Next Pokemon Thread VI: Unova Evolution/Capture/Release Speculation Arena

[i2i]

[QUOTE=spikyearedpichu;14907735]

What? Dragonite appears to be listening to Iris against Ash, and I doubt Ash is catching a Hydreigon.

I don't want Ash to catch it, I mean that Hydreigon will not be forgotten like that, He must return to battle Dragonite again!!

I can see Hydreigon coming back and facing Dragonite again also see Iris catching more then Ash if they go that route.

[Lucario At Service]

If anyone is wondering, Axew can't use Outrage anymore. The Cynthia debut episode confirmed this. Cilan said "Axew is out of moves to help himself against Garchomp!" after Axew uses Scratch and Dragon Rage. Meaning the writers retconned or ditched Outrage from Axew's moveset. I'm think it was just a shot of adrenaline or something because that ep confirmed Axew can't use Outrage anymore, which is why I think they decided to give him Giga Impact as a replacement, which sucks because that move is already somewhat overused as it is. I'm thinking he forgot it so Ash's Krookodile could possibly learn it in the future.

I think the reason Iris didn't use Outrage anymore is because of the huge side-effect of the confusion. In the anime, the only time a move like that can be used is when one is sure that it would KO the opponent. Because if say Axew fails to KO his opponent with Outrage, its opponent would surely KO him with its next hit as Axew wouldn't be able to counter it.

If i remember the same happened with May's Bulbasaur when it used Petal Dance, but that was only when it over used that move.

This is also the reason why they gave Axew Giga Impact was so that it gets a much powerful attack without any draw backs (in the anime the move doesn't tire out the user like in the games) and can be used repeatedly.

I can see Hydreigon coming back and facing Dragonite again also see Iris catching more then Ash if they go that route.

What? You want Iris to get another extremely powerful fully evolved pokemon.

[TheBattleFrontierAsh1]

[QUOTE=i2i;14907855]

I can see Hydreigon coming back and facing Dragonite again also see Iris catching more then Ash if they go that route.

Giving Iris a Dragonite is already a lot, Hydreigon would be just to much.

[DMerle]

I can see Hydreigon coming back and facing Dragonite again also see Iris catching more then Ash if they go that route.

Another pseudo-legendary fully evolved capture would be too much.

[Zariful]

Judging by the scene of Krookodile and Dragonite's battle Outrage is the least likely option at this point . We would have seen it confused

[Shraeder]

i2i didn't say he thought Iris would catch it, he just said that he thought it would come back and face Dragonite. But the idea of Iris catching more than Ash is ludicrous, unless that was a typo.

[Locormus]

I think the reason Iris didn't use Outrage anymore is because of the huge side-effect of the confusion. In the anime, the only time a move like that can be used is when one is sure that it would KO the opponent. Because if say Axew fails to KO his opponent with Outrage, its opponent would surely KO him with its next hit as Axew wouldn't be able to counter it.

If i remember the same happened with May's Bulbasaur when it used Petal Dance, but that was only when it over used that move.

This is also the reason why they gave Axew Giga Impact was so that it gets a much powerful attack without any draw backs (in the anime the move doesn't tire out the user like in the games) and can be used repeatedly.

What? You want Iris to get another extremely powerful fully evolved pokemon.

Isn't it just like Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon though? Torterra and Empoleon couldn't move after using them.

Judging by the scene of Krookodile and Dragonite's battle Outrage is the least likely option at this point . We would have seen it confused

Have we seen actual footage of Krookodile already, or are you referring to the manga?

[★ Mr. Mime ★]

Why do people think that the same Hydreigon is going to make a return?

All it did was battle Dragonite at the beginning of the episode and that was it. It's ridiculous that people think just because it injured it that someone will catch it and it will have a long standing rivalry with Dragonite. It's not like it's brought up in Dragonite's memories like Haxorus is for Excadrill. I highly doubt any type of rivalry will be built out of their short lived battle and I don't think we'll be seeing the same Hydreigon again.

[Master of Fire]

what if ash catchs that hydriogeon :O i'd loved to see that

[Lucario At Service]

Isn't it just like Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon though? Torterra and Empoleon couldn't move after using them.

As far as i remember, only Frenzy Plant caused the problem for user after using it (example, that filler guy's Venusaur back in AG and Paul's Torterra in DP).

As for Hydro Cannon, well Barry's Empoleon used to use it non stop without getting tired.

Similar thing happens with Overheat and Leaf Storm in the anime as well.

Overheat is only known to lose power with each usage (as against the game where the move causes stat drop), while the user is still able to perfectly use other moves (example, Ash's Torkoal and Charizard).

Whereas Leaf Storm doesn't cause any problem like that (example, Paul's and Ash's Torterra and Ash's Snivy).

[Cresselia92]

Giga Impact has its draw backs. The user can't move for a while (a reason for which Ash's Gliscor use its gliding techniques to distance itself from the opponent). But for some reasons a lot of Pokémon can spam Hyper Beam and Leaf Storm without side effects. Plot conveniences?

[jrizza88]

Giga Impact has its draw backs. The user can't move for a while (a reason for which Ash's Gliscor use its gliding techniques to distance itself from the opponent). But for some reasons a lot of Pokémon can spam Hyper Beam and Leaf Storm without side effects. Plot conveniences?

I agree! I noticed the Hyper Beam thing when Ash fought Roxie. That is what really annoyed me with how DEM that battle was in a sense. They should have let Palpitoad get one hit in from that advantage instead of having the poor thing get hammered.

[Rohanator]

Giga Impact has its draw backs. The user can't move for a while (a reason for which Ash's Gliscor use its gliding techniques to distance itself from the opponent). But for some reasons a lot of Pokémon can spam Hyper Beam and Leaf Storm without side effects. Plot conveniences?

They seem to treat some moves differently depending on the series. I believe that Giga Impact and Hyper Beam always had the recharge effect in DP, but in BW they've never had it.

Anyway, what's the general opinion on Ash's Palpitoad regarding evolution? Personally I see absolutely no reason to NOT evolve him especially since it'd be a handy way of adding a fourth move into his arsenal. Also every other reserve he has (unless you count Scraggy) is confirmed to be evolving fully except Boldore who needs to be traded. The new opening's pretty much the only thing that holds Seismitoad back imo.

[Lucario At Service]

Giga Impact has its draw backs. The user can't move for a while (a reason for which Ash's Gliscor use its gliding techniques to distance itself from the opponent). But for some reasons a lot of Pokémon can spam Hyper Beam and Leaf Storm without side effects. Plot conveniences?

Wasn't that problem with Ash's Gliscor only an early-on learning stage problem. Also the reason it was like that was because Gliscor was not a good flyer early on so it wasn't that good in aerial battles had difficultly escaping a counter from its opponents.

Also i have seen a lot of other pokemons use Giga Impact in the anime (BW series as well) without any drawbacks like Lenora's Herdier or those few wild Aerodactyl's back in DP or that guy's Simisage back in Donamite.

[Cresselia92]

The only explanation that come in my mind about that is that the stronger and more "battle fit" the Pokémon is, the less time it needs to recover from the move. And no, Gliscor still had the side effect during the battle against Paul. It's explicitally said that it used its gliding technique (learned from the Air Master) to avoid any assaults after using Giga Impact (since he couldn't move).

So… I expect to see Axew suffering from the GI draw back (since he still has medium battling skills) and overcoming it during the series progression.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

[QUOTE=spikyearedpichu;14907735]

What? Dragonite appears to be listening to Iris against Ash, and I doubt Ash is catching a Hydreigon.

I don't want Ash to catch it, I mean that Hydreigon will not be forgotten like that, He must return to battle Dragonite again!!

Dragonite was the one that attacked Hydreigon because he wanted a strong oponent to compete, Hydreigon has no reason to come back, he was attacked, gave a asswhopin(well not exactly Dragonite was protecting the small birds) and left.

[spikyearedpichu]

[QUOTE=Pepsi_Plunge;14909018]

Dragonite was the one that attacked Hydreigon because he wanted a strong oponent to compete, Hydreigon has no reason to come back, he was attacked, gave a asswhopin(well not exactly Dragonite was protecting the small birds) and left.

I din't know this!! Dragonite was the one that pick up the fight, but we never see the outcome!! He can still have a thing for Hydreigon species like Meowth and persian!!

[Pepsi_Plunge]

[QUOTE=spikyearedpichu;14909073]

I din't know this!! Dragonite was the one that pick up the fight, but we never see the outcome!! He can still have a thing for Hydreigon species like Meowth and persian!!

It was said in the episode that Dragonite was challenging strong oponets latelly and causing some ruckus, so Hydreigon wasn't his first challenge.

[★ Mr. Mime ★]

Anyway, what's the general opinion on Ash's Palpitoad regarding evolution? Personally I see absolutely no reason to NOT evolve him especially since it'd be a handy way of adding a fourth move into his arsenal. Also every other reserve he has (unless you count Scraggy) is confirmed to be evolving fully except Boldore who needs to be traded. The new opening's pretty much the only thing that holds Seismitoad back imo.

I think Seismitoad is very possible.

If we have a good gap between now and the League, I can definitely see Palpitoad evolving at some point.

[JD]

I haven't posted a prediction in a while now so I'll go a head and do it.

Ash

Pikachu: You don't say?
Unfezant: Not much to say about this one. I think she could use a new move or two since her current moveset is kind of bland Heat Wave would be nice or Sky Attack.
Servine: Snivy really doesn't have much of a reason not to evolve. She doesn't really appear that much so maybe evolution could change that if she evolves I could see it happening against Trip or maybe during Ash's battle with Marlon if he battles him.
Pignite: I'd actually be quite happy if Pignite stays as it is. We've seen Emboar a few times so far and it's kind of boring.. Pignite has shown that it's pretty strong as it is and pretty fast at that so it's pretty balanced. If it evolves into Emboar I just hope it doesn't get the Torterra treatment.
Oshawott: Unfortunately I can't see this guy evolving. It seems like he achieved mascot status and because of that the writers are going to shove him in our faces as much as they can.
Krookodile: Confirmed to evolve against Dragonite. Krookodile got a lot of new moves via the Black Version 2 and White Version 2 move tutor so maybe he'll learn one of those moves I'd like him to learn Dragon Pulse or Super Power. Other then that maybe he can develop a rivalry with Dragonite.
Scraggy: If Axew evolves Scraggy might as well evolve too. If he learns a new move Dark Pulse would be good for him so he could finally get a dark type move. And maybe he could get Head Smash instead of Headbutt or Iron Head.
Leavanny: Not much to say about this one.. he could use some new moves though Electro Web would definitely be interesting it replace String Shot he should get X-Scissor as well.
Boldore: Not much to say about this one either.. I hope he evolves though Ash hasn't had a trade evolution yet so Boldore to Gigalith would be a nice start for him.
Palpitoad: I really think he needs to evolve.. but he appears so seldom I really can't see it happening if he evolves it should be before the league though.
Espeon: Ash's final capture before the Unova League. As an Eevee it would be a very affectionate and playful Pokemon as an Espeon it would keep that same personality but it would be sort of vain as well. He/She would evolve before the Unova League during a training battle or something like that giving him his first psychic type Pokemon.

Pikachu: Iron Tail, Quick Attack, Electro Ball, Thunderbolt
Unfezant: Wing Attack,Heat Wave/Gust, Aerial Ace, Sky Attack
Servine: Attract, Grass Pledge, Vine Whip, Aqua Tail
Pignite: Flame Charge, Flamethrower, Fire Pledge, Superpower
Oshawott: Hydro Pump, Aqua Jet, Razor Shell, Blizzard
Krookodile: Stone Edge, Dragon Pulse, Crunch,Earth Power
Leavanny: Energy Ball, Electro Web, X-Scissor, Razor Leaf
Scraggy: Dark Pulse, High Jump Kick, Head Smash, Focus Blast
Palpitoad: Mud Shot, Hydro Pump, Supersonic, Icy Wind
Boldore: Rock Blast, Sandstorm, Flash Cannon, Rock Smash
Espeon: Psybeam, Zen Headbutt, Shadow Ball, Swift