rushed in Magazine because I hope that it would be as epic as FRLG did. God that chapter was way too epic

[matt0044]

^ She could? Crystal's team was only good for capturing. They weren't battlers at all.

Um, yeah. They BATTLED the Pokemon they CAPTURED.

[TomNamikaze]

^ Yeah, but what he meant was they were trained to capture other Pokémon not to beat them in battle. The techniques and strategies Crystal trained them are to capture Pokémon, not to beat them.