Next Pokemon Thread VI: Unova Evolution/Capture/Release Speculation Arena

[Cresselia92]

I know this is a pretty ballsy thing to say, but I think Oshawott is going with Ash to the next region. Yeah, yeah, I know it's hard to believe because its never been done before but Oshawott is very popular, Gen IV advertisement or not. I wouldn't mind him going with Ash to the next region since he certainly hasn't hit his prime yet, I could totally see him pulling an Aipom.

I would accept that if it was one of those cases:

- Ash pulls a "Johto" and slowly replaces Pokemon
- Oshawott actually does something during the saga and isn't treated only as a comic relief

But I honestly find that unlikely. Otherwise, by that logic, we would still be stuck with Piplup (and we all know how popular he was and still is).

[Pokemaniac24]

I would accept that if it was one of those cases:

- Ash pulls a "Johto" and slowly replaces Pokemon
- Oshawott actually does something during the saga and isn't treated only as a comic relief

But I honestly find that unlikely. Otherwise, by that logic, we would still be stuck with Piplup (and we all know how popular he was and still is).

Why would he need to pull a Johto? If it is just Pikachu and Oshawott and they use the rotation process like they did in Unova, there is no need for him to release Pokémon or put them in training or whatever. I don't think Oshawott will stay but if he did, I don't quite understand what you mean by Ash having to pull a Johto.

[Locormus]

You may qualify it as a cameo but I don't. The girls returning is considered a guest appearance. A true cameo would be Oak, Delia, Gary, Paul or another minor character watching Ash compete in the League without a speaking role.

True.. Then it's just a matter of opinions.. I see it as a minor cameo in the opening.. But the cameo's that you listed would qualify as well..

It would be nice if Ash gave Iris a Charmander egg at the end of BW! *.* okay it's not a dragon but either way . . .

Screw the egg, I want her to get Charmeleon damnit! xD

I was thinking toxeon or scaleon(dragon)

I think Dragon, considering how Dragon-themed this generation was.. It would be good as they would still have an interesting dragon, without overdoing it like DP/BW did. We need a good Psychic/Addtypehere trio for once...

HOWEVER, if they don't do Dragon, then I definitely want to see Spectreon.. The Ghost-type, and give it an incredible ability such as Illusion. Zoroark shouldn't be the only one to have that ability, and a Ghost-type Eevee would be the perfect candidate to take it. I could see it having the same spread as Flareon/Leafeon, but with good moves and typing..

Spectreon: The Ghost Eevee
- Ability: Illusion/WonderGuard <- Lolz!
HP: 95
Att: 130/110
Def: 65
SpAtt: 60
SpDef: 65
Speed: 110/130

The first real physical sweeper of the Eeveelutions. Flareon has the Attack stat for it, but lacklustre 65 speed and a SpDef stat it doesn't need with that typing, well, it made it pretty okay in GenI, but that's history (like offensive Chansey). Leafeon is good as a physical fighter and wall and has the 95 speed stat, which makes it good, but not the physical Jolteon that the group is lacking.

Longstory short:
- Ghost Type Eevee
- Physical Jolteon aka Hit fast and hard.
- Plot twist: SpDef95 switches to HP95 and gives some buffness to the ghost.

And that's if the type won't be Dragon.. xD

[Cresselia92]

Why would he need to pull a Johto? If it is just Pikachu and Oshawott and they use the rotation process like they did in Unova, there is no need for him to release Pokémon or put them in training or whatever. I don't think Oshawott will stay but if he did, I don't quite understand what you mean by Ash having to pull a Johto.

In Johto Ash brought all his Kanto team (bar released or Oaked members) and replaced members during the course of the saga: he left Charizard and Cyndaquil replaced him, he left Squirtle and Totodile took his spot, he caught Chikorita and after some episodes Bulbasaur left too. After all the anime has to advertise the new games, so we will probably have the new starters taking most of the spotlight.

[Pokemaniac24]

In Johto Ash brought all his Kanto team (bar released or Oaked members) and replaced members during the course of the saga: he left Charizard and Cyndaquil replaced him, he left Squirtle and Totodile took his spot, he caught Chikorita and after some episodes Bulbasaur left too. After all the anime has to advertise the new games, so we will probably have the new starters taking most of the spotlight.

What are you talking about? I know what they did in Johto. But they did that because 4 of Ash's 6 slots were taken by his Kanto Pokémon. If it was just Pikachu and Oshawott, they wouldn't need to pull a Johto since they have the rotation process anyway. Ash could just catch whatever Gen 6 starters he wants.

[pokemonsquared]

Spectreon would suffer from flareon movepool syndrome lol. I mean the only physical ghost moves it could conceivably learn are shadow sneak and shadow claw.

[Cresselia92]

What are you talking about? I know what they did in Johto. But they did that because 4 of Ash's 6 slots were taken by his Kanto Pokémon. If it was just Pikachu and Oshawott, they wouldn't need to pull a Johto since they have the rotation process anyway. Ash could just catch whatever Gen 6 starters he wants.

He could, but I still find that unlikely. Ash brought Aipom because she had a Gen 4 evolution, and the same applies with Gligar, that evolved in Gliscor. So, if he brings or catches something from a past generation it will most likely have affinity with the 6th Gen. As I have already said, the anime promotes the new games.

[Pokemaniac24]

He could, but I still find that unlikely. Ash brought Aipom because she had a Gen 4 evolution, and the same applies with Gligar, that evolved in Gliscor. So, if he brings or catches something from a past generation it will most likely have affinity with the 6th Gen. As I have already said, the anime promotes the new games.

I know that but we're saying IF (I doubt he will) he brings Pikachu and Oshawott, they won't need to pull a Johto especially with the rotation process.

[Locormus]

In Johto Ash brought all his Kanto team (bar released or Oaked members) and replaced members during the course of the saga: he left Charizard and Cyndaquil replaced him, he left Squirtle and Totodile took his spot, he caught Chikorita and after some episodes Bulbasaur left too. After all the anime has to advertise the new games, so we will probably have the new starters taking most of the spotlight.

What are you talking about? Bulbasaur didn't leave until after Ash had obtained Jasmine's badge! Six badges in... o.0

Ash went to Johto with:
- Pika
- Bulba
- Squirtle
- Charizard
- Caught Heracross
- Caught Chikorita
---- Falkner: Pika, Bulba, Squirtle, Charizard, Heracross, Chikorita
- Left Charizard in the Valley
- Caught Cyndaquill
---- Bugsy: Pika, Bulba, Squirtle, Heracross, Chikorita, Cyndaquill
- Sends Heracross to Oak
- Left Squirtle with Jenny
- Caught Totodile
- Caught Noctowl
---- Whitney: Pika, Bulba, Chikorita, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
- Caught Beedrill, but releases as well
---- Morty: Pika, Bulba, Chikorita, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
---- Chuck: Pika, Bulba, Bayleef, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
---- Jasmine: Pika, Bulba, Bayleef, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
- Sends Bulbasaur to Oak
- Ash hatches Phanpy
---- Pryce: Pika, Bayleef, Cynda, Toto, Noctowl, Phanpy
---- Claire: Pika, Bayleef, Cynda, Toto, Noctowl, Phanpy, - Snorlax, Charizard.

Spectreon would suffer from flareon movepool syndrome lol. I mean the only physical ghost moves it could conceivably learn are shadow sneak and shadow claw.

Shadow Claw is a decent move.. Sure, it's not on par with Hydro Pump, or Fire Blast, or the like.. But it's decent, with nice crit rate, Shadow Sneak is Priority, which is also nice..

Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, WoW, Something coverage'ish... Fighting-type move or whatnot..

[Cresselia92]

What are you talking about? Bulbasaur didn't leave until after Ash had obtained Jasmine's badge! Six badges in... o.0

Ash went to Johto with:
- Pika
- Bulba
- Squirtle
- Charizard
- Caught Heracross
- Caught Chikorita
---- Falkner: Pika, Bulba, Squirtle, Charizard, Heracross, Chikorita
- Left Charizard in the Valley
- Caught Cyndaquill
---- Bugsy: Pika, Bulba, Squirtle, Heracross, Chikorita, Cyndaquill
- Sends Heracross to Oak
- Left Squirtle with Jenny
- Caught Totodile
- Caught Noctowl
---- Whitney: Pika, Bulba, Chikorita, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
- Caught Beedrill, but releases as well
---- Morty: Pika, Bulba, Chikorita, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
---- Chuck: Pika, Bulba, Bayleef, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
---- Jasmine: Pika, Bulba, Bayleef, Cyndaquill, Totodile, Noctowl
- Sends Bulbasaur to Oak
- Ash hatches Phanpy
---- Pryce: Pika, Bayleef, Cynda, Toto, Noctowl, Phanpy
---- Claire: Pika, Bayleef, Cynda, Toto, Noctowl, Phanpy, - Snorlax, Charizard.

What I meant to say is that at some point of the saga he left too. But I guess that the Original Series shouldn't be taken as an example, since is written differently from the successive ones, where Ash starts fresh in each region (apart of Sinnoh, where Aipom followed him).

Anyway, if there is something that BW taught us is that we're in unpredictable territories. So... anything can happen.

[Pokemaniac24]

What I meant to say is that at some point of the saga he left too. But I guess that the Original Series shouldn't be taken as an example, since is written differently from the successive ones, where Ash starts fresh in each region (apart of Sinnoh, where Aipom followed him).

Anyway, if there is something that BW taught us is that we're in unpredictable territories. So... anything can happen.

And AG got it right when they had Ash start fresh again. Bulbasaur and Squirtle weren't even used in any Gym Battles. Why were they there!?

[pokemonsquared]

And AG got it right when they had Ash start fresh again. Bulbasaur and Squirtle weren't even used in any Gym Battles. Why were they there!?

Because they sell merchandise. They also set the bar way too high for the unova "I'm too Kawaii for evolution" pair.

[Pokemaniac24]

Because they sell merchandise. They also set the bar way too high for the unova "I'm too Kawaii for evolution" pair.

I like Squirtle but I always found Bulbasaur to be overrated as a character and on occasions, as a battler.

[Joltik-Kid]

I like Squirtle but I always found Bulbasaur to be overrated as a character and on occasions, as a battler.

They both have their BS battle moments... Squirtle couldn't even survive a single Fire Spin (uber move in the anime) from Blaine's Ninetales yet could take Electric moves like there nothing from then on... even beating that girl in the league's Electabuzz (some Pikachu has never beaten)

[Squirtle_007]

They both have their BS battle moments... Squirtle couldn't even survive a single Fire Spin (uber move in the anime) from Blaine's Ninetales yet could take Electric moves like there nothing from then on... even beating that girl in the league's Electabuzz (some Pikachu has never beaten)

But Blaine trained Ninetales to beat Water types, looking at his reaction when Ash sent Squirtle, it looks like he does that all the time

[Pokemaniac24]

They both have their BS battle moments... Squirtle couldn't even survive a single Fire Spin (uber move in the anime) from Blaine's Ninetales yet could take Electric moves like there nothing from then on... even beating that girl in the league's Electabuzz (some Pikachu has never beaten)

Yeah, I agree. The fandom seems to treat the Kanto starters like gods and while Charizard had his share of impressive wins, I have never really seen Bulbasaur and Squirtle as powerhouses especially not in Kanto. I re-watched Kanto recently and both of them had their fair share of losses. So if we are comparing Kanto Bulbasaur and Squirtle with Oshawott and Snivy, I really don't see how the former 2 are way better than the latter 2 like some people are trying to say.

[Joltik-Kid]

But Blaine trained Ninetales to beat Water types, looking at his reaction when Ash sent Squirtle, it looks like he does that all the time

That Girl trained Electabuzz to deal with Water types because she's a Fire User... I don't see anything other then Blaine being a haxed gym leader

Yeah, I agree. The fandom seems to treat the Kanto starters like gods and while Charizard had his share of impressive wins, I have never really seen Bulbasaur and Squirtle as powerhouses especially not in Kanto. I re-watched Kanto recently and both of them had their fair share of losses. So if we are comparing Kanto Bulbasaur and Squirtle with Oshawott and Snivy, I really don't see how the former 2 are way better than the latter 2 like some people are trying to say.

Squirtle's only biggest win was the mainly off-screen battle with Nidorino in the Indigo League... says a lot about it's power back then. Best thing now is it beat Brandon's lowly Ninjask... at least Bulbasaur beat Dusclops and tied with Solrock

[CyberCubed]

The Kanto starters were treated as gods because they starred in the Johto league over the actual Johto team, and were then used against Brandon who was Ash's biggest challenge to date at the time. Not to mention Charizard itself gets constant comebacks against powerful pokemon.

It wasn't until Sceptile and Infernape became fully evolved that Ash's Kanto pokemon stopped being viewed as the best.

[Joltik-Kid]

It wasn't until Sceptile and Infernape became fully evolved that Ash's Kanto pokemon stopped being viewed as the best.

Their still viewed as more powerful then those two...

[Squirtle_007]

That Girl trained Electabuzz to deal with Water types because she's a Fire User... I don't see anything other then Blaine being a haxed gym leader


Squirtle's only biggest win was the mainly off-screen battle with Nidorino in the Indigo League... says a lot about it's power back then. Best thing now is it beat Brandon's lowly Ninjask... at least Bulbasaur beat Dusclops and tied with Solrock

Almost every Gym Leader that doesn´t travel with Ash or faces him is "haxed", Crasher Wake showed how boring would be to see Ash sweeping a gym without losing a single Pokémon.

Squirtle´s biggest League win was against Electabuzz and Quilava in Johto, that Nidorino match hardly counts