What happened to Sird???

[Macromind101]

Holy...okay I just realized something. In Volume 38 Round 414 we see Sird about to battle Riley. That's the last time we see her as of now. Riley appears in future rounds so we know he didn't lose (or at least he wasn't killed or severely injured). So...what if...Sird actually LOST the battle (that actually wouldn't be surprising since her injured leg sets her at a disadvantage) and she was either arrested or "eliminated"? We don't see her with the other commanders in Platinum so if she was loyal to Cyrus, then this could be a plausible explanation. I would have realized this a lot sooner but it said on Bulbapedia that Sird escaped, which made me (and apparently a lot of us) assume that Sird is still off somewhere waiting to make another appearance years later, potentially extremely random this time.

[Beat!]

Holy...okay I just realized something. In Volume 38 Round 414 we see Sird about to battle Riley. That's the last time we see her as of now. Riley appears in future rounds so we know he didn't lose (or at least he wasn't killed or severely injured). So...what if...Sird actually LOST the battle (that actually wouldn't be surprising since her injured leg sets her at a disadvantage) and she was either arrested or "eliminated"? We don't see her with the other commanders in Platinum so if she was loyal to Cyrus, then this could be a plausible explanation. I would have realized this a lot sooner but it said on Bulbapedia that Sird escaped, which made me (and apparently a lot of us) assume that Sird is still off somewhere waiting to make another appearance years later, potentially extremely random this time.

She escaped, simple as that.

[xEryChan]

I just realize that I'm getting everyone mixed up. I thought Sird died during the FR/LG chapter but it was someone else (don't remember their name)

Wasn't Sird there at the end of the FR/LG chapter when the Dex holders were turned into stone? She never made an appearance during the Emerald chapter, did she? I don't actually remember, I should probably go back and read all the chapters.

[lolipiece]

I just realize that I'm getting everyone mixed up. I thought Sird died during the FR/LG chapter but it was someone else (don't remember their name)

Wasn't Sird there at the end of the FR/LG chapter when the Dex holders were turned into stone? She never made an appearance during the Emerald chapter, did she? I don't actually remember, I should probably go back and read all the chapters.

Uh, yes she did. It was kind of a major plot twist.

[Macromind101]

I just realize that I'm getting everyone mixed up. I thought Sird died during the FR/LG chapter but it was someone else (don't remember their name)

Wasn't Sird there at the end of the FR/LG chapter when the Dex holders were turned into stone? She never made an appearance during the Emerald chapter, did she? I don't actually remember, I should probably go back and read all the chapters.

No it was Orm who died. She didn't appear physically in the Emerald chapter but in a flashback that took place before the events in FRLG. And just to note, I completely forgot that Riley said Sird escaped in the Platinum chapter. So she's still out there somewhere. False alarm, sorry.

[Beat!]

No it was Orm who died. She didn't appear physically in the Emerald chapter but in a flashback that took place before the events in FRLG. And just to note, I completely forgot that Riley said Sird escaped in the Platinum chapter. So she's still out there somewhere. False alarm, sorry.

At this point, i think that even Kusaka doesn't know what he's going to do with Sird. Her appeareance in the DP chapter and then escape was very anticlimatic.

[Macromind101]

At this point, i think that even Kusaka doesn't know what he's going to do with Sird. Her appeareance in the DP chapter and then escape was very anticlimatic.

Nah I'm pretty sure Kusaka plans ahead everytime. Maybe if it was a character from the games that may appear in future games like Giovanni then Kusaka could "defeat" that character temporarily and plan his return when a reappearance in a future game is confirmed. But since Sird is a manga-original character, Kusaka most likely planned things out before deciding to let Sird escape. I'm still crossing my fingers for a HGSS appearance. But if she doesn't appear there, then I'm gonna have to go with your statement that even Kusaka is confused with Sird's future. If there was foreshadowing of Sird appearing in a future chapter like Emerald did then a future appearance would make sense but after the mention in the Platinum chapter, there were no hints of Sird appearing sometime in the future. So seriously, I only see a future appearance of Sird in the tiny slot reserved for the remainder of HGSS. There is no room for Sird in BW/B2W2 as well as no way to make her appearance there relevant, and honestly in Generation VI I'm pretty sure all connections to Sird's previous affiliations would be cut by then. A villain can only have so many ranges of plans and I'm pretty sure Sird's plans do not extend to the plot of Generation VI or beyond (I thought it was pretty clear, though, that Sird is definitely interested in the Creation trio which is why I think she's connected to the Arceus plot in HGSS).

[xEryChan]

No it was Orm who died. She didn't appear physically in the Emerald chapter but in a flashback that took place before the events in FRLG. And just to note, I completely forgot that Riley said Sird escaped in the Platinum chapter. So she's still out there somewhere. False alarm, sorry.

I see.. I'm just dying to see her again.

[Red_the_knight]

Originally posted by xEryChan
I see.. I'm just dying to see her again.

I'm a little dying to see her too. Just need to wait for Volume 43 and Coronis' summary of Volume 43, ending the HGSS chapter. I need to finish up the volume for my VG project idea. This effort is driving me nuts.

[xEryChan]

I'm a little dying to see her too. Just need to wait for Volume 43 and Coronis' summary of Volume 43, ending the HGSS chapter. I need to finish up the volume for my VG project idea. This effort is driving me nuts.

I finished reading all the volumes of the HG/SS chapter and she has yet to appear. She's probably not going to either.

[Flintoff Cypress]

I finished reading all the volumes of the HG/SS chapter and she has yet to appear. She's probably not going to either.

So, you went into the future, picked up Volume 43 (which isn't out for 5 more days), and brought it back to the present? Are you a wizard?

Anyways, if Sird showed up I would be a little disappointed that they tried to cram her into a portion of a volume. It's already borderlining on rushed cluster**** knowing that Giovanni, Pryce, and Lance are involved and BW starts in this volume.

[Red_the_knight]

Originally posted by xEryChan
I finished reading all the volumes of the HG/SS chapter and she has yet to appear. She's probably not going to either.

What? I don't believe this. Do you have Volume 43?

[Beat!]

One thing is for sure, and that is, Sird won't be defeated in this chapter. A cameo is possible, but a full appearance is highly unlikely.

I do wonder how many rounds of HG-SS are left. Are they trying to pull a Vol. 15 situation? Only one, big round left and the rest of the content is BW?

[xEryChan]

What? I don't believe this. Do you have Volume 43?

No, I read it online. I don't think they've released any volumes from the HG/SS chapter yet, I'm not sure.

[Flintoff Cypress]

No, I read it online. I don't think they've released any volumes from the HG/SS chapter yet, I'm not sure.

Volumes 41 and 42 are entirely HGSS.

I do wonder how many rounds of HG-SS are left. Are they trying to pull a Vol. 15 situation? Only one, big round left and the rest of the content is BW?

Considering that it looks like the cover is going to be based on BW, I'm not expecting any more than a couple chapters to finish off HGSS. Sort of like how Vol. 15 had the final chapter of GSC.

[Macromind101]

So, you went into the future, picked up Volume 43 (which isn't out for 5 more days), and brought it back to the present? Are you a wizard?

Anyways, if Sird showed up I would be a little disappointed that they tried to cram her into a portion of a volume. It's already borderlining on rushed cluster**** knowing that Giovanni, Pryce, and Lance are involved and BW starts in this volume.

Well think about it. If Sird doesn't appear in Volume 43, where else could she appear? Sird disappeared from the commanders in the Platinum chapter without a trace and she didn't even leave behind a hint or foreshadowing of a future appearance. If she's gonna appear in Generation V or a future generation (though if her next appearance will be in Generation VI or beyond that is a LONG hiatus especially without hints) then there should at least have been a mention that she is affiliated with Plasma or something (but seriously, her being connected to Plasma is WAY too much, I mean seriously, pick a side). At least HGSS has Sinnoh legendaries and since Sird is affiliated with a team that is after those legendaries an appearance in HGSS will make sense. And I said this before, I don't even care if Sird isn't defeated in Volume 43. As long as she appears then I'll be satisfied (and if Kusaka is planning future appearances then some foreshadowing would be useful). But I have this feeling...Sird is already defeated off-screen and it'll be mentioned in Volume 43 (and it won't take that many panels for a mere mention). Think about it, the Cloaked grunt handed back the Pokedex to the Sinnoh holders and he makes it sound like there wasn't even much of a fight. I doubt Sird would just give up the Pokedex without a fight after all she went through to get those. My suspicions are that a force (or forces) that clashed with Sird in the past eventually caught up with her and took care of her once and for all. It could have been Giovanni in retaliation for petrifying his son, Mewtwo who eventually caught up with her, or the previous Dexholders who were either directly or indirectly affiliated with her (which would actually be all Dexholders from Kanto to Sinnoh). Let's just be honest, I don't know about you guys but I seriously can't see Sird being placed in any plot past HGSS. Her true intentions go up to Galactic and so Plasma and beyond are past her time. When Kusaka was designing Sird I'm certain he didn't plan on putting her in a chapter four generations down the road (not to mention that at the time, future generations weren't even for certain). And to put an original villain in longevity, Kusaka would have had to scrap original plans and slap on new ones, which he did at least once because I doubt Team Galactic and their plans weren't released to the public in 2004. But to make her last till Gen V and beyond...that takes a LOT of scrapping original plans. Okay, doing it once is a good strategy but after a few more villainous-team hopping, it kinda becomes bleak (I think even Kusaka would find it hard to come up with a reason for Sird to be loyal to Galactic and then suddenly go to Plasma, and then Gen VI's villainous team).

Considering that it looks like the cover is going to be based on BW, I'm not expecting any more than a couple chapters to finish off HGSS. Sort of like how Vol. 15 had the final chapter of GSC.

I don't think a couple of rounds will cover an explanation for Pryce's reappearance and calming a pissed-off Arceus. I think Volume 43 will be mostly HGSS and a couple BW rounds. And I was kinda hoping that HGSS would do more to wrap up previous plotholes and allow us to see the older Dexholders one last time before they become adults (BW most likely takes place several years after HGSS, proof is how 14-year old Caitlin looks like she's in her 20's in BW). Sird could have been the one thing that ties the older Dexholders to the new ones allowing for one last Dexholder reunion but the small portion of HGSS makes chances of that event look slim. Though, it could be possible if the last rounds of HGSS are really long and BW doesn't take up too much space in Volume 43. And just to note, did anyone see the character profile for Gold's Pichu as foreshadowing since its location was listed as "?"? I think that could be seen as a Yellow appearance hint. Also, does Kusaka tend to sometimes not keep up with earlier promises? At the end of Volume 41, it said that Volume 42 would be the "climax" of the chapter so that meant that Volume 42 was supposed to be the last volume.

[Flintoff Cypress]

If she's gonna appear in Generation V or a future generation (though if her next appearance will be in Generation VI or beyond that is a LONG hiatus especially without hints) then there should at least have been a mention that she is affiliated with Plasma or something (but seriously, her being connected to Plasma is WAY too much, I mean seriously, pick a side). At least HGSS has Sinnoh legendaries and since Sird is affiliated with a team that is after those legendaries an appearance in HGSS will make sense. And I said this before, I don't even care if Sird isn't defeated in Volume 43. As long as she appears then I'll be satisfied (and if Kusaka is planning future appearances then some foreshadowing would be useful).

What I think could work is a Dexholder reunion in B2W2 (World Tournament related, maybe?) to take on Sird once and for all. In fact, it would be cool if Sird DID make a brief cameo in HGSS to hint at retreating and regrouping to emerge # years later in the B2W2 arc. I think having her involved with Colress and Plasma would be a little too far, but maybe have her as an independent "final boss after the final boss" character. However, I have a feeling none of this will happen as they will gloss over B2W2 in order to get to the XY arc.

But I have this feeling...Sird is already defeated off-screen and it'll be mentioned in Volume 43 (and it won't take that many panels for a mere mention).

Honestly, I would probably lose all respect for Kusaka if he pulled such a stunt. Sird has been built up as a powerful enemy and to have her defeat handwaved in such a manner would be the equivalent of having all of the Dexholders stand up and flip the bird to the reader in a group pose. (Oh great, that'll be on someone's DeviantArt page before the week's over, I'm sure)

And to put an original villain in longevity, Kusaka would have had to scrap original plans and slap on new ones, which he did at least once because I doubt Team Galactic and their plans weren't released to the public in 2004.

Well, it's guaranteed that each generation was going to have an evil empire of their own. Kusaka could have had Sird's alliance to the Gen IV team planned without any further details. The first real hints of Sird's alliance with Galactic come in the end of the Emerald arc which was released WAAAAAAAY after Gen IV started. For all we know, he could have Sird planned out for Plasma and whatever Gen VI has.

Also, does Kusaka tend to sometimes not keep up with earlier promises? At the end of Volume 41, it said that Volume 42 would be the "climax" of the chapter so that meant that Volume 42 was supposed to be the last volume.

Don't forget that infamous Red chapter.

And just to note, did anyone see the character profile for Gold's Pichu as foreshadowing since its location was listed as "?"? I think that could be seen as a Yellow appearance hint.

No, no. Gold's Pichu is REALLY the Hood Man in BW's League Tournament! *ducks*

[Beat!]

Sird being defeated off-screen? No, no...and no. That would be the worst possible way to wrap up her storyline. Kusaka is clever, we all know that, so i'm expecting a much better outcome.
I think Coronis mentioned something about a hint of Celebi appearing, along the Pichu one.

[Dreamingflower]

Sird being defeated off-screen? No, no...and no. That would be the worst possible way to wrap up her storyline. Kusaka is clever, we all know that, so i'm expecting a much better outcome.
I think Coronis mentioned something about a hint of Celebi appearing, along the Pichu one.

Maybe we get to see spiky eared Pichu too. Maybe Celebi will send them back in time to reveal them something, like in the game event. We know that Kusaka won't end it with a lame ending. He always surprised us and killing Saque of-screen isn't like Kusaka.

[Macromind101]

What I think could work is a Dexholder reunion in B2W2 (World Tournament related, maybe?) to take on Sird once and for all. In fact, it would be cool if Sird DID make a brief cameo in HGSS to hint at retreating and regrouping to emerge # years later in the B2W2 arc. I think having her involved with Colress and Plasma would be a little too far, but maybe have her as an independent "final boss after the final boss" character. However, I have a feeling none of this will happen as they will gloss over B2W2 in order to get to the XY arc.

I agree with you 100% on that having Sird be a part of Plasma would be WAY too much. But how can there be two separate evil forces in one chapter? Name one time in Pokemon Special that that ever happened. It remains doubtful that BW2 will even be a long chapter. There's always a central plot in one chapter so having two major separate forces wouldn't work out.

Honestly, I would probably lose all respect for Kusaka if he pulled such a stunt. Sird has been built up as a powerful enemy and to have her defeat handwaved in such a manner would be the equivalent of having all of the Dexholders stand up and flip the bird to the reader in a group pose. (Oh great, that'll be on someone's DeviantArt page before the week's over, I'm sure)

I have to disagree with you on that. I said this in the beginning of this thread but Sird was the subject of major let-downs several times in the manga. Think about it, every time Sird does some amazing feat you would think only a hard-core villain could do only to reveal a few volumes later that it was just some form of cheap trick. For example, Sird owned Darkrai and it was powerful enough to stand up to Mewtwo and petrify the surroundings. Only later, you find out that Sird wasn't even strong enough to control Darkrai so she had to release it to the Distortion World. Also, heaven knows how the three pixies managed to steal the Pokedexes from Sird without even a scratch. And then there's the fact that you think after Sird reveals to not be loyal to Giovanni and having given the equipment to Archie for mysterious purposes, you would think that she would turn out to be an awesome villain with cool original purposes only to turn out to be Cyrus's b*tch all along. And let's not forget her infamous trait: she is way too lazy (or not powerful enough?) to do her own things. She always manipulates some lackey to do the work for her like Archie and the Cloaked Grunt and perhaps the Rocket generals (well I guess her manipulation skills can be praised). Name one time that Sird actually managed to get something done by herself. I'm sorry to tell you this but Sird never was the epic villain you would think she could have been.

Sird being defeated off-screen? No, no...and no. That would be the worst possible way to wrap up her storyline. Kusaka is clever, we all know that, so i'm expecting a much better outcome.
I think Coronis mentioned something about a hint of Celebi appearing, along the Pichu one.

Yes but if Sird isn't defeated in HGSS where else could she be defeated? She ties in with the first four villainous teams and after Volume 43 all of them will be defeated once and for all (assuming there will be no more remakes). And please don't speculate that she is connected to Team Plasma. Not only will it be, like I said, WAY too much but Plasma already has enough executives that it needs and there is no foreshadowing whatsoever that Sird is connected to any more villainous teams. There is hardly enough space left in HGSS so if Sird isn't defeated there, then I seriously don't know where else she could appear, let alone be defeated.

But c'mon, just consider my theory. Sird is one of the very few sources that the Rocket generals could have heard from about Sinnoh legendaries. If you think about it, then any legendary could have been used to satisfy Archer's plan. Also, consider how Sird left Galactic before it was truly over (if she was truly loyal to Cyrus, then she would have tagged along with the other commanders). I would presume that if Sird wasn't loyal to Cyrus himself like the other commanders were, then she probably joined Galactic solely for the Pokemon they were after, the Creation trio. It makes sense if you think about it. Galactic failed to capture Dialga and Palkia so Sird resorted to her own method to obtain the Creation trio, which would be to manipulate the Rocket generals (she's good at manipulating people) into capturing Arceus to create a new set of the Creation trio.