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I'm not so sure about that. Don't forget that BW2 aren't remakes or like the 3rd games of a generation, they are sequels. There is a possibility that the BW2 arc is longer than you think. Even thought we won't see the beat all eight gymleaders in the arc, but I'm sure there will be a lot of traveling to introduce the new places. Hue wants revenge against team Plasma and I don't think he'll get it in three volumes.Originally Posted by Macromind101
Zephyr Trainer
Yeah that's what I'm saying, the plot will be around Hugh getting revenge on neo-Plasma and hopefully we'll see an unstable Ghetsis and his Kyurem mutation (hopefully we see both forms). So Sird has no place in that plot. If anything, the PWT will just be a celebration-thingy at the end of the chapter like the Battle Dome was in Emerald and we'll probably see the Dexholders that were competitors in the games like Red and Blue but I don't think we'll see anyone else besides them (and even for them it'll probably be a cameo). I don't see the PWT as a method to bring Sird back into the plot. And yes I definitely agree with you that the BW2 chapter will be as long as BW, DP, RS etc. because it is a sequel, an entirely new plot rather than a third version/remake with just a few extra features.
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and that brings us to the question of where Kusaka plans to finish Saque off. The only hopes we have left is that most of vol 43 will be HGSS plot were Saque is revealed to have manipulated the Rocket admins a la Xehanort style in making them believe that Arceus will bring Giovanni back and since she knows that Archer is suffering from a mental decease. She know's that he'll eventually goes berserk and become the perfect puppet for her to control.
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I'm pretty sure he plans on finishing Sird off at some point. But like I said several times, the only place left for Sird to conveniently appear and be finished off without it looking like an a**pull is in HGSS.
And also, unrelated to Sird but rather possible appearances, remember at the end of the Emerald chapter where Emerald's Pokemon were paired with other Dexholder's Pokemon of the same species? And ever notice how all those Pokemon are evolutions of baby Pokemon introduced in Generation IV? I'm pretty sure that's way too much to be a coincidence and I never saw Kusaka drop a hint in the manga only to not follow up with it in the end. So anyone think we'll see the offspring of those paired Pokemon at the end of HGSS? Since Gold is "The Hatcher" and all. It would be pretty cool if either Archer or Sird (whoever ends up being the big bad of the chapter) thinks that since Arceus is the creator and the most powerful Pokemon their opponents have no chance only for Gold to bring out the eggs then have them hatched into seemingly powerless baby Pokemon only to reveal that Gold was able to bring out their fullest potential and so a combined attack is able to conquer Arceus. That could serve as a symbol that new beginnings can wrap up old stories (the babies eliminated Sird who lasted over a decade) which also symbolizes BW which is also a new beginning. This is just an idea that I'm throwing out but Kusaka still revealed to the audience the pairings of the Pokemon at the end of the Emerald chapter (and there still has to be a reason why Emerald's team is male for only non-paired Pokemon and female for only paired Pokemon, usually a Dexholder's team is all one gender) and I'm almost certain that something will come out of that.
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And you just explained why I think Sird is an epic villain, she has access to what I feel is the most dangerous weapon: the mind. I'm sorry to tell you THIS, but manipulation and mind games are just as powerful as physical strength and mobility. I mean, think about it. Your long spiel feels like an attempt to prove superiority by trying to manipulate me into conceding that Sird was a shitty villain. Does that mean that you're lazy (or not powerful enough)?And let's not forget her infamous trait: she is way too lazy (or not powerful enough?) to do her own things. She always manipulates some lackey to do the work for her like Archie and the Cloaked Grunt and perhaps the Rocket generals (well I guess her manipulation skills can be praised). Name one time that Sird actually managed to get something done by herself. I'm sorry to tell you this but Sird never was the epic villain you would think she could have been.
Now, I will agree with your theory. That would be a great way to work Sird into HGSS.But c'mon, just consider my theory. Sird is one of the very few sources that the Rocket generals could have heard from about Sinnoh legendaries. If you think about it, then any legendary could have been used to satisfy Archer's plan. Also, consider how Sird left Galactic before it was truly over (if she was truly loyal to Cyrus, then she would have tagged along with the other commanders). I would presume that if Sird wasn't loyal to Cyrus himself like the other commanders were, then she probably joined Galactic solely for the Pokemon they were after, the Creation trio. It makes sense if you think about it. Galactic failed to capture Dialga and Palkia so Sird resorted to her own method to obtain the Creation trio, which would be to manipulate the Rocket generals (she's good at manipulating people) into capturing Arceus to create a new set of the Creation trio.
Yeah, I totally agree that B2W2 should be the same length as BW. That's okay, I can wait until 2015+ to see the XY arc.I'm not so sure about that. Don't forget that BW2 aren't remakes or like the 3rd games of a generation, they are sequels. There is a possibility that the BW2 arc is longer than you think. Even thought we won't see the beat all eight gymleaders in the arc, but I'm sure there will be a lot of traveling to introduce the new places. Hue wants revenge against team Plasma and I don't think he'll get it in three volumes.
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I remeber hearing an interesting theory about Sird. It said thay she was the last person that used Jirachi's wishes 1000 years ago. It said that she wished for immortality, and that would explain why she is able to survive for so long.
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Yeah that's a pretty well-known theory and it may be possible but her lasting this long in the manga isn't a lifetime span and thus not valid evidence. The time difference between RS (where she was first shown in person and revealed two seconds later that she was interfering behind the scenes) and DP which is her most recent appearance is something like four to five years, definitely not a lifetime. And Sird never really sustained any fatal injuries that would threaten her life, so she was never shown surviving something that would normally kill a person (no one would die because of ice cuffs forming around the legs, heck Red's whole body was frozen once, and Red and Blue were frozen by Articuno's attack once though I'm not sure if it's as dangerous as Lorelei's ice cuffs). The only trait of her that I think may support that theory is how she looks. I mean, the first time I saw a picture of her on Bulbapedia I couldn't even decide whether she was human (and I'm still not 100% sure).
Alright since Sird didn't appear in HGSS I guess BW2 or beyond is possible (definite for somewhere in the future, though). Now I'm gonna speculate that Hood Man may be Sird because of the eyes and the striking resemblance of the mask to Guile's. Alright so now that my theory of Sird being in HGSS is crushed, I guess I can work out what intentions Sird could possibly have to join Plasma. Someone told me this before and it does make some sense so I'll state it here. Ghetsis wanted to know more about the affairs of Rocket and Galactic, two other villainous teams that could either rival Plasma or Ghetsis could learn from those teams and their mistakes in order to not make the same ones (in the games, one grunt even says that Plasma was careful not to make the same mistakes Rocket and Galactic made). Sird is some sort of spy or agent so Ghetsis hires her to infiltrate Galactic and learn more about it. And then Cyrus tells her to infiltrate Rocket (an infiltration within an infiltration, inception anyone?). It's somewhat clear that Sird wasn't loyal to Cyrus after all since she didn't appear with the other Commanders to help Cyrus. And also, the PWT may showcase all Dexholders so that could be the perfect opportunity for Sird to swipe all the Pokedex's at once. Though it's not gonna work unless Sird is by Ghetsis's side.
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Suddenly, Ghetsis obtaining the Adamant Orb, Lustrous Orb, and Grecious Orb makes sense now.
Since Black/White 2 have merged with the current manga, I could see the XY arc starting sometime late this year or early next year. Kusaka sure rushed previous two chapters to get done with the arcs.
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Huh? What are you talking about? Since when did Black and White 2 merge with the Black and White chapter?
And Ghetsis had the orbs in the games. He was never seen with them in the manga and Sird isn't in the games so how Ghetsis came to be in possession of the orbs in the games has nothing to do with Sird (and Generation V is done so it probably will never be explained either, my guess is that Ghetsis toured Sinnoh at one time). And Kusaka never rushed anything (talking about official volumes, not magazines). Chapters not based off of the original pair of games released at the start of the generation never has more than a couple volumes. The Platinum chapter wrapped up the story of Sinnoh quite nicely and it looks like HGSS was never supposed to continue the events of Generation IV but rather to tie up loose ends from before and set up the stories that takes place after (so basically it's glue for broken timelines I guess).
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That theory, I totally forgot about it and I never thought that it would be a possibility or that it would make sense. I guess you can never know what happens. It makes more sense now. I think making her appear in the end of BW arc as intro for bw2 arc could work. Thought the question is what would her role be in BW2, she brought a lot of trouble to the dexowners, it'll be lame if the other dexowners didn't appear when she's finished off for good. It would make her appearances in the other arcs quite useless. I guess we have to wait for the magazines to release new chapters.
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Truthfully, if Sird really is in leagues with Plasma, she'll probably be some hired agent or something because that's what she was for Galactic as well. I would like to think that after all this time, Sird really has no loyalty and she only helps those who pay her or has some form of benefit to give her. Or maybe, she didn't infiltrate Galactic because Ghetsis told her to but rather Cyrus hired her and she left after Cyrus was taken by Giratina and presumed dead (so he couldn't pay her further) and now Ghetsis hired Sird the same way. Okay if Sird really is some sort of agent who just does the orders of those who pay her, then she would be able to survive long and at the end of the manga series, she is the big bad final villain after having helped all villainous teams known to man and all the Dexholders gather to eliminate her. Okay, I'll just stick to the theory that Sird is an agent from here on until proven otherwise.
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If the writers were smart, they would make her like Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes. The big difference being that she is a woman and that she likes to get directly involved in certain operations she is funding.
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I'm not too sure about that. So far in her several appearances, she was directly involved in only one instance which was in FRLG. In all her other appearances so far, she had someone else do the dirty work for her like Guile and the Cloaked Grunt. It's probably because of her injured leg, though, that we never see Sird do her work herself these days.
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Sometime i find Sird not to be too great . If she has time to involve in all villain team then why would she not find a way to cure Lorelei's ice ? Sabrina and Red cure their injures after 1 year in Silver Mountain . How can she , in those 3-4 years , not have any information about the hot spring or any way to cure the ice attack .
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So Sird didn't appear in HGSS after all. I would have thought she would have appeared, but given the timeline of HGSS I see why she didn't. But really, are we really going to see Sird in gen 5? You gotta admit, that's pretty funny if she did. I stand by what I said last year about Sird being long overdue, so where she'll appear and what she shall do is up in the air. Her no-show in Platinum was disappointing though. I still think that was the correct time to finish her off. Sird will be a old woman when they do finally put her to justice.
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So you mean that Saque could be a mercenary. That's possible or she's just using those teams to fulfill her solo plan. I just think if Kusaka let's the Unova dexowners are the ones to kill her off forever, then he'll lose all the admiration I had for him. She's been involved with almost every gen. So it's also appropriated if they all kill her off together.
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Yes so that's why if there's a Dexholder reunion in PWT in BW2 then that would be the perfect place for her to be finished off.
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He most likely has other writers helping him or he has a story editor. It wouldn't be that much of a leap of logic to assume that.
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She was busy evading Mewtwo?
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